yes, I agree, it is said that the pictures

• Heads up Bush and Cheney lovers...(sm) - Just the big bad
  • Just like I posted before. If Obama had his - daughters taken just like in the movie
    • You got it! - Mythbuster
  • For someone who preaches to us - Trigger Happy
    • OP only omitted this: we are ALL infidels! sm - RealityCheck
  • Will this include the dems who - sm
    • Petty tit for tat...(sm) - Just the big bad
  • they should be prosecuted for war crimes - steady eddie
    • No they shouldn't - lets talk about prosecution of Clinton - just me
    • Terrorists are not covered under - Trigger Happy
      • read this from Veterans For Peace - steady eddie
    • Like the Nuernberg Trial after WWII or the Internat'al criminalThe Hague Court..sm - ()
      • It proves the extent of the torture that was used...(sm) - Just the big bad
        • Lets talk about the torture of our soldiers by our enemies - just me
        • yes, I agree, the torture was extreme, we just - ()
          • What I think you have to keep in mind...(sm) - Just the big bad
            • I respect your analysis about how the people in the - ()
              • Granted, noone wants to see stuff like that, but...(sm) - Just the big bad
                • All this said, I agree with you that Cheney, Rumsfeld - ()
                  • That reminds me of the 2.....(sm) - Just the big bad
                • Around the world 150 at least countries engage in torrture and it is - ()
                  • That is correct....(sm) - Just the big bad
                    • yes, I agree, it is said that the pictures - ()
                      • Ahmedinejad may have it....(sm) - Just the big bad
                        • right, both parties are claiming victory,, - ()
  • Another post to start trouble - what a shame - - thought hate was banned - nm
    • If hate was banned, this would be - a liberal board and a lot nicer.
  • Just wondering, - Zville MT
    • First of all, I don't understand what there is . . . sm - riddle me this
      • All is fair in love and war. - Trigger Happy
        • Blah, blah, blah . . . same old tired rhetoric. - riddle me this
          • I am more concerned about how - Trigger Happy
            • Correction.....(sm) - Just the big bad
              • And technically how do you figure that? - Victoria
                • SM - Patty
                  • Thank you! - Victoria
                • There has been no .....(sm) - Just the big bad
                  • Thanks for the lesson on the constitution, however ... - Victoria
                    • Nope...wrong again...(sm) - Just the big bad
                      • You are truly one clueless person. - Victoria
    • Ummm....yeah, it would be so terrible..(sm) - Just the big bad
      • All nations ... - E
        • This isn't a matter of degrading ourselves...(sm) - Just the big bad
          • I have 4 sons in the military ..sm - E
          • "If the laws in this country are not going to be enforced, what's the point of having them? - Patty
            • Absolutely...(sm) - Just the big bad
              • Trying to change sound laws - Patty
                • Yeah....(sm) - Just the big bad
                  • I said SOUND laws.. - Patty
                    • Just wondrin' Patty: Who put you in charge . . . - riddle me this
                      • I can answer that one.....LOL - Just the big bad
                        • Definitely!!! - Patty
                      • Common sense... - Patty
                        • So sad you were out sick the day they were handing out! - riddle me this
                        • Isn't that the truth and on this board it - Victoria
                          • Right... - Patty
        • So true. Big Bad's motives are only hatred - towards Bush/Cheney -the usual gig.nm
    • Yes, and could put the country and/or our military - in more danger. Think a little deeper BB!! nm
  • God love ya, you are so tiresome. :) - snore
    • Agree. what a bunch of garbage. - Be so proud for spewing, JTBB..not. nm

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MORE FAMILY PICTURES OF THE NEW FIRST FAMILY??
 
PLEASE READ THE FINE PRINT AND FORWARD TO OTHERS.
 
How come we haven't seen or known about some of these....?
 
 
Barack Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama

  
 
U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama's
 
uncle has been a prisoner in his own home,
 
trapped by post election violence that has left
 
more than 600 Kenyans dead. 'If Barack Obama
 
were elected, he would improve relations between
 
Africa and  America  because he had his roots in
 
Africa', his uncle said.   
 
 
  
 Malik Obama, older brother to Barack Obama, holds an undated picture of

Barak, left, and himself, middle, and an unidentified friend in his shop in eastern Kenya .
 
 Luo dancers from the Senator
Barack Obama Primary School
 
 

Barack has stated his support for Luo Raila Odinga (Opposition Leader in
Kenya who signed a 'Shariah pact' with Muslims and claims to be Obama's
cousin) and is married to Ida Odinga. They have four children - two sons and
two daughters. His oldest son, Fidel, is named after Fidel Castro.
 
  
 
Barack's father, Muslim, hard-drinker, was married three times, attended
Harvard and returned to Kenya . Obama claims he was an atheist,
but he was raised Muslim and was given a Muslim burial at Barack's
family's request.
 
  
With mother Stanley  Ann Dunham.  In his own autobiography Obama writes,
'How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars
that I have never quite had the courage to explore.'  (His father was still
married to his first wife Kezia in Kenya at the time.)
  
 
His father's only visit while Obama was in Hawaii
 
 
Mother's 2nd husband Lolo Soetoro (Indonesian Muslim),
their daughter Maya, and Obama.
 
 
Abandoned by his father and shipped off by his
mother to his white grandparents, Barry Sotero
becomes Barack Hussein Obama. Obama would
describe his grandparents as 'white folk.'
 
(Yeah, 'white folk' that would NOT abandon
 
you, their grandchild.  Shame on you Obama.)
 
 
Barack stands behind Kezia (stepmother) in a Kenyan family shot.
(Including brother Abongo ' Roy ' Obama who is a Luo activist and
a 'Militant Muslim' who argues that the black man must 'liberate
himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.' )
 
'Abongo's new lifestyle has left him lean and clear-eyed, and at
 
the wedding, he looked so dignified in his black African gown
 
with white trim and matching cap that some of our guests
 
mistook him for my father,' Obama wrote in Dreams
 
From My Father

The only arrogance I see is the arrogance oozing from Barrack Obama.......and oozing from Pelosi.

Well, there's the proof then!!!! 

I think Lamont won a primary in a state where if I'm not mistaken tends to be a blue state.  I think there's still and election to be held.  He'll probably win, because as you stated above.  If a state tends to go Democrat or Republican they will tend to go that way again.  I believe the polarization has reached such a point that the liberal states will become even more left, and the right states will become more right.  There were a few pesky little states in the presidential election that went to republicans that usually go to democrats, but presidential elections are not always cut and dry like Senate and House elections tend to be.

I have just removed and banned a poster over tasteless, and obviously altered, pictures of the President-elect. 

We are not going to engage in that kind of posting here about any official.  If you have any questions or issues with this, you can discuss it with me via email.

Moderator

They don't come out.  Also, the colors obscure the names of the people who made the quotes making them worthless.  How is one to argue about who said the quote if you can't read it.  

Gary Muchler
And finally, they're a dwindling number and may soon be extinct, so let's take a quick look at the conservative counter-protestors who have been voicing their support for the war. You've already met memorial vandal Larry Northern, but now I'm proud to present ardent Bush supporter Gary Muchler. Here he is in Wilkes-Barre PA, trying to snatch a sign at a rally for Cindy Sheehan:

Just a thought, but instead of assaulting peaceful protestors perhaps Gary could sign up for the military. He loves the war, he's already got the camo pants (which the Army would be delighted to show him how to belt properly), and he'd get into shape right quick. C'mon Gary, sign up today!

Gary joins the elite ranks of the Pro-War Rogues' Gallery, which features previous honorees The Unknown Patriot:

...and of course, Morans Guy:

the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel.  I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts.  (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC.  I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox.  I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)

And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.

I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor.  (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)

But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder.  And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)

I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion.  One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.

But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member?  That sick stuff DOES happen in this country.  What if she knows she wants an abortion?  Should she be forced to have the baby?  I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know.  I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion.  That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.

As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman.  After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it.  I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they?  I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight.  Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay.  I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country.  As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay.  (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )

With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker."  That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.

I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."  

NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.

Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.

We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.

First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 

I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.

However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it.  And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.

I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.

It should be criminal to expose children to such hostility and insanity. It sounds like real violence could have ensued if these whackos would have been crossed in any way.

I almost feel for some of these people.  A brief visit to the Conservative board left me thinking I should have worn a helmet and worn body armor.  Although it's a scary place over there, it must be terrible to exist inside a body that harbors such rage and hatred every day, 24/7.  I don't understand what has happened to their religion, but my Christian religion still promotes love, tolerance, respect and the principles of the Golden Rule, all attributes that seem completely foreign to them.  All they do is trash others and haven't contributed one positive thing to that board.

Sometimes I think there isn't much difference between these people and the terrorists who attacked us and other countries.  They both exhibit signs of mental illness, a maniacal obsession with controlling what everyone believes, and they both promote hatred, violence and intolerance in the name of their respective gods.  About the only main difference I can see is that the terrorists, unfortunately, seem to be much more intelligent in their pursuit of their goals.

I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.

Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.

With every day that passes, I feel less and less hope.  I've never been this frightened of a politician in my entire life.

And I wonder if we had stepped it up a while back, how much of this would be going on today.  The more we delay, the better they get at their "craft."

I wish we had never gone in there to begin with and think it's one of the biggest mistakes a president could have ever made.  But we're there, and we can't just go in there, turn their country upside down and leave without leaving them with some semblance of normalcy.  Those who said this is a quagmire were right on the money.

Anyone who has anything less than a hate Bush agenda should burn in hell as far as GT is concerned.  I too don't agree with Bush 100% on everything, but that does not matter to GT.  If you agree with Bush on anything you should not pass GO and go straight to hell along with Bush's Stepford wife and alcoholic daughters.  Am I painting that picture correctly GT?

I am a moderate conservative, and a Republican, although I'd consider a moderate Democrat like Joe Lieberman or somebody reasonable, however, the Democrats won't nomiate anybody like that, so my vote stays Republican. 

As for hand outs and hand ups... There's a big difference between somebody who is unable to work and somebody who is unwilling to work.  The individual who is physically or mentally unable to work, or the hard working family who falls on hard times for whatever reason that is out of their control, those people deserve some help.  Hands outs/hands up, whatever you want to call it should be viewed as a stepping stone to self sufficiency. 

I feel for the innocent victims (children) of those who embrace a lifestyle of just taking free money from those of us in society who work hard, but I havn't much compassion for able bodied young people who refuse to work.  If an uneducated person is working hard but not making enough to sustain themselves they can avail themselves of food stamps, WIC, free school lunches, and I don't a problem with that.  But, drive through a poor neighborhood and watch the young healthy people sitting on stoops and standing on corners doing nothing all day instead of working.  Whether it be pursuing their GED, or taking vocational classes, they should be at least thinking of bettering themselves instead of just resigning to a life of free hand outs.

I hear ya and yes I agree we should stay away..There are a lof of other political boards through the net, where we can discourse/debate with conservatives over ideas and America without being attacked like mad dogs (I hate to use the analogy as mad dogs as my dogs are much kinder than the conservatives who post here..smile)..

I think O'Reilly got a taste of his own medicine and was about to lose it.  I roared when Phil called him Billy, and Phil in no way denigrated Bill's nephew, but Phil had asked if any of O'Reilly's kids are serving in Iraq.  O'Reilly tried to use his nephew's service to detract from the fact that NONE of his own children are there.  I think that's what made O'Reilly the angriest:  The fact that Phil zapped him on that point.

And now that Libby (yuck! I should change my moniker) and Rove are both implicated in the Plame scandal, it will be interesting to see what Fitzgerald's findings are, and they should be coming soon.

I also agree about Cheney.  He's very scary.  There is definitely a very shrewd, conniving network at work in this administration, and Bush simply isn't bright enough to do this on his own.  And there are no standards of decency left on any level in this administration, which is incredible for the CONs, considering all they ever babble about is their superior *decency*.  For example, they blatantly lie without blinking an eye, as do some of their more dedicated followers.  If anyone dares to disagree with this president, the response it to DESTROY the opponent (not unlike what happens on these boards, only to a more dangerous degree, such as exposing Valerie Plame, for example).  Nothing is out of bounds any more.

I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation. 

Bush and his military brass treated this family horribly.  They did nothing but lie about everything.  (Big surprise, huh?)

They tried to use Pat Tillman as their poster child for recruiting purposes, but Tillman wouldn't agree to be used that way.

When I think if the incredible courage and integrity Pat Tillman had and I look at what a coward Bush was when it came to fighting in a war and what a lying sack of crap he is today, it's easy to see who the REAL man is, and it just makes me want to spit on Bush.