shelly -- don't let these posters

discourage you.  Keep spreading the word.  As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice.  I did not, however, know to what extreme.  I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do.  Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA.  There are people on this board who can still be won over.  Keep on "harping"!!!

The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes. 

• FOC - shelly
  • shelly -- don't let these posters - leaning to the right
  • blah, blah, blah - meme
    • meme - shelly
  • Yeah, you really should have read... - the big bad athiest
    • I wasnt speaking to atheists. - shelly
      • Exclusive of anyone else with an... - the big bad athiest
        • Well, not all Christians, but most of the - meme
      • You didn't address your post - meme
        • names - shelly
          • You are absolutely right! (sm) - Just the big bad
            • lol! - meme
          • Maybe you should specify - meme
            • thought u would have enough common sense - shelly
              • Diests have been around for many years - meme
                • I think it is spelled deist - nm

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Many churches want to take away the right to choose.  I'm glad you're not one of them.  I don't think the government has any business messing in people's private life to begin with.  Abortion shouldn't be an issue anyhow.  There are too many forms of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.  I think it is just another devisive issue.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a moral politician.  Whether people are believers or not, the world would be a better place if people used the Bible as a rule book for life.  Who could really argue with the rightness of Jesus' teaching, whether or not they profess to being "Christian" or atheist for that matter.

I have been discussing this very situation with my husband and close friends.  I also am Christian (probably not as faithful as I should be).  I supported him in the beginning, up until as recently as a month ago.  The more I talked with my friends and read about the prophecies, the more I feared that he is the one the Bible speaks of in Revelations (and not as the messiah).  So many of the prophecies seem to be fulfilled, and yet, these same prophecies could have easily been seen to be fulfilled years ago. 

I'm more curious as to what your father's thoughts are on these subjects (from a religious perspective).  As for me, I need to be able to sleep at night, and if that means voting for McCain, then so be it.  I know that when the true Messiah does return on that white horse, I'm going with him.  If my vote is borne out of fear, at least it won't be fear of where I'll end up.

If we were, I would post the same kind of rhetoric that you guys do on this board.  How many times have christians on this board defended the pro-life stance and other political ideas with the Bible?  I can't even count them.  If I were *cramming away* like you guys do, then I would post my real feelings when things like that come up.  For example....there is no god, so why should our politics be subject to a philosophy interpreted from a 2000-year-old ghost story?  I would also post the name *christian* in a derogatory manner, the same way you guys do with the name *athiest.*  I haven't posted things like that on the political forum out of respect for others who do not believe as I do.  Meanwhile, I am constantly harrassed on here because of my beliefs by christians, which usually include some kind of biblical verse, BTW.  There is no such thing as the term *fair* when it comes to christianity.  It comes with the idea of my way or no way.  You want to raise cane about a bus sign with an athiest content, but it's okay for the rest of us to have to put up with all the christian crap that is EVERYWHERE.  That's not compromise, it's not equality, it's not freedom of religion....it is pure and unadulterated abuse of power by christians.  You guys scream foul play when it comes to any other advertisement besides your own, but we are just supposed to stand by and take what you dish out.....the perfect example being the catholic commercial, which not only pushes religion, but also pushes the christian ideology into politics.  Give me a break.

I am not saying anything about christianity, christians, the Bible, Muslims or any other faith.  What I am doing is pointing out the ridiculous idea that the republican party would paint someone as a Muslim while at the same time claiming he is a member of a Christian church.  That's it.  I'm questioning negative attacks that have been directed at Obama and have been repeated here on this board.  Personally, as most of you know, I am an athiest, so I really don't care what religion the man is.  I'm more interested in his ability to govern (which I happen to think will improve this country).  However, as recent as TODAY (after the election) there are still people on this board going on about his religion.  I don't think I can be any more clear that that.

they attacked her first, and then she tried to explain the first post in simple English.

This is the most I have posted on this board in the last 2 months but I just can't take all attacks against people just because they voted  for the pubs.  I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, STOP THE BASHING. IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE.  All it causes is hate.

P.S. Mrs. M is the one of the worse on here. I have never seen her post before today or yesterday (didn't look at the dates). I think she's just trying to stir the pot.

here about the liberal issues, the more we have, the more the bilge from the right will be diluted.  Don't be run off, now girl.

on this board ever consider that this country is lost to yokels and religious fanatics who actually enjoy the vittrole of the Fox nation?  That they elevate a corrupt, sarcastic shrew nobody to a Great New Candidate?  That they actually view anyone from any other country in the world as a scarey fur-i-ner and think that the fact other countries look down upon us is proof we are #1? Our schools have gone steadily downhill.  Our families are falling apart.  There are basically fewer and fewer educated and intelligent people around to see beyond the poison being spoonfed to us by the republicans.  Remember in the Frankenstein movies there was only 1 monster but dozens and dozens of ignorant village people whipped up in a frenzy chasing him with sticks and torches.  We will have the government we deserve.  You can bank on it. 

1. Bush ignored the advice of more than 450 economists, including the Bush administration's own Economic Advisement Council and his own treasury secretary, when they warned that his tax cuts would fail as a growth stimulus, increase inequality and worsen the budget outlook


2. Unemployment rate rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to 6.3% in the first 2-/12 years of the Bush administation.


3. During the first 6 years, income rose an abysmal 1.6%.  Though the inflation rate was at historic lows during those years, (2% to 3%), income failed rise at the same historically low rate.


4. Poverty rates rose from 11.7% in 2001 to 12.7% in the first 6 years.


5. When compared to business cycles from the previous 50 years (1949 to 2000), Bush policies underperformed in terms of GDP, jobs, income and consumption…especially in the jobs sector.  Go here and scroll down to the economic growth section for a really cool graph that illustrates this point.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration


6. Income inequality rose as the Bush policies benefitted the top 1% of the income earners.  The Congressional Budget Office, shows that "the average after-tax income of the richest one percent of households rose from $722,000 in 2003 to $868,000 in 2004, after adjusting for inflation, a one-year increase of nearly $146,000, or a whopping 20 percent.  In 2005, the top 1% received its largest share of gross income since 1928. 


7. Total budget surplus for FY 2001 was $128 billion dollars.  Here's how W eliminated that and added to the US public debt: 

Fiscal Year                 Value                           %GDP

2001                            144.5 billion (B)         1.4%

2002                            409.5B                        3.9%2003                            589.0B                        5.5%2004                            605.0B                        5.3%2005                            523.0B                        4.3%2006                            536.5B                        4.1%2007                            459.5B                        3.4%

Notice how the value and %GDP trend reversed under the democratic congress.

8.    Pubs like to blame dems for opposing oversight on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.  They fail to mention that the 2 times during the Bush administration the issue of an oversight agency was entertained occurred in 2003 and 2005…under republican majorities in both House and Senate.  Those dems must have had some help from somewhere. 

were from posters from within the U.S.

There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here. 

Read the sticky above.  Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here. 

We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board. 

Back off and take it easy on people.  Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks.  You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names. 

The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here.  Read the sticky.  Beware of flaming in these posts.  If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts. 

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Personal attacks are not going to be left on the board.  Discuss your views and perspectives, debate, argue but leave off personal attacks. 

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Whether or not you agree with the morality or position of a particular view is something you will have to moderate within yourself.  You can do this by determining what you will and will not read.  Stop with the personal banter trying to "notify" posters you are not reading their posts any longer, etc.  Simply stop. 

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