you do know the electoral vote has not occurred??
Posted By: dnh on 2008-11-29
In Reply to: Who do you think you are kidding? - This stupidity has been "out there"....sm
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nothing illegal has occurred until they actually vote -
it is up to the pollsters to keep the people from voting illegally - if you check people's ID that should take care of the situation.
Has it occurred to you to actually...(sm)
look to see who's driving this into the ground? Of course the far left is pushing for prosecutions, but they've already been quieted once. However, what has REALLY brought it to the forefront again is Cheney showing up multiple times a week, every week, trying to justify torture. In other words, it's your own guy that's kicking your behinds on this. It was also the pubs who tried to drag Pelosi into it, which of course put more media on the story. So, before you start ranting and raving about liberals, you might want to check to see what other self-destructive behavior the right is engaging in.
Also, our troops at present are NOT fighting for OUR freedom in the middle east. They are fighting because of Bush's and Cheney's greed (which could have been over in 2004, but extended by ...you guessed it....Bush). At this point, they are just fighting for their own lives.
And yes, actually practicing what we preach would undoubtedly improve our international relationships.
I will say again, I do not believe the electoral
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Electoral map seems to be saying something quite different.
http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/
Quite the eye-opener.
Electoral College........
If you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even have kicked your point down by saying anything about the electoral collge. The electoral college really is illegal and unconstitutional and there is no place for it in this country. It is mainly far left liberals who only look at for themselvs and could care less about the country as a whole. What a joke!!
the electoral college
I don't really know what people would want but I do know that the final decision on presidency rests with the electoral college, which vote will not take place until december 15th. The whole issue is designed to influence the votes of the electors so all remains to be seen after the SC today and the electoral vote on 12/15.
Chek out THIS electoral map.
http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents
Electoral college.... sm
What do you think will happen on December 15 when the electoral college convenes?
Do you think that Obama has succeeded in changing the color of the electoral college permanently or at least for this election? Do you think the electors will stand by their votes or do you think some who changed over might revert back?
electoral college?
Honestly, this 'electoral college' always confuses me and I believe I am not alone in this.
Could you be so kind and explain?
Always open to learn something.
Thanks
Agreed. That electoral map is lookin'
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I agree with doing away with the electoral college....
it would certainly level the playing field and not give the bulk of the votes to the population centers. One only has to look at red states vs blue states to figure that one out.
Check out the global electoral map yet?
Not cocky in the slightest. Will be working up until the last minute of the last day and when the time comes, will par-TEEEEE 'til the sun comes up.
Global Electoral College...s/m
This was already posted earlier, but I want to repeat it:
Would the whole world have voted, only
3 (three) ! countries are leaning towards McCain
Iraq
Democratic Republic of Congo
Algeria   
by electoral votes - it is most definitely a landslide!
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Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm
Some states are talking about getting rid of the electoral college. Critics think this will lead to candidates pandering to urban areas to get the most votes.
Off the top, it sounds like a good idea to me because I'm in Alabama and if I could vote 100 times the republican party still would win our punny 3 electoral votes because we are overall a conservative state. Given that it seems like my vote doesn't count. However, I realize the electoral college was set up to avoid regional preferences.
The electoral college is Article II, Section 1
Joke's on you.
Steady polls, electoral map, environment,
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Link: www.Global Electoral College.com.......nm
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I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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technically not even president-elect until electoral college meets. nm
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
The polls that supply that electoral map are just that....polls...sm
Polls mean less than nothing to me. Polls intimidate and mislead the voters, in my opinion. Thanks for asking.
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do. We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say. I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men. I think you are right. We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency. The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great. God, glory, and guts. My pastor was just commenting on that this morning.
vote war?
If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.
The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.
Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.
I will vote Ron Paul.
I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.
And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. I remember my father telling me to always vote. I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count. There was a time when my parents could not vote at all. I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils.
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for. I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine. If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat. Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
how to vote
Truthfully, I don't know which one of the candidates is better, or which one is worse. Corruption is everywhere. Maybe there is no real good answer, and it's all an exercise in futility. I'm still going to vote, just because it's something that I do. However, at this point, I might as well just flip a coin. Actually, lately, I've just been looking at the candidates from a health and vitality standpoint. Which ones are the healthiest? Which ones seem to be in a position to withstand stress better than the other? Experience seems important, but if everything else is pretty equal, health is all that's left to compare, IMHO.
one vote
good thing you only get one vote.
Isn't there someone else we can vote for? sm
Are these two guys, McCain and Obama, the only choices we have? Realistically? Nader is never gonna win, so he isn't. What would happen if we all did a write-in?
It has come down to voting for Communism or More of the Same. As I don't want to be a Communist, I guess I'll vote for More of the Same.
Also, all this arguing about government-run healthcare...Anybody been to the VA recently???? Gee that is working so very well for us.
There's my 2 cents. Have at it!
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Vote
Hi! You are absoultely correct. EVERY vote from EVERY state should matter.
I live in one of the battleground states (PA), so my vote will matter I this election. However we were told from January 2008 until the primary that our choice would not matter because it was so late the candidates will have already been chosen......McCain already had been but CLinton vs Obama was still very close.
I do not wish to share my political views, only state that EACH vote from EACH state should carry the same signtificance.
No wonder so many in our country are so apathetic. It must feel awful to have your vote mean nothing.We are disenfranchising most of the population. This is not government of the people, or for the people regardless of your political peferences.
I know what you mean. A vote for O is like a vote to
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Before you vote, you should see this
If you are looking for something you don't like, keep it to your self and vote the
way you want. Nobody cares what you think.
No need to, we will just vote!
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Yes, old enough to vote...
In fact, I voted for OBAMA on Oct. 16 and proud of it. Are you PROUD of who you are voting for? I think not. Not deep down. Admit it.
I VOTE for M not O, my bad
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vote
O
Did he really vote that way? NO
Its nice to listen to the candidates' stump speeches and repeat them here --- but please, again, check your facts.
You will find that he did not vote to raise taxes, and the raise the taxes on incomes of $42,000 bill had other benefits written into it that would help the middle class. When bills are written, they usually have a number of things written in them. You have to weigh the priority of a bill. It's not as simple as vote against raising taxes because there my be something in that same bill that would be more beneficial than a 1-2% raise on taxes, so you vote for it.
Guess what -- McCain voted for this same bill to raise taxes on those making over $42,000, but he won't tell you that.
Again -- be informed and know what you don't know before you start telling others you do know what you don't know.
If you are a staunch republican or staunch democrat -- that's cool too -- vote, your choice, but please educate yourself before you start trying to educate others.
Vote as you please, but please vote. sm
I'm going just as soon as I finish my coffee. Then I will be watching the returns later this evening. :o)
For those who cannot vote....
I received an email from a friend who lives in St. Thomas, USVI. Although the Virgin Islands are US territory and my friend is a US citizen, born and raised in Wisconsin and moved to St. Thomas in her 40s, and they are governed from the US government, she and her husband are not entitled to vote, not even by absentee ballot. I don't know why, but that is what she told me. She sent an email imploring all of us who live here to get out and vote because she is deprived of this great privilege and wanted to say we should all remember we are that we do have the election process. Isn't that the truth? What a great privilege it is. Let's hope we all remember just how lucky we are and take advantage of our right to vote.
I vote that from now on
candidates can only campaign in song! :-D
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