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A couple of grammar rules are at play here

Posted By: mtroadie on 2008-07-24
In Reply to: Gotten versus changing to got - ShirleyGergel

Subject: A couple of grammar rules are at play here

First of all, both got and gotten are correct forms of the verb get.  However, got is a past tense or past participle depending on whether or not the word "has" or "have" is used in front of it.  Gotten, however, is past participle and should be used with the word "has" or "have" in front of it.


It has gotten increasingly larger - okay.  It gotten increasingly larger - not okay.  It got increasingly larger - okay.  It has got increasingly larger - okay.


So if your doc says it anyway but "It gotten increasingly larger", he is correct.  It's simply a matter of preference.  Brits don't generally use the word "gotten", and therefore, a lot of people think it is not a legitimate word, but it is.




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Just play along with your QA....
Subject: Just play along with your QA....

Save the report with their correction.  If you get that phrase again use it like they told you to, and if they ding you for doing it the way they said, you at least have proof and were "just doin' what ya told me to do." 


It's hard to do but just play along, shrug it off, and move on. 



play is correct
Subject: play is correct

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the answer is "pain", not play. nm
Subject: the answer is "pain", not play. nm


Regarding AAMT rules
Subject: Regarding AAMT rules

I go with my client preference, and when I began working his account, the sample reports did not use BOS rules. I only use numerals to express drug dosage, measurements, dates, etc. I also agree with you on the appearance of it.
number rules?
Subject: number rules?

Two of my teachers taught different number rules. One, said that they should almost always be numeral form. The other said that numbers are usually spelled out.
I believe the Book of Style says numerals are usually appropriate, accept for zero, at the beginning of a sentence, drug admin. abrev's., etc..
Anyone? Numerals right? With acceptions? I'm just starting.
I do agree with you, but it seems none of the rules fit this..
Subject: I do agree with you, but it seems none of the rules fit this..

BOS says if you can put "and" between the adjectives then use a comma, which in this case you really can't until btwn telangiectatic and vascular.  Just always second guessing myself. 


 


Thank you!!!!


IF you are to follow BOS rules...sm
Subject: IF you are to follow BOS rules...sm

The patient has Alzheimer disease.
She has Alzheimer's.

Don't use the apostrophe S when 'disease' follows.
But, that is the BOS rule. Your client and/or company may prefer it's own rule.

Format rules in MT

Okay, I am an old gal working mostly ias in-hospital MT (VA, Teaching hospital), but I did also work off and on for MTSOs at home.   Now going back a long time, I was always taught that in formatting Problem Lists or Hospital Course by problem list you transcribe it this way.   Problem #1 - HYPERTENSION.  The patient is taking lisinopril currently.....  or if the doc did not say PROBLEM #1, then you transcribed it 1.  HYPERTENSION.  Blah, blah, blah.   When did this change and become wrong?  Most of the docs I am now transcribing for one of the major MTSOs now (left the hospital), actually ask that we capitalize the major problem.  Is this in the so-called AHDI BOS2? 


IMHO, using the capitalization on the problem is much easier to read, than this...


1.  Hypertension.  The blah, blah, blah..


2.  Diabetes mellitus type 2.  Uncontrolled.  Not compliant.


Any QAers out there can answer this one for this old school nitpicker?


Well, CLIENT PREFERENCE rules.....sm
Subject: Well, CLIENT PREFERENCE rules.....sm

Always, always it's client preference.  I was just speaking in a BOS/AAMT ruling about numbers.  Client preference most definitely IS the bottom line. 
Help, I can't remember the hyphen rules.
Is there a hyphen with non-radiating and non-icteric, or all one word, or separated?  Thanks.  I'm an old dog and I don't want to learn new tricks. 
Rules for tense in a report?
I always thought it was past tense.  I have a doc who started the first 2 sentences using past tense and then suddenly switched to present test.  IV sedation IS administered, Patient IS positioned.  Do you change present to past or type as is?  Nothing in the CP about it.
Rules here per admin is No Testing..sm
Subject: Rules here per admin is No Testing..sm

hope you have a happy happy new year and good luck in your studies/testing 
thanks....lots of rules with numbers!
Subject: thanks....lots of rules with numbers!


Rules change over the years
Subject: Rules change over the years

but some rules are that way just because it sounds right. 5 centimeters were injected just sounds ignorant and I don't care who you are, as Larry the Cable Guy would say. ;-)
If your account doesn't have specific rules about it, sm

the correct way would be to write it out in full (Escherichia coli) whether or not it was dictated in full.  Then, if the dictator says E. coli after that, then it is correct to transcribe it that way.  If the dictator says it in full the next time, then transcribe it in full.  Check your account's guidelines for their preference. 


ALS is correct per AAMT rules. See cite.
I don't care whether the BOS is right or wrong on the issue. I have to use it and so do others. Here's what it says.

As per AAMT BOS 2nd edition page 189: Always capitalize genus names and their abbreviated forms when accompanied by species name. Lowercase genus names used in plural and adjectival forms and when used in the vernacular; for example, when they stand alone without a species name.
as poster above stated, I was going with BOS rules...relax! :) nm
Subject: as poster above stated, I was going with BOS rules...relax! :) nm


I think just the normal rules of English would apply
Subject: I think just the normal rules of English would apply

Whenever adding *ing* to a word that ends in t, you add an extra t.
Time format rules in BOS 3rd edition?
Can anyone tell me what the specific rules are for time format in the new BOS on pages 337-339. A brief description would be great or u can scan and email it to me too, whichever is easier.

I do intend to buy my own soon but I have to wait till payday and I'm starting a new company right now that uses that book :(

TIA !
Ringer. AAMT BOS2 rules on eponyms.
Subject: Ringer. AAMT BOS2 rules on eponyms.


I believe that is only if the company is compliant with JCHO rules. Not all companies are.
Subject: I believe that is only if the company is compliant with JCHO rules. Not all companies are.


By AAMT rules, need help with period with drug values. (sm)
Subject: By AAMT rules, need help with period with drug values. (sm)

Is this right?


1 gm


0.1 mg


1 mg


 


I was taught that it was 1.0 mg but doc wants it to be just 1 mg and 1 gm.


 


Help.  Thanks.


It is not 'erroneous', only add to the AAMT rules, which change every year!
Subject: It is not 'erroneous', only add to the AAMT rules, which change every year!

To say that the plural form decubiti for the singular of decubitus is
'erroneous' is plain BS !

And it is known that the AAMT, now it has another name, 'makes up' its own grammar rules for the MTing.

This issue has been discussed numerous times on this board and causes a lot of confusion for the MTs and arguments between MTs, QAs and the clients.

EVERY year the BOS rules are changed. We just got used to the BOS 2 and in December 08 the BOS 3 was issued, again with new rules to adhere. The price is around $ 90.--.


There are a couple...sm
Subject: There are a couple...sm

Here is a great site with a couple of choices that sound like your term.

http://www.suffolkobgyn.com/medicalTerms#G
a couple T's
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tap water enema
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A couple more....
Subject: A couple more....

he went on to have an aortic valve replacement with a "number tommy five" bioprosthetic valve as well as bypass "sinus tree" vessels


pseudo normal LV filling pressure with "chronkomittent" abnormal relaxation


Patient is New York Heart Association class III in the setting of ischemic cardiomyopathy and "he feels" compensated


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THANKS!


 


I too would like to know a couple of shortcuts..
Subject: I too would like to know a couple of shortcuts..

such as, I end each letter from my doc with "Thank you for the referral of the patient." Sincerely, John R. Brown, MD JEB/trh. I know there must be a way to store this so that all I have to do is strike 1 key to end my letters, but I don't knave a clue how to do this. Anyone have any suggetstions? Thanks

Couple of lab questions... sm
Subject: Couple of lab questions... sm

Can't catch what Mr. Mush-mouth is saying. 


Postoperative serial white blood cell count demonstrated a stable white blood cell count at 11,900.  s/l *hemansa* hemoglobin stable at 28.9 and 9.4. 


a couple of thoughts
Subject: a couple of thoughts

First to address the issue of subcu - Joint Commission created a list several years ago that deals with this wording - and JC trumps BOS.  From Joint Commissions List of Dangerous Abbreviations:


Abbreviation: S.C. or S.Q. (for subcutaneous)


Potential Problem:  Mistaken as SL for sublingual, or "5 every"


Preferred Term:  Write "Sub-Q", "subQ", or "subcutaneously"


As far as what the man was trying to express to you was his opinion that truncated words (partial words used to express a complete word) should be avoided.  Trach is not a word.  Trachea, tracheostomy, etc., are words.  Alk is not a word.  Alkaline is a word.  There are also lab and other words that are commonly acceptable in their abbreviated form, such as INR, CPAP, MRI, etc.


There are acceptable abbreviations of certain words that are commonplace.  For example, lab is widely accepted to represent laboratory.  Exam is acceptable to represent examination.  HIV is another example.


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Your company needs to decide which side of the fence it wants to sit on, and it appears there may be some changes in your QA future.  If this man is in charge of QA and you want to continue working there, you might want to begin taking note of what he is saying.


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Subject: a couple of things......SM

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Subject: couple of possibilities (sm)

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I have a couple of docs that do this. sm
Subject: I have a couple of docs that do this. sm

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But sometimes there's a clue in what's being tested, blood or urine, and/or the diagnosis.

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If that doesn't help, the best thing would be to send on to QA. If they can't figure it out, the docs may become tired of blanks and learn to enunciate more clearly. How difficult could that be!

Sorry I can't be of more help, but maybe someone else has a foolproof way to tell.
I have a couple of docs that do this. sm
Subject: I have a couple of docs that do this. sm

The terms sound similar anyway, and if they say them a little too fast, or there's a flaw in the sound, these words sound exactly the same.

Is there a clue in the dx?

If you can slow the sound down a little, sometimes you can hear a slight difference, just enough to know it's one or the other.

If that doesn't help, the best thing would be to send on to QA. If they can't figure it out, the docs may become tired of blanks and learn to enunciate more clearly. How difficult could that be!

Sorry I can't be of more help, but maybe someone else has a foolproof way to tell.
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Subject: Have a couple of questions, please sm

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Subject: There are a couple of possibilities. Context?


Here are a couple of links for you to send them....
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Subject: Does he state 20 the first couple of days or does he give any time along with that? SM

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