number rules?
Posted By: c-hav on 2007-01-05
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Subject: number rules?
Two of my teachers taught different number rules. One, said that they should almost always be numeral form. The other said that numbers are usually spelled out.
I believe the Book of Style says numerals are usually appropriate, accept for zero, at the beginning of a sentence, drug admin. abrev's., etc..
Anyone? Numerals right? With acceptions? I'm just starting.
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Regarding AAMT rules
Subject: Regarding AAMT rules
I go with my client preference, and when I began working his account, the sample reports did not use BOS rules. I only use numerals to express drug dosage, measurements, dates, etc. I also agree with you on the appearance of it.
I do agree with you, but it seems none of the rules fit this..
Subject: I do agree with you, but it seems none of the rules fit this..
BOS says if you can put "and" between the adjectives then use a comma, which in this case you really can't until btwn telangiectatic and vascular. Just always second guessing myself.
Thank you!!!!
IF you are to follow BOS rules...sm
Subject: IF you are to follow BOS rules...sm
The patient has Alzheimer disease.
She has Alzheimer's.
Don't use the apostrophe S when 'disease' follows.
But, that is the BOS rule. Your client and/or company may prefer it's own rule.
Format rules in MT
Okay, I am an old gal working mostly ias in-hospital MT (VA, Teaching hospital), but I did also work off and on for MTSOs at home. Now going back a long time, I was always taught that in formatting Problem Lists or Hospital Course by problem list you transcribe it this way. Problem #1 - HYPERTENSION. The patient is taking lisinopril currently..... or if the doc did not say PROBLEM #1, then you transcribed it 1. HYPERTENSION. Blah, blah, blah. When did this change and become wrong? Most of the docs I am now transcribing for one of the major MTSOs now (left the hospital), actually ask that we capitalize the major problem. Is this in the so-called AHDI BOS2?
IMHO, using the capitalization on the problem is much easier to read, than this...
1. Hypertension. The blah, blah, blah..
2. Diabetes mellitus type 2. Uncontrolled. Not compliant.
Any QAers out there can answer this one for this old school nitpicker?
Well, CLIENT PREFERENCE rules.....sm
Subject: Well, CLIENT PREFERENCE rules.....sm
Always, always it's client preference. I was just speaking in a BOS/AAMT ruling about numbers. Client preference most definitely IS the bottom line. 
Help, I can't remember the hyphen rules.
Is there a hyphen with non-radiating and non-icteric, or all one word, or separated? Thanks. I'm an old dog and I don't want to learn new tricks.
Rules for tense in a report?
I always thought it was past tense. I have a doc who started the first 2 sentences using past tense and then suddenly switched to present test. IV sedation IS administered, Patient IS positioned. Do you change present to past or type as is? Nothing in the CP about it.
Rules here per admin is No Testing..sm
Subject: Rules here per admin is No Testing..sm
hope you have a happy happy new year and good luck in your studies/testing
thanks....lots of rules with numbers!
Subject: thanks....lots of rules with numbers!
Rules change over the years
Subject: Rules change over the years
but some rules are that way just because it sounds right. 5 centimeters were injected just sounds ignorant and I don't care who you are, as Larry the Cable Guy would say. ;-)
If your account doesn't have specific rules about it, sm
the correct way would be to write it out in full (Escherichia coli) whether or not it was dictated in full. Then, if the dictator says E. coli after that, then it is correct to transcribe it that way. If the dictator says it in full the next time, then transcribe it in full. Check your account's guidelines for their preference.
ALS is correct per AAMT rules. See cite.
I don't care whether the BOS is right or wrong on the issue. I have to use it and so do others. Here's what it says.
As per AAMT BOS 2nd edition page 189: Always capitalize genus names and their abbreviated forms when accompanied by species name. Lowercase genus names used in plural and adjectival forms and when used in the vernacular; for example, when they stand alone without a species name.
as poster above stated, I was going with BOS rules...relax! :) nm
Subject: as poster above stated, I was going with BOS rules...relax! :) nm
I think just the normal rules of English would apply
Subject: I think just the normal rules of English would apply
Whenever adding *ing* to a word that ends in t, you add an extra t.
A couple of grammar rules are at play here
Subject: A couple of grammar rules are at play here
First of all, both got and gotten are correct forms of the verb get. However, got is a past tense or past participle depending on whether or not the word "has" or "have" is used in front of it. Gotten, however, is past participle and should be used with the word "has" or "have" in front of it.
It has gotten increasingly larger - okay. It gotten increasingly larger - not okay. It got increasingly larger - okay. It has got increasingly larger - okay.
So if your doc says it anyway but "It gotten increasingly larger", he is correct. It's simply a matter of preference. Brits don't generally use the word "gotten", and therefore, a lot of people think it is not a legitimate word, but it is.
Time format rules in BOS 3rd edition?
Can anyone tell me what the specific rules are for time format in the new BOS on pages 337-339. A brief description would be great or u can scan and email it to me too, whichever is easier.
I do intend to buy my own soon but I have to wait till payday and I'm starting a new company right now that uses that book :(
TIA !
Ringer. AAMT BOS2 rules on eponyms.
Subject: Ringer. AAMT BOS2 rules on eponyms.
I believe that is only if the company is compliant with JCHO rules. Not all companies are.
Subject: I believe that is only if the company is compliant with JCHO rules. Not all companies are.
By AAMT rules, need help with period with drug values. (sm)
Subject: By AAMT rules, need help with period with drug values. (sm)
Is this right?
1 gm
0.1 mg
1 mg
I was taught that it was 1.0 mg but doc wants it to be just 1 mg and 1 gm.
Help. Thanks.
It is not 'erroneous', only add to the AAMT rules, which change every year!
Subject: It is not 'erroneous', only add to the AAMT rules, which change every year!
To say that the plural form decubiti for the singular of decubitus is
'erroneous' is plain BS !
And it is known that the AAMT, now it has another name, 'makes up' its own grammar rules for the MTing.
This issue has been discussed numerous times on this board and causes a lot of confusion for the MTs and arguments between MTs, QAs and the clients.
EVERY year the BOS rules are changed. We just got used to the BOS 2 and in December 08 the BOS 3 was issued, again with new rules to adhere. The price is around $ 90.--.
I use the number 0....
Subject: I use the number 0....
number help
Subject: number help
She had two or three episodes of this two days ago and then probably six to eight episodes yesterday, and then one or two episodes this morning.
Wouldn't they all be spelled out or would "episodes be considered a technical term"?
or some other number value?
Subject: or some other number value?
n/m
I would definitely number them
Subject: I would definitely number them
/
Not any more. One of a number of changes
Subject: Not any more. One of a number of changes
x
AIc (its actually the letter "I" not the number ŕ"
Subject: AIc (its actually the letter "I" not the number ŕ"
/
sorry, i meant not the number ŕ"
Subject: sorry, i meant not the number ŕ"
/
Number readings ?
Subject: Number readings ?
Thanks for replying so fast. Actually, my question was on the J point elevation s/l "1 and ?" Kind of sounded like 1 and the letter "o", but doesn't make sense. Didn't know if maybe he was speaking of a certain lead, but doesn't sound close to anything. Thanks so much for your time!!!! :-)
Thank you - that was suppose to be a number one, but
Subject: Thank you - that was suppose to be a number one, but
'several' isn't a number
Subject: 'several' isn't a number
'Several' isn't a number, is it? I don't think it is. To me, the sentence looks odd with the abbreviation following the word 'several.'
Maybe 'several' is a number
Subject: Maybe 'several' is a number
In this case, I just think of a number as being something like 1-1000 (or to infinity and beyond!), and maybe I just sound like I want to be correct on this. I wonder if I'm confusing a former employers rules/guidelines with the BOS. Who knows? 
BOS II says q.4 h., space after the number(s) now. nm
Subject: BOS II says q.4 h., space after the number(s) now. nm
I put the number sign... nm
Subject: I put the number sign... nm
use number 0, not the letter O.....
Subject: use number 0, not the letter O.....
Leave it as a number. nm
Subject: Leave it as a number. nm
:)
Hmmm, I can think of a number of
Subject: Hmmm, I can think of a number of
things, but nothing like your s/l. Usually the doctor will address any occupational exposure such as asbestos or silica, noxious fumes, etc. which may be encountered in a factory or manufacturing environment. Could you maybe tweak your s/l a little?
I would say to do it just the way you did with the exception that I would use the number 8 for the p
Subject: I would say to do it just the way you did with the exception that I would use the number 8 for the passes and not type out the number.
New Doc---number mixups
Subject: New Doc---number mixups
Why is it so hard for me to hear whether she is saying "245" or "345"? Also with "186" or "196." This is driving me nuts. I can't figure out which one she is saying. Does this happen to anyone else?
The space is after the number is a relatively new
Subject: The space is after the number is a relatively new
thing. If you are an employee, you should check with your supervisor to see if your company follows the BOS guidelines (most do). If you have your own accounts, you might want to consider employing the BOS guidelines.
Per BOS: "We have inserted a space after the numeral 4 in q.4 h. on the advice of the ISMP so that the number is more easily and clearly read."
Note: ISMP stands for Institute for Safe Medicine Practices.
Number Usage
I have spelled out numbers lower than 10 for 30 years, until now that is. The QA personnel for the company I just started working for keep changing the spelled out word to a number (no matter where it is in the report and how it is used). Example: He has been having problems over the last six months (they changed to 6 months). This goes against everything I ever learned in 12 years of Catholic schools. Ugh! Is this according to the AAMT guidelines or is it there way of saving a penny here and there?
number format
Subject: number format
When transcribing a very large number, "1 million 120 thousand" is it considered more acceptable to use words or just to stick to numbers?
how would you type when dr says number 1? sm
Subject: how would you type when dr says number 1? sm
TREATMENT/PLAN: I would like to have Dr. _________ look at him #1 to see if he feels like he would be a candidate for revision arthroplasty and if he feels so than I would prefer him to go ahead with the procedure.
Per BOS, all number are typed in
Subject: Per BOS, all number are typed in
number form, ordinals and numbers, unless the first word in a sentence.
At my MTSO, we do not number if only one
Subject: At my MTSO, we do not number if only one
in list, even if doctor says #1 and then nothing else. Same holds true for
1.
a.
b.
We do not use the "a" if there is no "b" to follow it.
Normally, you don't number diagnoses
Subject: Normally, you don't number diagnoses
within an axis. We do this.
Axis I: xxxxx
xxxxxx
Axis II: xxxxx
etc. Each diagnosis is on a separate line, but not numbered.
number confusion
Subject: number confusion
I am confused as to how to type out numerals with fractions included such as 1 1/2 or one and a half. Ex. In the sentence ... The patient was involved in an altercation about 1 ½ years ago and sustained a stab wound to the proximal left forearm. Would it be typed 1 1/2 or use one and a half. Also in the sentence ... Alcohol: One to one and a half bottles of port wine per day. How would that be typed out .. I know you can't start a sentence with a numeral so it has to start with one .. but would you type One - 1 /2 or one to one and a half. Sooo confusing for me. Please help. Thanks.
Probably the room number.
Subject: Probably the room number.
I have had them say a high number of
Subject: I have had them say a high number of
O2 per minute before. It is probably correct.
Yes. It is a computation of packs per day x number of
Subject: Yes. It is a computation of packs per day x number of
!
Why do we have to authenicate our posts now with a number???
Subject: Why do we have to authenicate our posts now with a number???
????
crazy number question
Subject: crazy number question
The company I work for does not want us to use numbers and numbers should never be used at the beginning of a sentence, but does anyone know the AAMT-true style that this should be transcribed? I know this is a crazy question, but for some reason, I can't seem to categorize it.
Example:
"School grade: 5th.
Members in family: 5. " OR
"School Grade: Fifth.
Members in family: Five."
I am thinking the second, but then again, I am not thinking. :-) 
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