too late, Bush has already taken care of that
Posted By: pw on 2008-10-14
In Reply to: Still a better choice than Obama, who will put the - country from recession to depression.nm
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Bush doesn't care anything
about terrorists. If he did, he'd START by securing our borders to help keep them out. Instead, governors are forced to declare states of emergencies because BUSH DOESN'T CARE.
Instead, we are now dealing with terrorists who are much better at their "trade" now, gratis Bush, who has enabled them to hone their skills in Iraq. I personally think Bin Laden should send Bush a thank you note. Iraq was NOT a terrorist's haven before it was invaded by America. Bush did that.
We are DEFINITELY less safe, and we're losing the respect of the entire world a little more every day, especially with the likes of Pat Robertson and those of his ilk publicly advocating the assassination of a president of another country.
I want our borders sealed so these animals can't get in here. And when they do get in because our president couldn't care less if Americans die, I want them KILLED. I have no sympathy for terrorists, and the fact that some people on this board think if someone is liberal and against this unethical war, they love terrorists. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and these people apparently believe it. Nobody can debate or reason with skewed thinking like that.
The best we can do on this board is to continue to politely, intelligently debate with and inform each other of issues, ignore the ones who want to do nothing but start trouble, and maybe the respect and intelligence and civility will bore them to tears and they'll go back to ripping wings off of baby birds or whatever fun stuff they do to pass the time.
You mean a watery grave like those that Bush took care of?
Just when I think you can't be any more stupid, you outdo yourself.
This thread is about a Republicant who posted a total LIE about Ted Kennedy and how many Katrina survivors are moving to Massachusetts.
If you don't like it here and you are so fed up, why don't you spare yourself the discomfort and go back to your stinky, stenchy Conservative board and take a swim in THAT murky water?
Who's going to explain to your son that Bush couldn't care less
what happens to him AFTER he gets home, God willing that he is fortunate enough to get home in one piece!
Full funding for veterans health care in the future – Senator Durbin supports permanent, mandatory funding for veterans health care. He believes that veterans health care is an earned benefit that shouldn’t be subject to political deal-making. To accomplish this, he has co-sponsored the Assured Funding for Veterans Health Care Act of 2005 which makes Veterans health a “must fund” item so that it not subject to the cuts and shortages of the annual discretionary budget process.
Responding to Administration Failure to Adequately Fund Veterans Health Now – The Bush Administration requested more than $80 Billion in supplemental funding for war related costs in 2005 but not one extra penny for veterans. Senator Durbin found this to be unacceptable and supported an amendment offered by Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) to the 2005 Iraq supplemental spending bill to increase funding for veterans by $2 billion. The Murray amendment included a proposal by Senator Durbin to expand VA treatment capability for veterans suffering from Post-traumatic stress disorder. The amendment was defeated, with Republican leaders and the Bush Administration arguing that closing the VA funding gap was not an emergency. Just weeks later, the VA admitted that it was indeed more than $1 Billion short of needed funds in the current year and would be short for the next year as well. Durbin joined Murray and others in responding with renewed legislation for added funds for the VA and this time the measure was passed.
Helping veterans suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder – Senator Durbin continues to push for additional VA funding and staff to help veterans suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. According to the Government Accountability Office (GAO) officials at six of the seven VA facilities visited by the GAO said they might not be able to meet the demands for PTSD treatment of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Welcome Home G.I. Bill, increased health care, education and financial support for veterans – Senator Durbin introduced the “Welcome Home GI Bill” which, like the original G.I. Bill offered at the end of World War II, will provide a package of benefits for returning veterans to ease their transition to civilian life. This bill would provide up to five years of health coverage for veterans who have no other insurance, as well as $5,000 tax-free for a home down payment. It also roughly doubles current levels of veterans’ educational benefits to $75,000 over four years.
Protecting veterans from harsh new bankruptcy rules – Senator Durbin sponsored a successful amendment to exempt from the harsh “means test” of the new federal bankruptcy law those disabled veterans whose debts are incurred primarily while they were serving on active duty. This successful addition to the new law provides protection
Concurrent Receipt of Both Retirement and Disability Payments – Senator Durbin feels strongly that military retired pay should not be reduced because a military retiree is also eligible for veterans' disability compensation awarded for a service-connected disability. Currently, a retiree can only receive both benefits in full if he or she is 50% or more disabled. To improve this situation, Senator Durbin has co-sponsored the Retired Pay Restoration Act (S. 558) which allows the receipt of both military retired pay and veterans' disability compensation with respect to any service-connected disability.
Senator Durbin Works to Help the Families of
Fallen Service Members
Increased support for surviving spouses and children of fallen service members – With Senator Mike DeWine (R-OH), Senator Durbin is pushing for substantial increases in health, education and financial benefits for surviving spouses and children of service members who die serving our nation. Their bill, S. 21, calls for increasing the “death gratuity” from $12,500 to $100,000; increasing the monthly compensation for surviving spouses to $1,500 per month plus an additional $750 per month for each surviving child. It provides surviving children with no-cost health care until they are turn 21 (23 if they are in school). And it increases education benefits for children and spouses to $80,000 each. Senator Durbin has been adamant that the increased death gratuity should be paid to the families who lose loved ones due to either combat or non-combat deaths.
Military Retiree Survivor Benefit Equity Act of 2005 – Senator Durbin is a co-sponsor of this bill which allows the spouse of a retired military member who dies from a service connected disability to receive benefits from both Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) paid by the Veteran's Administration and the military in the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP). Currently the law forbids surviving families from receiving both benefits in full. |
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If I had any I would, Bush took care of that, but I don't expect you to get the facts.
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So now the health care is Bush's fault? Hummmmmm....sm
I seem to recall that someone named Clinton ran largely on a platform to redo the health care plan, but of course, no one on the left ever remembers that. Bush is suddenly responsible for every sin including original sin.
who could possibly care? War, financial ruin, health care needs.
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Too little, too late ?????
I was clarifying my position. Are you not the one who **doesn't need a mother spouting moral holier-than-thou sermons** and the one who is **sick of it.** Telling me too little to late, you can't backpeddle now, the damage is done!!! Are you serious??? What damage, to whom, what backpeddling??. If you are reading my post as an apology you are mistaken. It was just clarification to Observer's post where she said she did not understand why I thought the president should not be there...and I answered her that was not what I meant.
I know it's too late now
But does anyone else look at these two candidates for president and think, This is it? The best the United States has to offer?
For that matter, I thought the same thing before the primaries. I don't know if any of these yahoos has what it takes.
It's sad, really.
I think it is too late
to save him. His choice of her shows impulsivity and pandering. People are aware of these characteristics now. Sarah will contribute to his defeat at the hands of the voters, but she is not responsible for it.
Also, too little, too late . . .
there is absolutely no sincerity in McCain's efforts to now try to undo the damage he has done. He is so insincere that his own supporters don't believe him now. He is the one that encouraged this mob fervor in the first place and now he had literally created monstors!
Sorry so late.
No they don't supply BK, at least not at this time.
It's a little late in the game, isn't it?
It's late...never mind nm
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At this point, I think it is too late.
They WILL steal the election, but I am voting for McCain anyway. Absolutely disgraceful what is going on.
Late term...(sm)
If the infant is able to survive outside the womb, then it would fall on the physician to do whatever possible to save that life (even if that includes refusing to do an abortion), just like any other. I don't think you'll find too many docs who will actually do abortions that late because it's increasingly dangerous for the mother. I think most clinics only go up to about 15 or 16 weeks anyway. I do think that if you are going to have an abortion it should be done in a timely manner anyway for the mother's health. I also believe that if the mother's life is in danger from the pregnancy, a late-term abortion may be necessary. And then there's the money. I wonder how many people have to opt for late-term abortions because it takes them that long to get the money for the abortion. Yet another reason to add in abortion to family planning services.
This was in the late 70s early 80s
As far as I know, none of my friends slept with these students. One of the guys used to come up to our hometown and spend the night and never ever acted like he was interested in "conquering" my friend or I. We were all just friends. maybe the times were different?
Keep your hate - you are much too late
http://www.bornagainamerican.org/
Am I too late to vote?? AGAINST!!!
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This is a little late, but here is my opinion
Gore is a sore loser and should keep his mouth shut. He is still bitter over losing the election and every time he opens his mouth it shows. He was worthless as VP and even more worthless now. His whole life is based on lies he creates thinking everyone is so stupid they will believe him. Nothing he has to say is of any significance and if he crawled back into the hole he crawled out of the world would be a better place.
Gore has no right to criticize anything anyone has to say.
He talks about policies being un-American? What I consider un-American is putting out the lies about global warming, while he rides around with his enterage (sp?) of limos, SUVs, and planes. And is trying to bank off of this farce he is creating, and just so happens the companies that you buy (or whatever it is you do) with the carbon credits...he gains financially from.
I'm certainly no Cheney fan, but Gore critizing him???? I wish Mr. Hore would just go away.
Probably a little too late........ but have a great vac, ! nm
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But that's the whole McCain strategy of late! sm
Keep repeating the same lies and half-truths over and over in spite of the facts, and some people will believe it. Oh, and make sure to keep people really, really afraid. That always works well for Republicans too.
Hey, it worked for George W. Bush, and here we are, 8 years later, with Karl Rove and friends at it again now, this time for McCain. "Country First"? More like "party first" and "winning first" for McCain.
A day late and a dollar short......
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I think it is way too late now to make a change...sm
I think that McCain was not allowed to pick who he wanted to be his running mate and pressured by the extreme right wing of the republican party to choose her, most likely men thinking that her choice would win over democrat and independent women. Big mistake. I think if he was still the old John McCain, he probably could have gotten Colin Powell as his running mate. I hope Obama appoints him to secretary of defense or secretary of state in his administration.
It's getting late and the lack of information
way more time than I have at the moment to address. Obama spent much time in Kenya in an OFFICIAL capacity....sent there while serving on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I will be expanding on this tomorrow and look forward to the slam dunk that a few tiny facts will exact on this trash you are trying to peddle.
My late husband is buried
next to a plot where unborn fetuses (is that the plural????) are born. Very sad. Those parents keep flowers on the little graves. Obviously those were unborn children who were wanted by their parents.
Last I heard late last night was
Supposedly car companies are just "burning" up money each month. We need more economic and fuel efficient cars NOW, but car companies are saying it will take 2 years. Car companies as of right now do not have enough money for the end of this quarter and money will be dried up. No purchasing cars through lenders and so on. Pelosi and her crew do not know what do. If car companies are bailed out now, they will probably have to be bailed out again and again for the next 2 years. If Pelosi allows to keep bailing out the car companies, next will be the airlines and so on. Pelosi might decide to just let car companies bankrupt. That will be hundreds of thousands of jobs gone along with lawyers, human resources, paper product companies, and everything related to car companies. Sounds like we are heading for The Great Depression. This was all on CNMBC news late last night. I AM NOT FOR DOOM AND GLOOM, but I do look at facts and not through rose colored glasses. It is utter chaos. I personally hope car companies do get bailed out. I have never owned a foreign made car. But if we bail them out, that means airlines next and so on. That will come from us or added onto the deficit.
Kendra, sorry. It's late for me and I was being a little sarcastic.
I apologize. I know what you meant. Didn't mean it, really. Forgive me?
Late Night Politics
I don't really think that Leno is conservative. He's a good friend of the Arnold the Governator, but I think that it is more on a personal level than political. Keep in mind, also, that these guys have teams of writers so while they approve the joke, they don't necessarily represent solely their opinion, and anybody who thinks that Leno's humor is conservative, clearly missed the last 8 years of Bush jokes and the Dan Quayle jokes that still pop up.
I had not watched Letterman when he was in the time slot following Carson, but when he first went to CBS, I used to. However, his 'humor' got to be where it just seemed very mean-spirited, and while it had a certain shock value to it and was maybe funny the first time in an adolescent kind of way, it wasn't long before I couldn't stomach it anymore and made the switch to Leno, where I had stayed. Conan has his moments and is probably the least political of the 3, but while not mean-spirited, his humor does sometimes come across as very juvenile, pull-my-finger type stuff (although he does some skits about his Taurus that had me rolling on the floor).
Political humor at the expense of the kids has been around for a while, but fortunately is rarely brought out. If I recall correctly, Chelsea Clinton took some pretty big hits, and there may have even been a few Amy Carter jokes (but that's a little further back than I can trust my memory). If I also recall correctly, Saturday Night Live was where a lot of the early political child barbs came from. I think Bristol Palin has put herself out there in the public eye so I'm not opposed to her getting a few shots, but Letterman's were in exceedingly poor taste. Then again, Letterman has been endorsed by Howard Stern, so I guess the crudeness comes as no surprise.
Excellent post!!!! - sorry I'm a little late saying so.
Just read it. Thanks for the reply.
You're a little late to the party...(sm)
I do believe the dicussion is already over.
These late night political events
are just killing me. I keep staying up to watch and then I stay up later to hear the media discuss everything. Why must this stuff be so addicting? I know I should just go to bed because it will be repeated 1,000 times the next day......but I can't help myself. I'm going to go hook up my coffee IV to keep me awake this morning.
Getting late. Change name line to read
see message in above post.
It's gettin' kinda late, but you got me LMAO.
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I post late at night, and count the NEXT day as #1)
Only one problem. This happened in late December
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European nations waking up all too late.....we seem
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You're a little late worrying about the reporters...
They were found guilty on June 8.
"US President Barack Obama has said he is "deeply concerned" by North Korea's reported sentencing of two US journalists to 12 years' hard labour.
The US was working through all channels to secure their release, a spokesman for Mr Obama said.
The journalists, Euna Lee and Laura Ling, were found guilty of "hostile acts" and illegal entry into North Korea, state media reported."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8089290.stm
Oldtimer, it is used in late-term abortions. To get rid of babies.
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Well, I care. I also care about the constitution.nm
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Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
GP, I like your sense of humor.
Yeah right. Served under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II
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Stop bringing up Bush - this post was not about Bush
I even said we have had some good presidents and some bad ones, but this post was not about Bush. It was about Obama. Yes Bush was one of the worst presidents I'm not arguing with you on that one, but everytime anyone brings up something about our current president they are shot back with Bush this or Bush that and on things that have nothing to do with what the current topic is about. Again, this was not about Bush. It was about Obama.
Oh, more "blame Bush" - except Bush didn't send these out, now did he?
Here's a news flash for you since you apparently haven't heard: BUSH IS NOT IN OFFICE and just today Gallup did a poll showing that THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THINK OBAMA SHOULD START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON HIS WATCH.
G E T A C L U E.
Bush is gone, YEA!!! and yeah, it could darn well be Bush! LOL.
Chimp boy!! But, the cartoon is NOT about Bush, now is it? Give me a break.
George Bush HIMSELF makes it so easy to make fun of George Bush!!!! oh where would I start, so litt
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I don't really care. sm
It just seems it has been carried on long enough. I would rather just debate. It sounds more like a grudge, but as I said, just my 2 cents.
I don't really care!!! SM
All of you all need to stay over here and try and find some topics to discuss like is happening tonight.
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