you've got it backwards
Posted By: cj on 2008-11-20
In Reply to: I look at it this way............ sm - m
your family may face hardships with the bailout but they are nothing compared to what will happen without saving this industry. The failure of the automotive industry will be the final straw in the total destruction of the American economy. 3.5 million being temporarily jobless, as you state, is only the tip of the iceberg. To begin with, those 3.5 million are, for the most part, not the ones responsible. they are simply working people just like you and I who also want to be able to care for their families. Put yourself in their shoes too. Secondly, and more importantly, the domino effect of this would cause millions of others to lose their jobs and benefits. Just think what happens then. Government programs will be caring for all of those people, and all of that will be coming out of YOUR pocket. That's millions of people collecting unemployment and God knows how many other businesses forced to close. And that "temporarily unemployed" statement. Where do you expect these millions of people are going to go to find work? There will be nothing temporary about it. Now factor in the crime that will result from people not being able to affording housing and food and other basic necessities for their families. Add to that the demoralizing effects of this rampant unemployment on society. You really need to look at the bigger picture.
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You've got it backwards!!
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That's 'cause you've got it on backwards. NM
The shapeless part goes in the front...or maybe it's the back. Scrooge it, I guess it doesn't really matter. You ain't going nowhere anyway without yo' man!
I think you have it backwards, backwards typist!
The right-wing Republicans do most of the bashing on this board. Not only do they bash Obama and anyone who supports him, they are also the ones who have posted the most despicable racial slurs and lies. Maybe you should try going forwards instead of backwards!
and besides you got it backwards
Wilson wrote that piece because the White House was trying to smear him because he wouldn't go along with their pretenses and lies....and when you go against the White House you are bound to lose. Scooter turned out to be the fall guy for this.
So anyway, no use trying to have a "lively debate" when your basic facts are radically different from most liberal's facts.
BY the way, I would suggest for your own mental health that you get out in the world more. You appear to LIVE on this board and spend the better portion of your waking hours reading posts and slamming the posters and cutting and pasting followed by more cutting and pasting.....it is mind-boggling.
You know what backwards? sm
For months you have been sarcastic and spread false info about Obama. It's time now to stand up and admit, your choice lost. Obama did say even before the election that it would take time and maybe 10 years for the economy to turn around. Did you not hear that? I take umbrage to your snide remarks. Your sour grapes are hard to swallow I'm sure, but try to be a good American and give the HONEST MAN with NO AGENDA like OIL AND CRONYISM, a chance.
wow - didn't look backwards to me - nm
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BACKWARDS thinking?
Do a little research on McBush before you think he'll do a better job.
It's entirely IRResonsible to elect a 72-year-old bush wannabe with a half-baked right wingnut in the wings as second in line to the still most powerful office in the world.
Like war and paying for REBUILDING SOMEONE ELSE'S COUNTRY instead of your own?
THEN MCBUSH IS YOUR MAN
Thanks, backwards typist
I opened my original post, and saw nothing wrong with it. I'm not sure why it's so hard for some here to just go to wnd.com. Another one to check out is ibd.com (Investors' Business Daily).
Incidentally, McCain isn't conservative enough for me, but I have little choice. Sarah Palin is more my style. Regardless of the outcome, I predict a future ticket with Sarah & Bobby Jindal, in no particular order. Talk about a dream ticket! In a very short time he's done wonders for New Orleans.
Yes, our country has gone backwards..
Any sick jackbutt that wants to do harm and get a gun can and always has. They don't get a license! Those of us who have the right to bear arms are the ones people like Obama want to go after. You don't hear him talking about the crime and violence, but instead those of us who want to keep our guns for our own protection. That's because he knows where most of the violence occurs and why. But you'll never hear him stand on a podium and preach that.
Just because he can have bodyguards WITH GUNS protecting his butt doesn't mean I do.
Just wait, he'll have so many criminals dumped back onto our streets it will be frightening.
This is what communist countries do...they take away any power from their people so government can dictate and run them any way they want and the people have no way to even stand up to wrongdoing, even by their own government, which has played itself over and over in this world.
Now all those O lovers can flame all they want. I really do NOT care!!!
it should be.....backwards thinking
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Backwards politicians nm
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you have it all BACKWARDS, move on!
We all know that politics is a 'dirty' business. You said it yourself.
Why do you attack Obama and not McCain. They all have skeleton in the closet, some more, some less.
Actually, we all do, don't you?
not Backwards Typist--the one above
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What is that BACKWARDS VOTER?
hahaha
I'm with both you and Backwards Typist on this.....sm
There's only supposed to be one president at a time, but we've had two since the first week of November.
Obama shows contempt and disrespect for the current administration and president, every time he holds a press conference or releases press regarding everything that's wrong in America and how he's going to fix it all.
Of course, he's already warned us that it's going to get worse, so he'll be able to keep blaming Bush for the next four years.
Thanks Backwards typist
It's hard to describe the feelings I have. Of course everyone wants him to do well because that would mean it would be good for our country, but DH and I have said over and over they are putting him on a pedistal (sp?), some people are coming out actually equating him with Jesus and what if he happens to do something wrong, what if he fails. Since he has not taken the office yet you can't say he won't or will fail.
It's just a very very scary time now and I for one will not be sleeping without worry. What I know is that he has promised everyone everything and now they are coming to collect. So when our "so-called" enemy countries come back with you better do what I want or else, he's going to have to do what they want. Just horribly horribly unsettling.
I want issues. Like you I come to this board to hear issues. I used to love the links people provided, but now there are some posters who just keep coming on attacking. Hopefully in a week things will settle down and we can get to business. But for now I don't see that happening.
So people who read this...issues, issues, issues. Articles (and please not the "he's like us cos he eats chile dogs and cheese fries" articles). What are his plans, what is he putting in places, what is Pelosi arguing with him about, how's it going to affect us, when is he going to give us that welfare money he promised in his campaign, when is he going to tax the companies who take jobs overseas, why has he now decided not to tax the rich like he promised during the campaign. These are the issues I want to hear. Not about people chanting his name with glee.
No, you have it backwards. McCain was harping on how...sm
much experience he had and how little Obama had. When he picked Palin and said her experience was sufficient to be president is when all the republicans, and "independents" starting comparing Obama to Palin as far as what the perceive experience to be.
I saw the picture, Kaydie...the B is backwards!
The police have serious doubts about her story, as well. You are very gullible!
I have to confess to backwards typist
they are usually flimsy opinions with no fact, looking for arguments so u are right, i do nont read them.... also what I posted was for dems only so why did u read it? looking for trouble i guess huh?
Well, please, next time, if you aren't a dem and I say dems only, just skip it and we will both be happier.
Thank you.
gnah
Hiya Backwards Typist...how are you? sm
I agree with a lot of what you have posted in this thread.
Unfortunately, I really think the Obama administration will not let anyone sink...they will throw a lifeline called socialistm....we will all be owned by the government, and be paying for it for decades to come. Bush opened the door a crack, and Obama is going to prop it open, and take full advantage of the American people.
Most of them won't know what has hit them, until it's too late.
Obama has bent over backwards to
The Republicans don't care about everyday people like most of the ones who post on this board. They only care about the richest of the rich. The Republicans are obstructionists and just waste space in DC. It's time they're voted out.
Amen! Backwards, could not agree more.nm
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by the way, backwards typist - I like hearing your viewpoint -
I am not bashing anybody - I respond sometimes to comments with my own opinions, but I respect that you have the right to yours also.
I never call anyone a liar on this board - but if I see something I think is incorrect, I will try to correct the information if I can...
Also, I agree with the issues needing to be discussed and not bashing - for example, I asked who would vote for SP in 2012 and it turned into "she's better than him" or "he did this" below. I truly wanted to know who would vote for her in the primaries.
But, I don't think it is just the dems tearing down the pubs - I am standing on the fence (neutral to party sides) and I see it going both ways...
I'm with backwards typist, Kaydie, and la difference..nm
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Totally agree with you Backwards typist
Sorry haven't been on in awhile and just saw this message. I totally agree with you. The only thing that's going to happen by taking our guns away is that we will not be able to defend ourself. The criminals will still have their weapons.
I am thankful for the NRA - was so sad when Charlton Heston got sick, but I'm glad they are there protecting our rights.
Thanks Backwards Typist - aint that the truth
Brother, talk about trying have a serious discussion. Anytime someone says something negative about what's going on currently they have to say Bush this or Bush that, when the conversation wasn't even about Bush to begin with. It's like what I heard earlier by a democrat on TV. He said if you make fun of Bush it's okay, if you make fun of Obama its not. If you make fun of Palin it's okay if you make fun of Helen Thomas or some other democrat it's not. This is getting very one-sided and it's sad to see what is happening to the country.
I still stand by my original message though that I'm sick and tired of seeing all these specials about the life and times of Obama treating him as though he founded a whole new country, when we've been around for over 200 years and have done very well before he came along.
Thanks for the support BT - knew I could you on you for some clear thinking and sanity. I ended up having to just shut it down today and it was quite frustrating having to repeat the same thing over and over, gave me a headache.
Ignore the negativity truck, there, backwards typist.
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Gotta give Backwards Typist credit...
for picking an appropriate name for herself.
backwards as usual, it's because BUSH DVETOED REGULATION sm
My goodness, do you not have any of the facts? I'm finished with you.
Sounds like a great idea, Backwards Typist
But gently, gently...don't want to accidentally hurt her.
(LOL...I get the idea that she'd be kickin' OUR butts instead!!!) 
backwards, you didn't read the post, just the headline PAY ATTENTION
loser
You have that completely backwards, it was President Clinton's administration that had a balance
for the firs time in modern history; not only that, there was a government surplus. George came, and I think you can following the bouncing ball here....trillions of dollars in deficit left behind...talk about rewriting history!!!! I wish people would stop making ludicrous statements without one work to back it up............
Can't chew gum. Would've if I could've.
Even got hypnotized. Supposedly guaranteed to quit. Lasted 5 hours. Thank heavens I never smoked anything stronger. 
Something I've got to say
I left this board a while back for a period of time due to the harassing emails I was getting from the former owner of this site. It finally stopped when I told her that in the 10 years I had had email service I had never received such harassing or threatening emails and come to think of it, prior to her emails to me I had never received ANY harassing or threatening emails. I told her if they didn't stop that I would find the proper resources to report her conduct. She was angry because myself and two other posters were emailing to each other upset about the rampant deletion of liberal posts. Apparently when we used the initial MTstars email form she was reading them. In the course of her emailing me she also told one very obvious and easily discovered lie. The whole thing was creepy.
Just wanted to get that off my chest.
Yes, I certainly would. I've seen a lot of sm
so-called religious people do some very non-religious things. Remember, an atheist does not believe in Satan or worship the devil either, it just means that they do not believe in God, any God. Also, they may perhaps just not believe in organized religion.
You really believe that? Hey, I've got a really - sm
cool-looking, orange-colored bridge in San Francisco I'll sell ya really CHEAP. It's a little old and rusty, but polish it up a little, and you could probably resell it on ebay and make yourself a tidy profit. And profit's what you guys are all about, right?
Well, I've had it. sm
The hate that flies on this board is absolutely unbearable. I came to this board to compare issues of both parties and what do I see? A few people trying to give facts and get bombarded with HATE. I feel sorry for them and so CHILDISH.
What is worse is that some posters are falling into the trap by answering with just as hateful messages.
I am going happily on my way to find another place to compare issues and it WON'T BE WITH TRASH MEDIA as some are trying to force down my throat.
My mind has probably been made up for this election and I certainly won't be voting for Obama since I've seen some posters spew their hate against the republicans, although I do like Biden.
It's a shame.
That's what I've been trying to do --
gain information. It's very difficult to get accurate information without all the slams. Any suggestions on good websites to review these topics of interest and what each candidate's stand is on each? I've started watching CNN. I have to admit, I was really a Hillary supporter and now that Obama's on the ticket instead, I just don't know which evil is worse. I thank you for your input and I will continue to delve into this mess until I can come up with my own conclusion. I'm just trying to gain information from all angles, not relying on just 1 opinion. I asked the question below of everyone, but no one responded.
Does no one know the answer? Is it ridiculous of me to think that the resolution to this crisis should not dig into my pockets? I personally feel that the people who got those bonuses should be made to give them back, that they should be paying fines to offset this mess since they were the ones cooking the books for the bonuses.
Yes, and that is exactly what I've been saying
one is no better than the other.
that's the best you've got?
Old story, and not an impressive one. I don't like hearing any story like that, ever. It's no better than Clinton, but wasn't it the Dems who said that personal "affairs" were just about sex and meant nothing? We don't know if Biden cheated or not, do we? I don't know, but I hope not.
The Obama-Ayers-Wright-Pfleger (and on and on) affairs are far more detrimental to this country, so wake up and smell the coffee.
Can't say as I've ever used that one.
I guess she could have used terminology from Scooby Doo episodes. Jinkies, Mr. Biden. LOL.
That's because that's all you know....they've been
call it racism. Why do you think Obama will get the majority black votes? Because they think for themselves? Please... I have a black neighbor who says too many blacks have been led around by the nose by people like Jesse Jackson, AL Sharpon, and now says this Judas Barry Obama is showing up. She is not so easily fooled but she feels like her race has been sold down the river by this man. Instead of encouraging them, he wants to give them more handouts and keep them down, so they can continue to feel "entitled" becaues of their color.
Too bad so many others are.
LOL Now you've really done it!!!
Added everything I love. I grew up on this chow and swore when I was "growed up" I would never eat it again. Guess what? I'll take that stuff over steak any day of the week. Now I gotta make a Sweet 'tater pie!!!! Didn't get anything to eat, we were planning for cooking for the re-enactment group that will be doing their re-enactment here the first weekend in Dec.
Is that all you've got?
I read the board, I read the blogs, I watch TV, I listen to my relatives. So yes, I think that gives me a good idea.
Yes, he has. Where've you been?
Do you think the Dems would've let him run if he could be disqualified? Do you think McCain wouldn't have made it front and center if his high-paid dirt-diggers could've found ANYTHING? Just because you wish it to be true doesn't make it true.
Like i've said before
Anyone who didn't have their heads in the clouds, drinking the kool-aid, out of fear, or just flat out ignorant could have seen him for what he really was loooong before now. Whites have done what is right, but make no mistake, I owe no one anything and never did.
There are many racists who will take this opportunity to exploit everything.......sadly enough Obama has gotten right in line with them. When you start using MY taxes to pay for "projects" and you say what color the people have to be that work on those projects, there is a word for that.
Just keep tuned.....his true colors are there
I probably would. I've been there and like it.
Trade houses? LOL
sm....You've go to know that....
You've got to know that I have truly BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, or I would be keeping my mouth/fingers shut/quiet - lol! On my 18th birthday, I moved out of home. I have a military dad (marine) and no longer wanted to live a military-style household.....so I left. I did not have a place to go, so stayed with my cousins for a bit. I ended up moving into a duplex with a friend of my cousin's husband - I did not even know the guy. We split rent on this duplex and worked opposite shifts...so it was like each of us having our own place. I was really "full of myself" because I was working FT with my own place to stay....so I went a little crazy on the "partying," and ended up pregnant myself, just a few months after leaving home. I WAS ON BIRTH CONROL PILLS, but antibiotics I was on at the time had contradicted the efficacy of my BCPs. Shortly after suspecting (but without confirmation) I was pregnant, my roomate and I had a disagreement and he threw me out! I was then homeless and most likely pregnant. I went to the Health Department and got a free pregnancy test, and my hypothesis was confirmed. So....I was HOMELESS and PREGNANT and had been on BIRTH CONTROL pills. I could have gotten a FREE ABORTION on your TAX PAYER DOLLARS but, instead, I got a second job, applied for food stamps, found a cheap apartment in a bad part of town, and had my baby. I then worked my way up to bigger and better things, but I did not take the EASY WAY OUT and ABORT/KILL my baby. People are soooo lazy!!! The easy way - or no way at all.....is how most people look at life these days. Our forefathers worked the earth to provide food....but everyone today wants that quick burger or veggie fix - no time to waste. WHEN I WAS ON BCP'S, I STILL COULD HAVE USED A SECONDARY FORM OF PROTECTION!!! There is not a single person in this forum that was not given a WARNING about the RISK OF PREGNANCY WHILE ON BIRTH CONTROL PILLS when you got your prescription. Sorry.....but everyone's "sob stories" over trying to JUSTIFY ABORTION are truly PATHETIC. I am sorry for your daughter, but she apparently overcame, and now you have a BEAUTIFUL and WONDERFUL grandchild that may one day grow up to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Why would anyone want to ABORT something like that? (P.S. I had a very hard time with my second pregnancy also, and raised two children WITHOUT CHILD SUPPORT, but I will not go into that story at this time. I have been "advised" by others to have abortions, but chose to preserve my morality and continue to regard life as PRECIOUS. Life is not a BED OF ROSES.)
I'm m......... I've always been m...... sm
and I'll always be m. I don't mind getting slammed for my beliefs...I'm kind of used to it. LOL
Thank you!!! - that's what I've been trying to say
Some people have no clue though. They think if Obama is doing it, it's okay. They don't care about right or wrong. I'm truly disgusted that our tax money is going to fund their parties for their own pleasure. Especially since everyone who attends their parties are rich enough they could pay for it themselves, but instead they use our money.
I've been researching trying to find anything that says they are paying for it themselves, but not finding anything. I found something about a white house budget, but again that budget is funded by taxpayers money.
Since it's my taxpaying money you bet I've got a problem with how they are spending it. Especially in these hard times and what America is going through.
What was it Marie Antoinette said "If they have no bread let them eat cake". I'm starting to see a similarity here.
You've got some of it right
I am prior military and this is the way it works.
Pentagon asks the President for the okay to proceed. The president simply states yay or nay. When you say "outlining a mission" if you are referring to the actual planning of it, no the President does not have anything to do with the plans, but he is informed by the leaders of how the scenario will work out and then he agrees or not. The military leaders are the ones who create the plan and enforce it (complete the action).
The problem with what happened during the Bush years was that Bush trusted the wrong people. When he was told by a group of people that this was there or that was there, he believed them and did not question. One thing that was learned from that was to question everything.
But a lot of people are under the mistaken identity that the president sits and plans the mission out with the military leaders, and he does not. He listens to them and then just okays it.
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