you don't follow politics/economic very closely then

• Tea parties vs the million man march - Researcher
  • Like James Carvell (sp?) said, most of the people there - Hmmm
    • What does it tell you, - Mythbuster
      • That Republicans who preach the most to everyone - else can't spell?
      • I knew nothing about it at all until that very day - Hmmm
        • I rest my case. - Mythbuster
          • Guess overall just not that newsworthy. NM - Hmm
            • Said the ostrich with its head in the sand. - ctmt
            • Nah, just that 'vast left-wing conspiracy' thing - Mythbuster
    • It's Carville. - Researcher
      • Knew such smart people here could just get by with (sp?) and guess what? - Hmmm
        • I think you missed the mark again - Mythbuster
          • Meant what I put - Hmmm
        • Hey, I gave you a pass on - Researcher
          • Doing spell checking on others can get you thrown off - Hmmm
    • Yeah, those horrible signs - Researcher
    • I will give you this.... - Trigger Happy
    • Horrible signs were stating - TRUE FACTS. No message
      • This is what a hate mongers looks like - Unbelievable
        • Really? Which were the hate-monging signs - and please - be specific.
        • Strange, I did not see any of them - MTfromLA
      • Truth? You're delusional if those think those hateful . . . - sm
        • you don't follow politics/economic very closely then - no-aid drinker
        • But it was okay to portray George Bush as Hitler? - Zville MT
          • I saw the same thing with Obama, comparison to Hitler - Hmm
        • 'Rob from the rich, - Just an observer
  • Good point, good post. Thanks. - nm

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I'm getting nurrrrvous.

You seem to be off your game now that you are no longer a moderator.

I can find lots of postings. 

For the first time I took a long look at Cindy McCain and her reaction to the speeches and how she acted with everyone around her.  She is a beautiful lady and will make a very gracious first lady.  Kind of reminds me of how Jackie O was (the lady like quality.  Not frailty, but just someone that is very much the part.  What a stunning outfit she wore (I'm not into the fashion thing, but I just thought she looked very beautiful tonight).  I loved how she interacted with Sarah Palin's children.  And how cute was that of the young girl holding the baby and then licking her hand to keep the baby's hair in place.  Talk about a crack up.  All of Todd & Sarah Palin's kids are so cute.

I will be very happy with Cindy McCain as first lady & Todd Palin as "first dude?"  HA HA.  Actually I don't think they call the VP's spouse anything do they?

Click on the individual windows to get the complete plan. 

http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/jobsforamerica/

It may seem that he's acting a little early, but given the economic state of this country, I don't think that's such a bad thing.

He also has a parent-teacher meeting just before that...good for him!

the stock market is tanking again. It's down to -212. I have never seen the INDP as low as today at 7154. I think part of it is because they talked about nationalizing CitiGroup and Bank of America.

We all gonna drown. Hope you all have a life jacket.

10.   Blissful ignorance.  "The economy is not my strong suit."

 9.    Ridicule.  In an interview with the Washington Post on 07/9/2008, McCain advisor and national campaign general co-chair Senator Phil Gramm was defining McCain's plans to reform the U.S. economy.  Gramm explained the nation was not in a recession, stating, "You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," and "We have sort of become a nation of whiners, you just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline."  This would be the same Phil Gramm of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which allowed commercial and investment banks to consolidate.  The legislation allowed Swiss Bank UBS to purchase several American institutions. Gramm later became a lobbyist for UBS, collecting over 750,000 USD in fees. UBS alone issues over 18 Billion USD in subprime mortgages.  

 8.    Denial.  Black Monday, 09/15/2008.  John McCain:  "The fundamentals of our economy are still sound."  A worldwide stock market crash occurred as Lehman Brothers filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and major investment bank Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America. Dow Jones Industrial Average lost more than 500 points, which is the biggest point drop (up to that point) since September 2001.  FTSE 100 dropped 212 points, and it was the biggest one-day percentage drop since January 21, 2008. Hong Kong, Japan and Korea stock market suspended that day due to public holiday, and they fell over 5% on the following day.   Two weeks later, we had a blacker Monday (09/29/2008) with a 777.68 point drop on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

 7.    Political grandstanding.  Announcement of suspending his campaign to return to DC to "lead" Congress during economic bail-out negotiations.  This effort led to a defeat of the measure when the votes were cast.  Tried unsuccessfully to use the bailout as an excuse to postpone the presidential debate.  

 6.    Flip-Flop.  Claims to support regulation.  Record says otherwise. 

 5.    Incoherence.  Threatens to fire the chairman of the SEC if he were in office, even though the president does not have the authority to do so.   

 4.    Theft of intellectual property.  Claiming previously existing mortgage buy-out proposal as his own. 

 3.    Avoid / change the subject.  Greg Strimple, a McCain top advisor:  If we keep talking about the economy, we will lose." 

 2.    Engage the politics of division, hate, fear mongering and cultural warfare with high-gear Obama smear campaign:  Ayers, ACORN, Farrakhan, Rev Jeremiah Wright, Barack Hussein Obama, etc.      

 1.    McCain’s send message to voters is to stop whining about the economy and start focusing on attacking Obama.

and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.

How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?

DHL said it was making the cuts to improve profitability and "to prepare the company for the economic challenges ahead."

The company said this latest action would add $1.9 billion to its restructuring costs, for a total of $3.8 billion over two years, most of it during 2008. The company said the cuts would reduce the annual operating costs of DHL U.S. Express to less than $1 billion, from its current cost of $5.4 billion.

DHL is owned by the German company Deutsche Post World Net.

• The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
  
  
  
• Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
  
  
  
• Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
  
  
  
• Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
  
  
  
• The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
  
  
  
• Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
  
  
  
• Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
  
  
  
• Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
  
  
  
• The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
  
  
  
• An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
  
  
  
• Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.
  

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.

–by Joe Miller and Brooks Jackson

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

As you read the piece (see link below) in the London Times, substitute "Obama" for Brown, and "Geithner" for "Darling".  Then multiply the billions in pounds by 1.5 to change them to US dollars.  You'll think you're reading about the US plan - and the same catastrophic results, among which the worst are:

1.  A burden on future generations of unparalleled and unprincipled proportions.

2.  An outflow of investment capital to other countries that do not penalize the engines of the economy.

What struck me about Brown's plan was his "soak the rich" approach, which exactly mirrors Obama's - i.e., hitting the "upper 2%" of the "wealthy".  It is more than passing strange to me that this is the precise percentage that Obama proposes - and is equally doubtful.  Given Brown's recent meetings with Obama, no one will ever convince me that he didn't get some tutoring from our superclown...er, I mean, superpresident.

Another thing that's striking is how Brown's proposals are structured so that the real pain will be imposed after the elections in GB next year.  In Obama's case, most of the real pain has also been scheduled for the "out years" - meaning that the public won't begin to feel them until beyond 2011. 

And finally, there is the criticism that Brown's program is based on a lot of rosy "recovery" predictions which are very doubtful.  Exactly the same criticism has been leveled at Obama's program, and in our case the criticism has come not from the opposition party but from within the government itself, i.e. the Office of Management and Budget - which is considered to be a very credible source of information on this sort of thing

Cut and paste, or follow the link at the bottom: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6168950.ece?Submitted=true

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