vacation in Pakistan?
Posted By: McClain on 2008-09-24
In Reply to: means he went on vacation ... - wowzer
Now I'm starting to worry . . .
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Is Pakistan in Europe?
Just wondering...
It didn't say he grew up in Pakistan
Big difference.
What on earth does the Taliban in Pakistan....
getting stronger have to do with the war in Iraq? That has to do with the war in Afghanistan, which, by the way, Obama never said he would end, in fact, he wants to escalate, which he has. The war in Iraq was the one he vowed to put an end to...you don't remember the speech? "We do not belong there, we never belonged there, and when I am elected I will begin immediate withdrawal." Yeah..uh huh. Then he moved it out to 16 months. And he has moved it out again to 24 months. Your golden idol has clay feet, my friend. You are so blinded by the "light" you just can't see it, and I cannot decide if that is plain old denial or if you really are that naive. :-)
Wrong! Indonesia as a child not Pakistan. nm
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Obama visited Pakistan in 1981...
http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EBAB74DA8F94C559!5351.entry
1981 - Obama Visits Pakistan When All Non-Muslim Vistors Unwelcome - Bin Laden There, Too
The following asks a lot of good questions about Obama's supposedly "innocent" visit to Pakistan in 1981. One thing not asked is whether we know exactly how long he was there? Campaign mangers are known to lie a lot, especially when a troublesome issue arises. And where is our major media on this? Quiet!!!!!!
At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Ca., Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., claimed he had more world experience than his rivals, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and introduced a new bit of biographical information. "Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post. "It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries' -- I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then -- you go." "You do that in eighty countries," Obama said, "You don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee." (But later he says the USA has 58 states and he's been to 57 of them, not counting Hawaii and Alaska. I guess he knows Muslims better than Americans, he certainly is not picking 58 out of the air, what about 58 relates to Muslims?) This last part -- a college trip to Pakistan -- was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn't hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign. So I asked the Obama campaign for more information. Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India. NOW, It all sounds very innocent, "a college trip to Pakistan".
Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets. One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).
Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.
The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:
To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".
For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.
In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.
Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.
Get over yourself. He was on vacation.
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Actually, he really was on vacation.
Rode bikes and had barbecues, sounds like vacation to me. Played a few rounds of golf in the morning on the day he was scheduled to go to Mississippi to survey the damage. Then Rove instructs the MSM to keep playing up the fact he cut his vacation short - what a lying hoot! He didn't cut one minute short. He went back to Washington on the day he was SCHEDULED to come back - on Wednesday, the same day Sheehan planned to leave Crawford. Just shows how desperate they are to try to fool the people into believing that he actually gives a fig, that they have to lie like that to cover up his apathy.
Heck, this perpetually vacationing president is a joke worldwide - even Hugo Chavez knows the scoop. No one has forgotten how he left another vacation - flew immediately from Crawford in the middle of the night no less! - for and EMERGENCY session of Congress (which was actually two people) to address the Schiavo situation. Taking political advantage perhaps? We think so. Hundreds of thousands dead and dying ain't worth a rush back to Washington where America expects its president to be. I don't care how you try to spin it - it looks BAD. And everyone is noticing.
vacation
Hey Big Bad - I agree with you most of the time - and I will miss your posts. Hope you have a wonderful vaction.
Yep, pretty dumb to claim you have foreign policy experience from 3 weeks in Pakistan!!!...
Obama started off saying he was confident in his FOREIGN POLICY experience ("Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain"). He then proceeded to talk about his visit to Pakistan.
SO WHAT? I visited and lived in several foreign countries, too. Does that mean I understand foreign policy better than someone who may have spent less time but has had actual interaction and policy discussions with those countries' leaders? And with the leaders of 80 countries?
If 3 weeks in Pakistan is the extent of Obama's foreign policy credentials, then I am way more qualified on the "foreign policy" front.
My point is that Obama's claim is ridiculous. Better that he stick to his "better judgement" mantra, since the "3 weeks abroad = foreign policy experience" is just pathetically weak.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html
Vacation, yeah right
No president ever takes a vacation.
Now let's talk about the rest of Washington, D.C. where all the congress and senate are on vacation, but because Bush moves the operation to the Oval Office South you think he's drinking umbrella-ed drinks and getting massages. Not even close.
You like that phrase it seems. He WAS on vacation. sm
I don't know where you have been but he has been making speeches about the Hurricaine all weekend before it even hit and pledged support, etc. So obviously, he may have been officially on vacation, but he wasn't in any way. Do you watch TV. He's been all over it. Get over your own bad self.
Stumped about where to go on vacation?
Problem solved! Grab your passports, pack up the kids and go to The Other Iraq where there are less than 200 coalition troops stationed! Guaranteed fun time for all.
(Click on The Other Iraq at bottom of page, 512K worked well on my computer.)
http://www.theotheriraq.com/
That is his vacation home
Or should I say his $10 million retreat in New Hampshire. His legal residence is a big colonial in Massachusetts. You know, the one where he had the illegal immigrants doing his lawn work. I actually voted for McCain today just so I could vote against this guy.
means he went on vacation ...
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Have a good vacation
I don't think I ever agree with you on politics, but I always agree with you on religion. I always like a stimulating conversation (or argument if it leads to that) HA HA.
Everyone deserves a good vacation so have yourself a good time.
Enjoy your vacation......and as a poster down below said.....
I may not agree with your postings all the time, but I love reading them.
Hope you have nice weather if you are going a long distance.
Did the NYT try to 'out Cheney and Rumsfelds vacation homes?' sm
Right wingers must only not believe in conspiracy theories when they are brought up by what they percieve as the left. Because many of them believe the NYT is conspiring with al-Queda against America.
Yeah.
I first saw the vacation homes of John Kerry and Pres Bush on VH1. I think they had Cheneys on there too during the 2004 presidential campaign. Were these treasonous acts as well. Come on, the VP, Rumsfeld and their wives shopping spots are not top secret information. If these folks were not so serious about this, it would be funny.
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Taken from DemocraticUnderground.com
Yes, the right is actually accusing the NYT of deliberately trying to get Rumsfeld and Cheney offed. Yesterday the Times published a perfectly innocuous fluff piece in their Friday Escapes section about the town of St. Michael's where R and C both have summer homes. It showed (gasp) photos of the driveway entrances to both houses. It was a typical travel type article, full of information about crabcakes and bed and breakfast establishments, but the idiots across the right wing web are in full howl, spurred on by the loathsome David Horowitz who wrote an article in front page magazine, accusing the NYT of giving directions to Jihadists so that they could assasinate Cheney and Rumsfeld. (Let me add, that I've read dozens of pieces about the Cheney Rumsfeld home purchases in the last year. The NYT hardly broke new ground with this article)
This full bore attack on the NYT is looking more and more orchestrated. Alas, a fair number of people on the left persist in believing that the NYT is an apparatus of the administration.
I find this unrelenting attack on the Times, and by extension on ALL of the press, more than a little disturbing, and wonder if it's not a harbinger of dangerous restrictions on the first amendment.
On vacation and not watching the news, thanks. I don't spend all my time sm
watching politics so I guess I missed it.
Yeah, just heard today he decided to cut his vacation short to deal with the
huricaine. Sheesh.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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