who woulda guessed you wouldn't be objective...nm
Posted By: cj on 2008-10-29
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Who woulda guessed?
Can't post anything without it goes back to trashing on Obama. Carry on............
What I woulda' done -
To begin with, after 9/11, I would've focused the US's military power and resources solely on AFGHANISTAN... the country that ATTACKED us. I would've made sure we hit them hard, and would not have stopped until Bid Laden had been caputured or killed. Attacking Iraq when there was no need, spreading our recource far too thin, and then leaving the job in Afghanistan unfinished was a foolish & negligent act, in my opinion. And Bin Laden is still alive & free.
What a message to send to the rest of the world: That we can't even successfully retaliate against a 3rd-world country like Afghanistan; that we'll go to war with any country on a whim, whether it's justified or not; and that once at war, we pull the air power out of the picture too soon and leave our ground troops to be picked off daily by snipers & car bombs.
If I were Pres., I'd work to keep Church & State separate, as it states in the Constitution, rather than encouraging religion to infiltrate every part of our government. And I'd have no tolerance for that hate-groups in this country that hide behind the mask of religious beliefs.
I'd work to put an end to large, unscrupulous companies in this country getting all the perks and tax-breaks, while the average US citizen gets further and further in the hole financially. There would be fewer corporate loopholes, and more penalties for the selling of our country's jobs to the lowest bidder.
As was suggested on the news this morning, I'd also launch an investigation into oil & energy speculation, and hopefully have that practice yanked from the stock market.
Regardless of what happens in the oil market, whether it goes higher, or back down again, if I were Pres., I'd have the government offer incentives to scientists, inventors, corporations, the auto & energy industries, ANYONE who can get us on the fast-track to complete freedom from fossil fuel -- not 100 years from now, but in the immediate future. If we can put men on the moon and robots on Mars, there's no reason why we can't have a completely clean and self-sustaining energy system. If we can make hand-held, combination phone/computer/MP3-players the size of a deck of cards or smaller, then why can't we come up with solar panels small, powerful, & inexpensive enough to power our cars, boats, air-conditioners, home appliances, and everything else? This is supposedly a country that can 'do anything', so maybe it's abou time to do just that.
Gee, if I woulda known that, I might
have contributed a few hundred thousand so I could be ambassador of Tobago or Trinidad (NOT!)
We could have guessed this would
have your approval. You have got to be either related to him or on his payroll!
As you should have guessed....(sm)
I'm just going to disagree with most of that...LOL. One thing you should know though, is that (believe it or not) some of the harshest criticism Obama has gotten has come from MSNBC -- in particular Rachel Maddow. The problem Obama has is that he's trying to play "middle of the road" and that's just not possible sometimes. So, naturally the right is picking apart everything he does (just like the left picked apart Bush), but the far left is also having a field day with him -- just on different issues.
Check this one out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30877514
And if you ever wanted to know how MSNBC handles dems who do illegal stuff, check this out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30968650
It ain't pretty....LOL
Your friend probably just guessed
I doubt she would have any credible knowlege. Obama came out of nowhere. The first time I and most other people ever heard of him was when he ran for Senator. I recall the media referring to him as an "up and coming" politician.
The financial collapse just sure came at an opportune time too didn't it? I shudder to think what's ahead. As I've said before, I'll put my faith in God and His will WILL be done in the end.
No! YOU'RE a FREEPER? Never would have guessed!
(Sorry GT, I couldn't resist this one.)
They have to stay objective. It's their job.
One of our family members is a well-known political analyst on t.v. At family functions, we all hear the full-on opinions. Believe me, reporters are human, and they certainly do have their opinions! But their job isn't to discuss their own point of view. It is amazing, though, isn't it? I don't think I could control myself if I had to interview some of these people!
Objective?? ROFL.....
that being said....wow. I invite everyone to read this speech and replace Republican, Redneck, religious right-winger with Jew. Hitler could have made this speech. What nasty, vitrolic hate speech. This is what the democratic party has become.
Whew.
From an objective observer.
nothing further to add to te nothingness of this post
I guessed I missed the "hate" part that others ..sm
are accusing you of. I agree with you - and it's your right to monitor the music and celebrities your child admires.
I taught my children tolerance - but also that they did not have to approve of everything and everyone's behavior - politically correct or not.
I steered mine away from Madonna and Spears.
Being an objective observer, the repugnants appear to be the most evil.
Defend the republican party all you want with your self-righteousness, but in the end the republican party will always be a party that represents big business and the rich.
You religious right wingers, rednecks who were undereducated and/or raised by a long line of redneckers will never get it so I won't even address you as your perception of reality is hopelessly distorted.
However, I will say that, anyone who makes under 250 grand a year and who votes for the republican tick is a fool.
This next presidential term will all be about taxes now that Georgie has sold out the country to foreign lands to pay for his war and cover his tax cuts to the wealthy, and someone's taxes are going to be raised and if you vote republican and earn less than 250 grand, it will be YOURS.
Funding under republicans will also be cut to social services and that means more crime, and if your town is like mine, police and fire departments are laying off due to budget cuts - hey, what an oxymoron, cutting police forces while fighting terrorism.
Republicans are not for the people whatever you say. They pander to the religious right and those high school drop out rednecks for the votes. Abortion is and always will happen as it has since the beginning of time and I don't think you will ever stop it from happening. You can try to romanticize reproduction all you want but in this world, as we watch babies starving, dying from curable disease and, even raped, it just doesn't hold water.
Republicans are as evil as greed is evil.
Your arguments are weak as always.
gourdpainter objective,fair, straightforward and
There is absolutely nothing offensive about what she said or how she said it. She is right. I don't know her age, but I suspect she is (like I am) old enough to recall the devastating losses via political assassinations of our past civil leaders.
1. Medgar Evers, NAACP field secretary, June 12, 1963 by KKK member.
2. JFK November 22, 1963.
3. Malcolm X, February 21, 1965.
4. MLK April 4, 1968.
5. RFK June 5, 1968.
6. Fred Hampton, December 1969.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with any of their political views, the fact remains that these Americans gave their lives fighting for the beliefs they held most dear and in their own ways, were all striving to make our country...your country...a better place.
Four out of six were black leaders, one a president, the other a presidential candidate. In hindsight, it is plain to see that there were common threads shared by each and all in terms of their circumstances and their times. That common tie was hate speech and bigotry. We would like to tell ourselves, "that was then and this is now," but for those of us who lived through it, I can tell you it is never really very far behind us.
The scenes I see at these rallies and the words I read on this forum are chilling reminders that we must never forget those days, that time and the losses we suffered. To some of you who think you are being smart or cute or somehow take pride and pleasure in your thoughtless, juvenile, petty one-ups-manship, I tell you now, along with the gourdpainter, you do not realize what it is you are doing. This is not about a candidate, a platform, a party or an election. This is about the preservation of human dignity and human life. She is absolutely right to say that should anything happen to Obama of this nature, his blood will be on your hands and all the denial in the universe will not change that fact.
Good Source for (more) objective news
http://www.democracynow.org/
No objective person can state with 100% certainty what happened 9-11-2001.
Some believe what they were told via news, some believe the new presentation of facts, theories, evidence, and logic. I believe that al-Quaeda terrorist attacked the US on 9-11. I take to the conspiracy theories with a grain of salt, until different is proven to be true. Out of all of the theories and logic presented, the one unanswered question is why was the bin Laden family allowed to flee America the day after the attacks??? It's at least one piece of the puzzle that doesn't fit and to me the American public has not gotten a satisfactory answer. Heck, most don't even know or care.
On a lighter note, have you seen The Seige starring Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis? Released in 1998 and eerily similar to post 9-11.
I wouldn't want to be on the
O'Reilly Factor either. Bill O'Reilly never lets the people talk. He is always cutting them off to speak his opinion. Kind of annoying really. I am no Obama supporter, but I think as a person in general.....I wouldn't want to be on his show. If people have opposing ideas....fine....but let them talk.....stop talking over them. 
Wouldn't we all??
LOL in regards to Christmas, very few people actually celebrate the *true* meaning anymore. Our neighbor has already put their lights up for heaven's sake!
Do Jews believe that he was crucified? I mean is it up until the resurrection that is disagreed with? Or is that just based on who you are talking to?
I mean my belief is that Jesus died and rose again and he had to die for our sins to pay our sin debt so we can go to heaven. I also believe he is the only way to heaven, because if not then it was senseless for him to die. But I do believe he is coming back and we will be gathered with him and after the tribulation heaven will be here on earth and those who didn't believe will be "ashes under our feet" as the Bible says.
I know that a lot of "Christians" now don't believe all of the Bible, or believe there are errors, which just amazes me, but hey, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. To me God cannot lie, and if God said the Bible is the Truth, well, it's the Truth then.
I'm sorry if I got heated before. I am a new Christian (I was baptized last November, but I would say I didn't get serious until January) and I knew before that a lot of people are against Christianity (in general) but it amazes me how so many people are just downright hateful about it! I mean yes, I can understand, because there are a lot of hypocritical Christians, a lot of Christians who profess Jesus and then go out into the world and do the same old things they used to, and those were my very same arguments before I believed in Him. But I have met so many more Christians that are just CONCERNED! I mean do people not understand that our belief in Jesus is just as strong as our belief that a chair is really there when we go to sit in it?
I'm ranting again. But what I was discussing with you I am just curious because it seems like Jews and Christians agree on a lot up until the point of whether Jesus was Messiah or not. I guess my biggest question is why don't they believe he is the Messiah?
I wouldn't know.
Since we've never cared enough about the average American to try universal healthcare. We could probably find out how it works from the Iraqis, though, since part of Bush's war budget was to provide comprehensive universal healthcare to THEM.
It's sad that some people are okay with paying for Wall Street crooks to get richer and richer.
We're all about greed, greed, greed. Even with all the publicity about Bush's bailouts, I just heard on the news that the end-of-year bonuses are still in place for the Wall Street crooks.
Seems to me that when a government runs around and buys up banks, that's FASCISM, so if we move to SOCIALISM (which will never happen and which is a ridiculous statement), that move will be a giant step UP from what we have now.
I'm sick and tired of eight years of greed. By the looks of things, the majority of Americans are sick of it, as well, which gives me some hope for what is left of humanity.
Obama is right. "Trickle down" hasn't worked. It's time to try "trickle UP."
Well of course! Why wouldn't I? I, too, am
LOL
I wouldn't be so sure about that
The Catholic heads are really pushing this issue, as are a lot of other Christian leaders. Most people don't like either candidate (like me), but they'd rather vote for the one that settles their conscience.
Add that to the fact that Americans like their guns and McCain has a strong chance. He's really been coming up in the poles (not sure if it'll be enough, though).
You would think so, wouldn't you....sm
or at least grouped by party, which wouldn't really be fair to the minor parties because they would probably wind up on the back of the ticket. I have never used a "punch" voting machine, so I am not familiar with the way that they are read, but wouldn't there be a chance the name punched on the back could be read as being for a candidate that appears on the front of the ballot?
I wouldn't say......... sm
that I'm "un-narrow", DB, because I am probably about as narrow as they come short of those who bomb abortion clinics, etc., but I do understand what you are saying. I appreciate you understanding my point as well.
Wouldn't this have all come up
when his background investigation was done when he was elected Senator? If there was truly a birth certificate issue, I am sure it would have come up during the DSS (Defense Security Service) investigation process.
I wouldn't go that far...lol..(sm)
While Obama is very popular worldwide, he still has to prove himself. I believe he will do an excellent job, but we have a lot of work to do yet.
No, actually they wouldn't do that...(sm)
Keep in mind that Reid was actually trying to stop him from getting into the Senate but couldn't find any legal grounds to do so, and it was both pubs and dems doing the investigation into Blago. Dems don't want him in the senate anymore than the pubs do. From our point of view, he's a has been and can't win an election.
If you want to talk about those all important votes for the stiumulus package, you might want to check out how long pubs have been holding up Franken in Minnesota with court battles. How many times do they plan on counting that vote anyway?
They certainly wouldn't be
let off easy and appointed to a government position. Normal people not paying taxes would not only have to pay their taxes but the interest as well. We would go under. Government wouldn't help us or give us a pass like so many in Washington who haven't paid their taxes. Makes me sick. Such double standards. And they wonder why we don't trust them to run our country and why we don't want government to get bigger than it is. sheesh.
Normally I wouldn't do that, but...(sm)
a good rule of thumb to remember is this: If you're going to try to insult someone's intelligence, then you should at least try to be literate in the process.
Love the definition, BTW.
Of course you don't. They wouldn't put up with you in a
And they tolerate almost everyone.
Why wouldn't it be?
Not trying to argue, but wouldn't any bill the Congress would submit have to be signed by the president? (And then, behind everyone's back, the signing statement "magically" appears after the signing, sometime without anyone knowing unless they specifically looked for it.)
For example, Bush signed the "no torture" bill and then later added, basically, "unless I want to."
Why would this bill be any different? Again, not trying to argue. I'm just trying to learn the difference between those two examples and what I'm missing here. 
Why wouldn't you?
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They wouldn't be any better if they were
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And owning a gun wouldn't have help either one of them.
That's the point.
Wouldn't suprise me none.nm
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You wouldn't be someone AKA DixieDew, are you? If so,
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Wouldn't surprise me if he still is.
Nothing the Bush administration does surprises me any more.
It wouldn't matter what we said.
Their reaction would be the same. I suppose I could have raged against a thousand perceived wrongs, assumed that everyone knew my history, and called a poster who dared to question -what makes you think we haven't- as some kind of insensitive heartless slam. The real truth is much deeper and darker than that. I am not quite sure why people choose to tell their deepest darkest secrets on chat boards. Is it so that later on, someone might forget something they never knew, in order to attack that person with out of control fury, as some on this board are wont to do. Of course, my sympathy goes out ot anyone who loses a loved one NO MATTER WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY DIED. But perhaps my sympathy should be more reserved for those who feel the need to constantly attack, denigrate, misinterpret (deliberately?), hound, and judge those who challenge an ideal. Having said that, I find some on here who post disturbed. Merry Christmas to all. My last post here. If anyone cares to respond, I will not see it.
I wouldn't worry about it
Honestly, I think the last thing he needs to worry about is Hillary. I doubt he will get into the White House to begin with. The Rethugs will do anything to put a stop to that. I think they are the bigger threat in this picture.
No I don't. But it wouldn't make me any less of a
"real woman" if I did. Just curious here, are you male or female?
i wouldn't go down that road
When you start knocking down spouses, but especially children, of politicians that's pretty low. Not all families "look similar". My BIL was not his father's son, but he claims he looks the most like his father. There is a definite non-resemblance there but he doesn't see it.
As for Chelsea? Oh please, I've heard her speak and she is too infatuated with her mother and how great she thinks her mother is she doesn't understnad the issues, and she doesn't sound all too intelligent. Makes me wonder where that education money went her parents spent on her education.
I think McCain's daughter is a pretty and doesn't look "challenged" as you call it, but to start commenting on who you think is pretty or not pretty or whose hair color is nice or not nice. I woun't go down that road, cos we could really get into Hillary's hair color and others.
Wouldn't be the first time he has
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I wouldn't want my 15-yr-old granddaughter going to
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Get in that last word! Wouldn't want you to
Sam's a republican through-&-through. Wouldn't be
All that trumpting of his own virtue & intelligence and all. He doesn't seem to get it that NOBODY reading this forum, no matter what candidate they believe in, is going to change their point of view based on what they read here. And most CERTAINLY not because of anything the oh-so-self-important, omnipotent (or maybe IMpotent?) Sam has written here.
And who wouldn't? She's an embarrassment
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Wouldn't it be cool if you could get EVERY
to BOYCOTT the election and NOT VOTE AT ALL. PERIOD.
Hold the election for ransom, and our demand would be to STOP THE 'BAIL-OUT', and just let nature take its course with the death of Wall Street.
Well you wouldn't want Obama then, right????
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You wouldn't know a fact if it came up
According to Revelations 21:8, there is a special place in hell for liars:
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Wouldn't it be great.......
to have all these wonderful things -- healthcare, food, clothing, housing, heat/air, transportation, all without paying for it. FREE is great! Now, how do you pay for it?
We wouldn't think of it. You are wasting enough
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I wouldn't necessarily believe
the polls they are reporting anyway, all over the board, and I believe they are manipulating the whole election.
Big businesses........well they wouldn't have to
if we'd stop taxing the crap out of them. This country taxes the crap out of businesses at an alarming rate, when they can go to places like Ireland and have an 11% tax rate. They go to other countries where they don't have to pay those ridiculous taxes. That's the entire problem here. MORE TAXES! Those companies that do stay here, in order to cover their HIGH TAXES, charge you more to cover it for them. That's the point some of us have been trying to make. Obama wants to raise their taxes and I can guarantee you those that are still here will be gone in a flash. YOu get stuck on this big business hiring cheap labor. Well, they would be hiring you if your government would stop taxing the crap out of them.
That's what McCain has said during this entire campaign. STOP TAXING THE CRAP OUT OF THEM and stop running them off and we'll have more jobs brought back here. OBama says TAX TAX TAX them some more and they'll help pay for all of us. BULL!!! Those corporations won't pay him taxes. They up the cost of products and we pay it for them. Obama knows that. This man is a crook through and through....believe what you want. You darn right businesses want huge tax breaks? Wouldn't you? Oh well, maybe not. After all, O lovers love more taxes.
If you're so worried about the little guy who pays too much for his goods, then why not ask Obama why he wants to raise taxes on those very businesses who will turn right around and put them off on you, making everything you buy even higher!
And since you're so down on the big businesses, though I'm not sure what you call big business, who do you think hires everyone else? Poor people? You won't have to worry about the unemployment rate if O gets in there. He'll have taxed and mandated them right out of business and out of this country. The businesses that WILL be hurt are the very businesses you count on day to day and you don't even know who they are. I do. My husband works for one of them. They don't have a big name but they are the very reason you have your grocery store shelves with food on them and many other products. People that think like you don't have a clue all the businesses you use every day that are NOT rich, but they help sustain the very community you live in. They can employ anywhere from 10-200 people and believe me, that is NOT a RICH business but Obama will tax the businesses right out of business. They cannot afford all those mandates and garbage policies he wants to throw in there.
The florist in your town. Well, they're gonna close. They would fall into that MEAN RICH BUNCH all of you hate so much, as well as so many other companies you depend on every day. You've just got your mind so focused on the hugely large corporations, you can't see past that.
Well, when your town starts laying off hundreds at a time from all those businesses you thought you detested but then realize too late those aren't the ones you were thinking about, maybe you'll see it differently then.
Everyone is so focused on all the Wall Street crowd, they have failed to realize that crowd won't be hurting at all. You will and all those businesses that keep you and your community alive and well.
This is the fault of dems and republicans alike, not just one side.
You want to talk shafted, just wait till your local A/C guy can't even run his business because Obama has deemed him "RICH".
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