why would we be paying for it?
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: No--you and I pay for them. - Kendra
I am not talking about a low income clinic, I am talking about a regular gynecology office. When I took my daughter in for visits, I did not ask the taxpayers to pay for it. I paid my copay and filed it on my insurance -
I don't think we pay for everybody's medical care - that would be socialism, remember?
Complete Discussion Below:  marks the location of current message within thread
The messages you are viewing
are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select
the boards given in left menu
Other related messages found in our database
According to that., I would also be paying...
less, but the difference is minimal. There are so many disclaimers on the site I don't know if I believe it anyway...however, what you have to take into consideration along with this, is all the programs he is proposing to the billions of dollars. Look at our economy now. I don't think he can deliver on any of it without sending us into another financial crisis. Either of them actually. So what I am looking at is who can do the best with what he is going to be faced with. I believe McCain and his reforming agenda, his history (he saw this fannie/freddie debacle coming years ago and the Dems pooh-poohed him)...that is the experience and track record I want to see.
How about paying for good
So much for exporting Democracy.
U.S. paid for Iraqi praise, paper says
BY LOLITA C. BALDOR
ASSOCIATED PRESS
December 1, 2005
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military offered a mixed message Wednesday about whether it embraced one of its programs that reportedly paid a consulting firm and Iraqi newspapers to plant favorable stories about the war and the rebuilding effort.
Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a military spokesman in Iraq, said the program is an important part of countering misinformation in the news by insurgents. A spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, however, called a report detailing the program troubling if true and said he was looking into the matter.
This is a military program initiated with the Multi-National Force to help get factual information about ongoing operations into Iraqi news, Johnson said in an e-mail.
Details about the program were first reported Wednesday by the Los Angeles Times. It was the second time this year that Pentagon programs have come under scrutiny for reported payments made to journalists for favorable press.
Two other federal agencies have been investigated in the past year for similar activities, leading Congress' Government Accountability Office to condemn one -- the Education Department -- for engaging in illegal covert propaganda.
Military officials who spoke to the Times on condition of anonymity said the Information Operations Task Force, based in Baghdad, bought an Iraqi newspaper and took over a radio station to put out pro-U.S. messages. Neither outlet was named out of fear that they would be targeted by insurgents, the newspaper said.
The stories in Iraqi newspapers often praise the efforts of U.S. and Iraqi troops, denounce terrorism and promote Iraq reconstruction efforts.
The Times quoted unnamed officials as saying some of the stories in Iraqi newspapers were written by U.S. troops and though basically factual, they sometimes give readers a slanted view of what is happening.
Defense Department officials didn't deny the report.
Rumsfeld spokesman Bryan Whitman said, so this article raises some question as to whether or not some of the practices that are described in there are consistent with the principles of this department.
The Pentagon hired the Lincoln Group, a Washington-based firm that translates the stories into Arabic and places them in Baghdad newspapers, the newspaper said. Lincoln's staff or subcontractors in Iraq occasionally pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they hand stories to Iraqi news outlets, it said.
Laurie Adler, a spokeswoman for the Lincoln Group, said Wednesday she couldn't comment on the contract because it is with the U.S. government.
Copyright © 2005 Detroit Free Press Inc
If you live on the GC, you were paying about
nm
My dear, you will not be paying any
more taxes than they paid in the 1990s, and I can't feel sorry for you. 250K is a lot of money. Our country is under seige by big business, and you feel sorry for yourself that you might have to pay your fair share. My DH and I work our butts off for 60K a year, and we pay 20% to 25% in taxes, but we don't whine about it. However, it would be nice to get a break.
Paying for it is a problem
I already have almost $20,000 in student loans and I'm still a year or two away from a bachelor's. And I am attending a little podunk school in South Georgia! But through the pell grant I was able to take a year and get my MT certification through the community college, and while it wasn't Andrews or MTech, I still received a good education and I make a decent living for a newbie who is still taking classes. There are a lot of grants and what not out there that you can use to take classes for free if you can keep up the grades. And it may be something the candidates need to look into. Maybe instead of just handing out checks to be used however, they can put them towards paying for education for people who can't afford it.
You don't have to have a bachelor's to make a decent living. You can go to school to be an auto mechanic, a paralegal, a respiratory therapist, etc. Most of these only take a year or two, and they will give you a lot more money than being on welfare. Plus, there are many online accredited schools now that take financial aid that parents can use if they can't physically go to class because of kids, etc.
90% of the time, it is the lack of will on the persons part that keeps them where they are. Just giving them more money is an incentive to stay down. That is why the welfare system is so horrible. There needs to be case workers who are working with these people and helping them get off of welfare. If they are on welfare and driving a BMW and can afford cable, internet, etc, then there is a problem. Something is fishy about that.
I know there are people who legitimately need help, and they deserve it. But for the most part, people are just to lazy, or don't care, and they just stay right where they are, never trying to better themselves. NO ONE should have to take care of them.
No, was just stating that we are still paying them...
its not like they are not getting an income while they are campaigning.
The point was that he could share his own wealth if he wanted to without being forced to by the government...lead by example, before he forces the rest of us to join in whether we want to or not.
what are you talking about? Are you saying paying
taxes is stealing? Don't get your post.
With all the not paying of taxes going on...
I think maybe an audit of all politicians should be undertaken? LOL! Sheesh....then again....I'd hate to see actually how many of them are screwing us even more by not paying taxes. Yeeks!!!
My point was that they are not paying for anything...
I quit smoking to save money and take offense to paying for someone else to continue.
No more than I mind paying for yours.
x
We are literally paying for their
countries defense. We are ultimately paying for our own self destruction. China doesn't like us. They have been civil because the US has controlled the seas for so long and we had an awesome military and great defense. Now Obama is wanting to cut back on our countries defense and sit down and talk with countries while China gets more of our money to go towards its own defense. If they take control of the seas and have a greater military force than we do.....do you honestly think they will still play nice? He!!s no they won't.
In my county, we have been paying
what I call the "right to breathe" tax. Just because we are living, we are taxed for it. It's only $252 a year but only 2 years ago, it was only $10 a year.
The stimulus also isn't helping our area. The little bit of money that came to this county is going for the same things (landscaping, etc.) that Hannity listed. Yet, our school district needs a new roof and more classrooms, so they are raising our taxes another 3.1 mils. We already are the highest taxed district in the county. A $100,000 home pays $1500 in property taxes...at least that was last year. The property taxes go up every year.
have you been paying attention
to the differences between what he said and what he does on other issues. things like (Paraphrased) "I don't want to be in the business of running car companies." ".....won't see any new taxes of any kind." "taxing health care benefits would be wrong." I think when you say when thing and do another that is a lie and it is manipulative.
You really must not have been paying attention
Other than a very brief period about 8-1/2 years ago, the divide in the country has been growing larger for about the last 10 years...surely you did not think we had national unity back in the Clinton years, did you? How about the 8 years of Bush the Younger? Frankly, other than a few of the more vociferous 'radical right' pundits, the country is not doing too bad. The moderates and independents have not chimed in yet as they realize that it's going to take longer than 150 days to clean up the mess left when the keys were handed to the POTUS. So far, the only people truly divided are the extremes, and, frankly, I tend to be happier when I'm catered to in the middle since we're so often forgotten.
So you are okay with paying for his affair?....(sm)
With all the whining you guys do about where your tax dollars go, I would think you might be a little more concerned. I guess not though because that was a stand-up, God fearing republican.....I guess that makes it okay.
You have a better shot at getting the truth paying sm
attention to alternative media. You will not get it in the box by mainstream, heavily censored, corporate owned media.
We are already paying for the health care
...of those folks you mention. Who did you think pays for all the uninsured health care in this country? Santa Claus? Folks without insurance often wait until the last minute and then utilize ER services which in the end cost more than if they'd been followed in a clinic.
It also sounds like you believe that kids of welfare abusers should be punished because their parents can't/don't/won't provide for them. I don't agree. All children deserve basic care regardless of who their parents are. We are a wealthy country, after all.
Personally, I'd be happy to pitch in on my taxes to help provide a health care program for the uninsured. Better that than funding a war in Iraq.
So, you look forward to paying for more social
xx
He's paying attention to ducking the RNC
Just like last time.
Yea, I'll probably be paying for your free
xx
No, she just hates paying for lazies of any
__
SO you don't mind paying more taxes under
??
Not quite the same as paying it from his own personal account....sm
You can rest assured that Obama, like every other American, will take all the tax credits he can and pay the least amount of taxes he has to. A nice campaign slogan, but it doesn't hold water.
aren't we still paying McCain also? nm
x
Yeah, just think! MT co's might just have to start paying
;)
You obviously haven't been paying attention...(sm)
Dems oppose UNJUST war, like going into Iraq or Israel's constant terror against Palestine. There's a huge difference. We are in the middle of 2 wars -- that Bush started. Did you really think that we would be able to clean his mess up with just a wave of a hand?
Pakistan has a government that has no control of its country, which means that militants are currently in charge of the attacks on the supply line that goes into Afganistan. Those are the targets. My guess is that the real Pakistan gov probably gave the coordinates to the US for these and many previous hits. However, they can't really claim that because their people would be all over them because of the anti-American sentiment in Pakistan. This is why you haven't heard a lot of arguement from the UN about these hits. This was the same thing that was going on when Bush was in office.
Obama has consistently said that he wants diplomacy first, but he has also said that he will not hesitate to use force when necessary. In this particular instance, the US is currently working out a deal with Russia for a different route for supplies to Afganistan, but in the meantime it is necessary to protect the existing route through Pakistan. Did you really think that Obama was just going to leave our people in Afganistan with no supply line? And if he had, what would you have said about that?
It looks as though you weren't really paying attention...
He said the same thing over and over. Withdraw troops from Iraq and put more boots on the ground in Afghanistan..........how could you have missed THAT? Selective hearing? Selective posting, too, I guess.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
Because this is exactly the attitude O has been taking when visiting foreign countries. America has to be rebuilt because the way we are now does not agree with the European model. And good thing he is around now to guide us in through that. Most of us are way too enterprising and independent for his taste and that's something he is looking to change.
You should really start paying attention....(sm)
to what is said by the president as opposed to the Fixed Noise version. What Obama actually said:
".....we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."
He is absolutely correct. The US is not a theocracy and is therefore not bound by or based on any relgion.
The Fixed Noise version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEF2-a6QBx8
Excuse me, but plenty of us ARE paying
nm
There are other ways of paying taxes.......... sm
than just in your paycheck each week. When the tax goes up on anything, that cost is passed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Wait until cap and trade passes and see if you don't pay not only higher utility bills but also higher grocery costs because the cost of the store's utilities increasing.
Okay, so our income tax is not necessarily going up, but the increase on everything else is more than offsetting any small rebate I see in my paycheck. Heck, even ramen noodles went up from 11 cents to 14 cents per package recently. At that rate, I wonder how long I will be able to afford to eat!
Then you haven't been paying attention to Able Danger. sm
It's a huge story, being ignored by the MSM right now, but investigation is underway.
Started paying attention to Obama right after
nm
Obama says he hates paying taxes
++
Wrong! He gets away with paying cheaper wages
Joe is looking out for Joe, not Bob, Bill, and Brad who are looking for a "good job." Joe will help Joe if he's making that much, believe you me!
I'm saying that a lot of people are not paying taxes now that work -
they owe taxes, but the EIC is enough to wipe out that amount they owe already. It would be the same with the credit he is proposing. He is not saying that only certain people are getting that credit. It is just going to be enough to wipe out what some people owe. Say a person owed $800 and he gave her $1000 - she would get $200 back. But say a person owed $1800 and he gave her $1000, she would then owe only $800.
That's why I say you are just trying to argue - you know what it means... it will do the same thing it does now, only it will cover a larger number of people than it does now.
In case you haven't been paying attention (sm)
Most of the time we (democrats) have only defended our position or raised opposition to off-the-wall posts. If you will look back you will see that most (but not all) of these threads are started by someone posting some crazy link to either a biased website or (and this is my favorite) an email that just happened to come across their desk.
Oh, bull.. dont be gullible. O is paying off his
nm
You don't mind paying for an illegal mortgage?
nm
do you honestly think only these appointees are not paying taxes?
These are only getting caught because they are being thoroughly investigated for their positions. How many do you think are cheating and not getting caught because nobody seems to give a darn at the IRS about the big government people, only us little people who are being taxed to death anyway!
Bush and the Playboy Playmate - Why are taxpayers paying for this?
Bush team backs Anna in fight over fortune
By Inside Track
Tuesday, December 27, 2005
An unlikely fellow Texan has teamed up with Playboy playmate Anna Nicole Smith in her U.S. Supreme Court fight to claim her late husband’s fortune: George Bush!
The Bush administration’s top lawyer, U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement, filed arguments on Smith’s behalf and wants to take part when the case is argued before the justices.
The high court will decide early next year whether to let Clement share time with Smith’s attorney during the one-hour argument on Feb. 28.
Smith, 38, has been desperately trying to collect millions of dollars from the estate of oil tycoon J. Howard Marshall II, whom she married in 1994 when he was 89 and she was a 26-year-old topless dancer in Houston. Marshall died in 1995 and Smith has been in a legal battle with his only son, E. Pierce Marshall, over his fortune ever since.
In previous rulings, federal bankruptcy judge sided with the Trim Spa spokesgal in her claim on the estate, awarding her $474 million, which was subsequently reduced to about $89 million by a federal district judge, and then tossed out altogether by a federal appeals court.
The current issue is the question of when federal courts may hear claims that involve state probate proceedings. Clement contends the justices should protect jurisdiction in disputes.
The zany reality TV star lost in Texas state courts, which found that Marshall’s son was the sole heir to his father’s estate.
Although both Bush and Marshall graduated from Yale University, were both in the oil business and held government positions in Washington, the Bush administration’s filings in the case are strictly technical.
Yeeeeeeee-haaaaaaa!
http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=118756
Any ideas on how paying down too much debt could be a terrorist threat?nm
That way I'M not paying for Shaniqua's 9 kids every time she takes them to the ER.
v
I wouldn't mind making 250K and paying
25% in taxes....
Feds paying $millions in stimulus checks
Next time you make some colossal blunder at work, here's your excuse: "I was rushed". Apparently, that's good enough for the feds, who have sent around 10,000 checks to dead people...some of whom were never even in the Social Security system. Wonder where they're getting the names?
Of course, we knew that the fraud, abuse and waste would be gargantuan since the government has never been able to handle our money without fraud, waste and abuse.
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/your_money/consumer/090514_Dead_People_Get_Stimulus_Checks
Paying close attention. Sidestepping direct debate.
nm
Why is fairness in taxation considered a handout? This isn't welfare... it's paying the right
o
correct, but filing a tax return and paying taxes are two different things
Just because you filled out a form, does not mean you paid in. Some people have enough deductions to get back MORE than they paid in. I know--we did one year. Those people were not excluded from the checks and they also did not pay taxes for the year.
How is giving "tax cuts" to people not paying taxes
nm
Actually I don't think it's fair that smokers bear the brunt of paying for children's healt
And no, I'm not a current smoker. It just seems unfair that a single group should pay for most of the costs. Why not tax soda pop or junk snack food? That's contributing to the childhood obesity episode - and poor health - so why not make those products pay for SCHIP?
Warren Buffett is paying less tax, personally and corporately, than anytime time in his life.
He was interviewed by Charlie Rose last night - excellent interview - but by the time the show was over, my stomach was in knots. I find this very stressful.
I do think that the tax cuts to the rich and corp. America should be reversed. John McCain agreed with this as well early in the summer but I guess his base swayed him to change his stand.
In Buffetts's office, the cleaning lady pays more taxes than he does, he stated.
|
