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I have done transcription for about forty years. It has always been neural foramen or foramina and

Posted By: pc on 2007-07-24
In Reply to: Neuroforaminal versus neural foraminal (warning: rant ahead) - Rad MT

Subject: I have done transcription for about forty years. It has always been neural foramen or foramina and

NOT NEUROFORAMINAL.


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Subject: neural foramina

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Subject: neural foramina

Correct way is neural foramina (pleural) and neural foramen (singular)
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It's neural foramina.  And "pleural" is only spelled this way if it means the thorax or chest cavity.  That was probably just a typo in your original message and you meant to type "plural," meaning more than one.  I've been a Texas state-certified court reporter and national-certified court reporter for 25 years.  The proper terms are "neural foramina," (that is the plural form) and "neural foramen" (that is the singular form) although you will see them misspelled as neuroforamina all the time.
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Subject: Neuroforamina vs neural foramina

We're having a "discussion" here. Can someone tell me what is the preferred?

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Subject: Neuroforamina vs neural foramina

I understand that one is singular and the other is pleural. The MTs in the hospital where I now work are telling me that it's okay to type "neuroforamina" and I was told that is incorrect -- that it should be "neural foramina." I suppose it should be the same as for the singular form, but we just need some confirmation or judgment as to which is now the preferred way to type this. I know that 30+ years ago, I was told that neuroforamen *and* neuroforamina were okay. I don't believe tha anymore and do believe that neural foramina is the correct way to type it. Anyone with a definite on this? Thanks -- Karen
i typed neural foramina for 30
Subject: i typed neural foramina for 30

years and just got a radiologist who wants it neuroforaminal. Guess it just depends who reads it.
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Subject: pleural of neural foramina?

is it neural foraminae?? this doc is saying, The Kerrison was used to open up the neural foraminas?? bilaterally.


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Subject: Neuroforamina vs Neural foramina

Neuroforamina is German term/phrase and Neural foramina is English term/phrase


otherwise one is pleural and another is singular.


 


 


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Subject: neural foramina/neuroforamina

Wow!  The site really messed up my posted message.  Anyone know why it jammed all the words together and took some words out?  The original message that I typed and can still view is correct.  This is my first post, so am I just doing something wrong?  Thanks for your help, if you can.
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Subject: neural foramen - per Dorland's Med dictionary NM

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Subject: probably palpable bulging discs. It's neural foramina, not neuroforamina nm

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After doing radiology for centuries :), I was told it is always neural foramen (two words). SM
Subject: After doing radiology for centuries :), I was told it is always neural foramen (two words). SM

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Subject: I learned 27 years ago to use q.4h. (no spaces), past few years q.4 h. (see msg)

Now some are saying it's q. 4h.??  UGH, YUCK!!  I have also worked on accounts where it had to be "every 4 hours," and we had to spell out p.r.n. (as needed for).  At least we got more characters. 


First rule:  It is all what the "client/account" wants, not always what the BOS says it is.  I realize that language and its usage is constantly changing, but I've seen so many BOS and client flip-flops on so many other things in nearly 3 decades that it's laughable.  What isn't laughable is when we get penalized for not knowing what they want, even when they, themselves, don't know or are wrong.


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Subject: Wow, thank you. Just years, years and more years of experience

and a constant thirst for learning something new everyday. As we all know this can get to be somewhat boring, but learning from what I transcribe as well as from other transcriptionists keeps me going (money is not bad either). It becomes a challenge. But I can't thank you enough for the kind words.

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