so posting ***** instead of profanity is

• MTs and Politics - Stardust
  • What mean and hateful things you say... - Kendra
    • Kendra, the poster said nothing wrong... you are - Mrs. M
      • so..Mrs. M - Kendra
      • so posting ***** instead of profanity is - Kendra
        • I filled in the blanks s/m - gourdpainter
          • I agree Gourd!!! nm - Mike W
          • that is kind of funny-- - Kendra
            • LOL now you've got my imagination running wild! LOL - gourdpainter
      • Funny that the moderator disagrees - with you -- you must like being
  • Keep it about the politics. Argue, fight it out... - Javabean
  • Wow - sbMT
    • Christianity - Renee
      • when you look to what theologians say - sm
        • that is too funny - haha
          • not if you read it all - and understand
      • what? - me
        • it is an interpretation - haha
    • I don't read the bible - Dee
      • Since you are so sure of yourself, what - some of we bible
        • I am very sure of myself - Dee
          • I am very sure of myself - Joanne
          • Dee, it is still a free country.... - sam
            • I refer you to - Dee
    • Well, Stardust, YOUR hatred is showing. You think - being mean makes you smart? Think again!nm
      • I take it you are voting for McCain. - Stardust
    • Obama - Stardust
      • He IS superliberal!! - sbMT
        • Obama - Stardust
          • Obama is superliberal by his voting record.... - sam
          • I'm not judging you - sbMT
            • where in the bible does it say - basketchick
              • Just because it doesn't use the word abortion - sbMT
              • The word "abortion" did not even exist.... - sam
                • whether or not the word existed - basketchick
              • abortion - Kendra
                • about the abortion issue - Mrs. M
                  • I know people who have had - funerals
                    • My late husband is buried - gourdpainter
                  • This really is not the reason I will vote for McCain - Kendra
                    • my actual reason is more selfish than this... - Kendra
                      • If you make less than $250K you get tax break nm - Mike W
                        • First off--not really - Kendra
                  • Funerals - sbMT
              • Perhaps Exodus 21 s/m - gourdpainter
                • I wonder why that is? People don't mind... - sam
                  • that is because s/m - gourdpainter
                    • Forget abortion for a minute.....people... - sam
                      • Doesn't seem hypocritical to me. s/m - gourdpainter
            • Since when - Renee
              • It's about the right to protection - sbMT
            • which one is the super-liberal? - Stardust
          • LOL! YOU are the one judging people here, - Stardust. You cant see that?nm
            • only the conservative, narrow-minded ones! - Stardust
              • That is the MOST narrow-minded post.... - sam
              • Okay, you obviously just want to argue in circles here. - sbMT
    • Well said. - Zville MT

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What is it about this issue that makes you people think that anyone finds YOU to be a threat to the point where you are all suddenly retreating and saying you won't post here any more???????????

The problem is with the breach of security on this site.  Unless you're the owner/moderator/administrator, this does not apply to you personally.

This issue should have been brought to the forefront on the company board a week ago when this incident happened, but I guess too many people were shocked by the blatant lack of ethics and the not so subliminal message that if anyone says anything negative about this company, your ISP will be tracked, and at that point, I, along with probable others, was afraid to post anything further.

In fact several, and I thought one of them was you, who were listing lots of links that Bush engineered 9/11.  I guess I was mistaken, but someone was posting it here.

I'm going to share this with my DH tonight.  We have discussing this election over and over and haven't been able to come up with a clear choice.  Our biggest concern is the economy.  Yes, I care about national security, but I think there are enough advisors on either campaign to handle that.  What affects me most is money.  Up until this point, we (DH and I) have been leaning to the left because it sounds like O's plans would be more beneficial to us.  However, after reading this, I'm not so sure anymore.  My husband and I work very hard to support our 3 kids and afford a nice home, vehicles and extras.  The last thing I want is someone taking that away from me and giving it to the welfare group.  They get enough breaks as it is.

I've said this numerous times -- McCain should be raising these issues in a better light, not counting on his supporters to find it.  It's sad because I fear it may be too late already.  Sometimes I think MC doesn't want to win this election.

I have the same feelings about it and I just hope come election day, Americans will think about all of those things when voting.  I had tears in my eyes yesterday worrying about it and I just can't for it to be over.  I pray about it everyday. 

So many are hateful with Bush and the last 8 years.  He was by no means perfect but we didn't get attacked again and I am grateful for that.  He imposed tax cuts which helped me greatly.  I am so sick of Obama tying McCain to Bush.  They are 2 different people.  People are craving change so much, but at what price???  They will get change for sure.  It will be the beginning of the end of democracy as we know it.

Don't forget, Kerry was ahead in the polls in 2004 and didn't win. 

Thanks again for your post.  Glad to know I am not alone in my feelings about this whole thing.

with whether you have a clue or not, for I have seen many impressive people on paper that I wouldn't bother to spit on if they were on fire, so I could give a rat's behind about your "CV".

That being said, I do believe it's none of your business how I choose to communicate with someone, but if you want to stick your nose in where it's not wanted, that's your call.  Personally, I don't see why you would even waste your time involving yourself in a discussion you obvious have no interest in.  Oh that's right, probably because you don't have a life. 

reality check... I don't usually post here on the political forum, I prefer a bigger board.  You seem to be a big fish in a small pond, whereas, I prefer to be a small fish in a big pond... fresher ideas and less bullying from the likes of big fish like you.

I dont believe in PUSHING my ideas on others.  I dont believe in killing our young people, I do NOT believe in George W. Bush.

Peace.

I agree that there hasn't been a single president willing to address the border issues.  But there also hasn't been a single president in American history to witness his country suffer an attack such as 9/11.  If there was ever a time to do everything possible to protect the American people, I believe it was after 9/11.  I believe Katrina showed everyone (including the terrorists) just how little we've done to coordinate local, state and federal emergency responses.  Bush beat 9/11 to death in his 2004 campaign.  In my opinion, he used it to scare people into voting for him, with the false promise that he was the only candidate who could protect us.

As far as Democratic spending, I couldn't agree with you more.  In fact, that's the whole point.  Democrats are the ones with the rep for out of control spending.  They, at least, acknowledged the need to help the less fortunate in our country.  Now we've got out of control spending, with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, more and more people without health insurance coverage, and probably many Americans unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.  At least the Democrats, albeit it to the chagrin of most Americans, raised taxes and gave us a sense that we were paying for all the spending they were doing.  I honestly don't know now who is paying for all this, and it scares me.  It further scares me that this president wants to completely revamp the Social Security system, a system I've been paying into for the past 36 years, and I don't trust his financial judgment -- not even a little bit.  He's publicly described who he believes his base to be (the haves and the have mores), and that group doesn't include me.  Most of my adult life was spent as a single mother.  (Even though she's grown with children of her own, I'm STILL a single mother because I try to help her, my son-in-law and grandchildren whenever they need me.) I haven't had the luxury of saving for retirement simply because I couldn't afford to.  I know that I will never retire.  I will be working one way or the other until the day I die.  The only thing I have to look forward to is a small Social Security check to supplement the part-time income I receive when I get too old to work full time.  I'm not asking for a handout.  I'm just asking for the government to keep its word regarding Social Security and not pull the rug out from under me.

I also didn't vote for Bush in 2000 because I believed in my heart we would find ourselves at war with Iraq if Bush was president, even though he promised that nation building was something he was against.  As you know, this was well before 9/11, and now he publicly admits he wants to spread freedom throughout the world -- whether the world actually wants the United States' (and/or Bush's)  particular brand of freedom or not.

In all fairness, I believe the Democratic party dropped the ball very badly in the last 8 years.  In 2000, I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone because I was so tired of voting for the least worst person.  I felt that if Gore and Bush were the best this country had to offer, we were in serious trouble.

I also think that Kerry was a terrible candidate to represent the Democratic party, although I did respect very much the fact that he had actually served in a war on foreign land and had firsthand experience in that area, which I believe is very important.

My favorite Democratic candidate was John Edwards.  He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  Everything he has, he worked very hard for.  This is a man who has firsthand knowledge of how to build something from nothing, another area of knowledge I don't believe Bush has clue one about.  Edwards was acutely aware there are two Americas, and that's never been more evident than it is now, after almost 5 years of bush.

I'm one of those people who found what Clinton did to be deplorable.  However, compared to Bush, Clinton was infinitely better.  Clinton definitely left office with the country in better shape than it will be when Bush leaves.

We used to have three basic socioeconomic groups in this country: rich, middle class and poor.  The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is starting to erode downward.  People who have median incomes are finding their effective net spendable income dwindling if they have to drive to and from their employment.  The only people to benefit from Bush are the rich.  It's a sad, sad situation when the State of Georgia takes it upon itself to close schools in order to conserve fuel, yet oil company profits continue to skyrocket.

I believe that war with Iraq is not only the single largest waste of money, resources, and especially American lives -- it's also putting America in much more danger.  This war has provided a wide open space for terrorists to train, and Bush gave them that training ground by invading Iraq and creating that training ground that didn't exist before.  We've completely destroyed their country, killed their people and wrecked their electricity and water.  I don't think it would be moral and ethical to just pull out of there immediately without fixing all the things that we broke.  By the same token, the longer we stay there, the more Americans we lose.  Saddam had been contained.  He was no real threat to us, and there was no legitimate reason in the world for us to invade Iraq in the bogus name of fighting the war on terror.  We have so very many things to do here at home to take care of our own, and we should have done that before even thinking of invading a country that wasn't a threat to us.  In 2001, we were told we're going in there to fight the war on terror. Now the reason is we want to spread freedom to the Iraqi people.  That's quite a leap and, to me, a person who feared in 2000 that Bush would attack Iraq, it's disingenuous, but most of all, it's not keeping us safe.

Hurricane season still has three months to go, and there's no reason to believe that more Americans won't lose their lives and/or homes.  We've got war zones all around us, whether it's an act of God or an act of Bush.  Whether it's the Gulf in Iraq or the Gulf in America, people are faced with losing electricity and water.  More urgently, they are faced with losing their lives and homes.  Somebody PLEASE tell me why it should be that Iraq is more important than America.  I don't believe America can afford to take care of both.  In my opinion, America must take priority. 

I'm sorry this was so long.  I guess I've been waiting for a long time to actually enter a debate with someone who is intelligent and thoughtful and, above all else, respectful to a different point of view.  Reading your post was a real pleasure.  Thank you.

According to Forbes, Bush's net worth, including real estate is $15 million.  His only home, in Crawford, is appraised at $988, 353. 

In contrast, Associated Press, published the following story, which has Kerry's net worth at $33,000,000.  Twice that of Bush.  He has a $700,000 yacht.  Also, his homes are enumerated below.  That's homes as in plural and they are all multimillion dollar homes. 

Kerry and wife embrace opulence

Published March 23, 2004

    ASSOCIATED PRESS
    From a sailing mecca to a ski resort, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, enjoy the trappings of their wealth in at least five homes and vacation getaways across the country valued at nearly $33 million.
    Some are private escapes for the family, while others serve as prime spots to host fund-raisers and exclusive gatherings for wealthy donors. All reflect the couple's status -- he is a four-term Massachusetts senator, she is heiress to the $500 million family ketchup fortune.
    Each home has a place in the family's life, with its own history and mission, from the preppy island of Nantucket and Boston's Beacon Hill to the Pittsburgh countryside, the Idaho mountains and the nation's capital.
    Mr. Kerry is on a weeklong break from the campaign at the home in the wooded mountains of Ketchum, Idaho. Located near the banks of the Big Wood River, the nearly $5 million house is a reassembled barn, originally built in England in 1485 and brought to Idaho by Mrs. Kerry's late husband, H. John Heinz III. The Pennsylvania Republican senator died in a plane crash in 1991.
    The Heinz family has had the house since 1966 and traditionally spends time there in August and during the Christmas holidays -- often throwing a New Year's Eve party capped with fireworks.
    While Ketchum provides a respite from politics, the tony Beacon Hill brownstone in Boston has been a more frequent campaign way station for Mr. Kerry and his wife. It is the only residence that is theirs as a couple. And, assessed at nearly $7 million, it is the residence that Mr. Kerry mortgaged last year to finance more than $6 million in loans to his campaign.
    Their other homes, ranging in value from more than $3 million to nearly $9.2 million, belong to Mrs. Kerry and predate her 1995 marriage to the Massachusetts senator. Several are still listed under the name of her late husband.
    Formerly part of a convent, the five-story, 12-room Boston town house -- with six fireplaces, a rooftop deck and an elevator -- is Mr. Kerry's main residence. It is where he is registered to vote and is located blocks from the Statehouse.
    While that is their newest home, Mrs. Kerry has had a Massachusetts presence for years.
    Just beyond the historic Brant Point Lighthouse in Nantucket's harbor is Mrs. Kerry's $9.1 million waterfront estate. Rimmed by tall hedges, with a wide deck and a lawn that reaches to the beach, the three-story, five-bedroom manse was the site of the couple's Memorial Day weekend wedding in 1995.
    Since then, the house has been used for campaign retreats and Democratic receptions for the party's big-money donors.
    While Mr. Kerry calls Boston home, Mrs. Kerry's base is Pittsburgh, which is her longtime residence and the headquarters of the Heinz Family Philanthropies, which she chairs.
    Located on a $3.7 million, 90-acre family farm in Fox Chapel, the home is a nine-room white colonial fronted with six columns, and at the end of a steep drive, hidden from the road by a curtain of woods. The property includes a deep-red, nine-room carriage house.
    This is where Mrs. Kerry raised her three sons and where she is registered to vote.
    Their fifth home, in Georgetown, is perhaps the most utilitarian, and is necessary to accommodate the time they spend in Washington when the Senate is in session. Also belonging to Mrs. Kerry, the 23-room, $4.7 million town house, with its wide stairway and landscaped courtyard, is filled with antiques, fine art and family photos.
    
    HOMES SWEET HOMES
    Presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, divide their time among five homes across the country. 

    •Boston: A five-story, 12-room Beacon Hill town house that serves as Mr. Kerry's main residence. Assessed value: $6.9 million.
    •Nantucket, Mass.: A three-story, five-bedroom waterfront retreat on Brant Point. Assessed value: $9.18 million.
    •Washington, D.C.: A 23-room town house in Georgetown. Proposed 2005 assessment: $4.7 million.
    •Ketchum, Idaho: A ski getaway converted from a reassembled barn near Sun Valley. Assessed value: $4.9 million. Mrs. Kerry also owns two adjoining lots valued at $1.5 million and $1.8 million.
    •Fox Chapel, Pa.: A nine-room colonial on nearly 90 acres in suburban Pittsburgh. The property also includes a nine-room carriage house. Assessed value: $3.7 million.