sbMT, ain't that the truth! He isn't
Posted By: sm on 2009-01-20
In Reply to: I'm just really over the race crap - sbMT
the first African American president; he is the first mixed race president.
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sbMT, you know what I think?
I believe the people who feel compelled to riducle people who have Faith are people to whom the Holy Spirit is speaking, they just refuse to listen. Otherwise, why would they care what we believe? Even Jesus said his Spirit would not always strive with men. I happen to believe it is never too late to accept Christ until we draw our last breath and we never know in which instant that may occur. I also believe at some point, if He is continually rejected, he will stop trying to speak to us.
"Religion" and Faith are, indeed to very different things. I have a particular distaste for televangelists and I also do not believe that ALL churches (having nothing to do with denomination) are of God, nor are all church members Christians. As well, I believe there are many true Christians who do not attend organized churches. By denomination I would call myself Methodist. Do I agree with everything? No. I go to church for one purpose and one purpose only, that is to praise God, worship Him and renew my spirit. It matters not to me what name is on the church door; there's one heaven (in my faith) and one hell. We will all live one place or the other for eternity. I would rather be ridiculed now than cast out in the final judgment. If when I'm dead I was wrong then no big deal but our spirits, I believe, will cry for those who were told and continued to call us fools for believing. The Bible says there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I believe this.
Ridiculed or not, I am praying for our nation, God save it.
sbMT
We are very much alike. I was raised in a Methodist church but not a very devout family. My first husband was Southern Baptist so I'm well versed. I do also believe in the Rapture, which belief, as you know, is that we won't be here during the worst of the tribulation. I'm not sure if I believe the Rapture will occur pre or mid tribulation. I do believe that we are in the beginning of the end and I, for one, expect Christ to return at any minute. There are those other things spoken of in the Bible as well...where it says people will scoff at us and continuing as usual. I always wondered about some things in Revelations, but remember where it says the world will experience a financial collapse and a man will rise up appearing to have the answers? Well, it seems to me that we are in a position for such to actually happen.
BTW my present husband was raised Catholic. He has not been a practicing Catholic for many years. He goes to church with me but more importantly, he believes that Christ died for his sins, past, present and future and accepts Him as his personal Savior as did my first husband. I look forward to being with both of them in eternity where we will not be husband and wife.
Matthew 24 http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Matthew+24 also gives us warning and we see those very things beginning to happen now..
TO SbMT
SbMT:
I am very moved by what you have posted...I feel at times that we have become so jaded and cynical in this world - look at how we treat our brothers and sisters: Compassion is what reminds us, whether one is athiest or a believer, that we ARE all connected to one another, and we don't clean up our act; the price we are going to pay will be one that will taint generations to come..
to sbMT
Give me 3 reasons why McCain is more qualified to be the next president.
I can give you a lot of reasons why he should not be the next president:
His age
His temper
His running mate
His aggression
etc....
Obama is always polite, has style and class. He avoids pointing out McCain's mistakes; don't you think that Obama could also be aggressive if he wanted to? But he is too smart for that.
Not sbMT but...
1. He has integrity.
2. He has spent his life serving his country instead of serving his own narcissistic political ambitions.
3. He has a long history of working in a nonpartisan fashion to fix what is broken in Washington.
Reasons Obama should NOT be the next president.
His inexperience.
You can't vote "PRESENT" from the Oval Office.
His history of taking advice from left-wing radicals like Ayers and Wright.
His arrogance.
His nepotistic tendancies.
His lack of understand of global issues.
His inability to judge character.
Or, to quote JOE BIDEN:
"I think he CAN be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
for sbMT
I have to give you some credit here.
I suppose Obama can better sell his ideas and opinions to people. He is more credible and he sounds more sincere. It's his personality. I do not find him arrogant, actually the contrary. He is not an aggressor.
And, we all expect a president to have an EGO.
I also find Michelle more sincere, credible and knowledgable than Cindy.
Like everywhere:
'The message is not in the word, it is in the delivery.'
To sbMT
Other than I would rather see Obama be elected than McCain/Palin I agree with you 100%. I also agree that Obama came up pretty fast through the ranks. Whatever it is, it's pretty well-hidden or the pubs wouldn't have to resort to the garbate they're spitting out. I'm sure the dirt is there somewhere. On the other hand, McCain picked his running mate, not on what was good for America but was good for HIM...he thought.
What I have to wonder is what will it take to get Americans off their lazy butts to do something. We can either sit around and whine and blame Republicans/Democrats or we can CHANGE OUR GOVERNMENT. It's been done before and it can be done again when the American PEOPLE come together as they did in the few days after 9/11 and forget their political affiliation. Immediately after 9/11 I was yeaing Pres. Bush. Shortly thereafter I lost all respect for him. There is more to that Iraq war than any of us know and it ain't good!!!
We, the people, can change our government but it's going to take some drastic action. Remember the Revolution? When enough people say ENOUGH, then and only then will we see meaningful change.
Yea, sbMT
Even though we don't agree on which candidate will be the least of the worst, it is so heartening to read your no nonsense, common sense post. I'm sure there are many on this board who have the brains to actually think and move past the Republican/Democrat loyalty if they just put their minds to it.
You are so right there are crooks at the top and the bottom of the pile. IF Robinhood takes from the rich and gives to the poor I'm fairly sure the "trickle down" effect will work. They'll just trickle the extra taxes on down to the middle class or whatever is left of it and the middle class will also pick up on the tab for the career welfare people.
I am all for helping people help themselves. Much as I hate taxes, I would even be willing to pay a little more to help people help themselves. The welfare system is frought with dishonesty. I think those on the welfare rolls whose familiies have been there for generations should be told in no uncertain terms that they WILL get off their lazy butts and go to work or they simply will not eat or have a roof over their head at government expense. Help those who want an education to get it, maybe an internship or OJT for less skilled workers as not everyone is college material. Provide daycare while they are getting the education. Maybe when they are gainfully employed they could pay back at least part of the cost of getting their education. AND no welfare, food stamps, daycare, housing or anything else for anyone in this country illegally. Do away with the anchor baby thing. IMHO a child who is born in this country to illegal parents should have no rights of citizenship period.
And while I'm about it...another chief complaint.....those in prison. Put them to work making license plates or whatever and let them earn their keep. Might not be so many in prison if they had to chop rocks or whatever.
We have got to do something or we're all going to go down the tube!
Have a good day.
To sbMT
First, I hope you feel better soon. This seems the time for those nasty pre-winter ills to set in. I'm not feeling well this morning either, upset stomach and diarrhea...aaaaarrrg. Went to take a nap and had to get up post haste. LOL
Thanks for your common sense and thought provoking statements. As a Christian I have struggled with many issues and my biggest issue is that neither candidate, if either is a Christian, has done anything to convince me of that. Certainly McCain kicking his 1st wife to the curb for a younger, more beautiful woman with lots of money, I don't believe is something Jesus would approve of.
What we need is a true man of God, who is not afraid to stand up and proclaim his faith in Jesus Christ. Of course that won't happen.
I will not vote for John McCain because in my opinion he talks a talk that he doesn't walk. Not meant to start an argument.
To sbMT (from below)
Maybe if he "bared his fruit" we'd see more about him. LOL
I do love to argue doggone it but it seem like most people don't want to argue for the sake of solving anything, they just want everyone to believe as they believe.
I try to apply WWJD in everything I do but in this case I'm just stumped. Both men say they are Christians. Are they? I don't know. God knows and he isn't telling me. I can't see the fruit either of these dudes bear. They are politicians. McCain tells such blatant lies that I wouldn't believe a word he says. As for Obama, I am not convinced that he has lied, certainly not about McCain. McCain on the other had either tells lies or stretches the truth about Obama to the breaking point.
I DO NOT believe in abortion but my opinion is that we need to keep the big, fat government out of our personal lives. The beginning of the downfall was Roe vs. Wade, when was that, who was president then, wasn't it Reagan. The president as yet does not have the authority to enact laws all by himself I don't think.
I believe the last true Christian president we had was Jimmy Carter and look at him. He was ridiculed and ran out of the white house so obviously some people didn't like having a Christian in the White House. I'm sure there are Democrat Christians and Republican Christians. If there was a man or woman running for president that I felt strongly was a Christian I would vote for him/her in a heartbeat but liars aren't usually very good Christians so I will vote for Obama and hope he serves the country well. I cannot stomach 4 more years of George W. Bush. I simply do not buy that he was given "bad intelligence." He gave the American people a snow job and good ole McCain was right there by his side.
Thank you sbMT
I had myself a good laugh at my own thoughts and thought everyone else might lighten up a little if only for a little while.
sbMT
You need to re-read what I said.
Hey, sbMT
Missed you. Hope you ate enough pumpkin pie for me. I never get enough. LOL You didn't miss much, seems a lot of people have been missing.
Hey there sbMT sm
You didn't miss a great deal. I'm glad you had a good holiday. Man....wish I had some of that pumpkin pie!
SbMT-sm
If you listened to President Obama speech today you would have heard that people not behind on their mtgs but struggling to stay that way will also be helped by this foreclosure plan. That is where we (dh and I) are right now since we (MTs) are paid on production in this job and it fluctuates. One or 2 bad months at the most would put us over. I am going to wait until March 4 and then call my bank. It is one that got a ton of government money.
sbMT....that's me....
I'm also a poet :)
Let me try to answer you sbMT
I started this thread by addressing it to the pubs. We have been talking in terms of dems, crats and pubs for a while now. I mean no disrespect when using the term. If you do not identify yourself that way, it is not readily apparent in your post. I simply meant to address the issue of republican reform.
In any case, if you are a relative newcomer to the voting ranks, party independence is a good place to start. Here is a perspective from someone who IS aligned with the left of center field of the democrat party. He was NOT pandering to me, nor do I find Obama a party centrist either. He is pretty much representative of the wide range of views within his own ranks.
I do understand the trust issue you express, especially in view of how much that played into this current election's outcome. McCain really was working with an almost insurmountable obstacle in terms of the nation's ability to trust the republican party. If you are feeling that the shift to the left is too radical, you may want to consider what the driving force behind that shift is. Fear of 4 more years was much, much greater than any fear the right-of-center wing of the republicans were able to drum up.
Obama ran a brilliant campaign, particularly in terms changing the map colors from red to blue. My party spent much of the past 8 years not only bringing Bush's faults into the spotlight, but much, much hard work on the grass roots regional and local levels. We mobilized and activated ourselves. 2004 was a real blow and we had many hours of deep despair. It took a great deal of determination and hard work to simply pick ourselves up and keep on keeping on. If dems seem a bit euphoric at the moment, that would be the reason.
Look for that to dissipate rather quickly. We are also having to redefine our own party in response to YOUR generation of voters who seem very turned off by status quo and are looking for solutions rather than party alliances. I for one believe Obama understands that very well and between the two candidate choices, he is the one who will orient himself in that direction. He will be disappointing some of the more agenda driven democrats like myself, but will be making up for that by NOT pandering, rather knocking down barriers of division and opening up much broader dialogs aimed at compromise. If he fails to do this, his re-election will be in peril.
As a footnote, I would like to add that I am hopeful that Nancy Pelosi will not be reaffirmed as House speaker, despite the fact that some of the party sees her as the best thing since sliced bread. She is too old school and has not been effective in being a uniting force within the House. I truly believe we are about to witness the reinvention of Washington politics across the board and both parties will have to learn how to go with that flow if they are to survive.
I'm with you on the wait and see side of things. What I can say with great certainty is that this in this country undoubtedly will be taking a turn for the better and I am willing to settle for that for the time being.
Thank you sbMT for this...but it is obvious no one...sm
pays any attention to any of this anymore. I think the true history regarding the founding of our country has been watered down and taken completely out of the history books in school. 
Thank you, sbMT. I knew the verse was in there
:)
Well, SbMT, since you seem to have the inside scoop
I sure would like to know which Georgia town you refer to. Since I live in Georgia (not from there, thank God), where I have personally seen billboards advertising the KKK in the past, I would appreciate a heads-up.
sbMT I pray the other poster will sm
have her spiritual eyes opened before its too late. Christians don't condemn people to he!!, folks send themselves to he!! by rejecting the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
!!!! hahaha
Yes I did, sbMT. Posted this in the wrong spot.
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Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
nm
Truth
give me a freaking break, okay? The truth needs to be posted over and over and over again.
the truth
So true and so well put.
You could not be further from the truth. NM
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Now, now, now... let's tell the TRUTH, which is NOT:
His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist).
History IS important. Check yours.
Phil Donahue is a Catholic.
Where's the truth in the above?
It's just your fantasy of wanting Bush to get caught getting a B.J....and quoting Marey Carey, a former porn star. Any credibility you had you just flew out the window.
The truth is that no one really knows the truth about 911.sm
I think their secrecy surrounding the matter is creating oddball theories. I do not know if I would call them a subculture, but I know the 911 truth movement is quite large (millions). This will even be used as a political platform for a few running for office. One that comes to mind is Robert Bowman running for Congress.
Truth.
If you believe –
That the Bible is the inspired Word of God
That Jehovah God is a God of integrity and it is impossible for Him to break covenant because of His character,
That Jesus Christ is our example, and we are to follow Him,
Then there is no Biblical alternative to supporting Israel and the Jewish people.
Are you all nonbelievers here?
We already know the truth. nm
nm.
The truth (as you see it)...sm
Quotes from Mizz Coulter:
Freedom of Speech
* They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment.
o University of Florida speech; October 20, 2005.
Immigration
* I'd build a wall. In fact, I'd hire illegal immigrants to build the wall. And throw out the illegals who are here. [...] It's cheap labor.
o Fox News; The O'Reilly Factor; Transcript via Media Matters; April 14, 2006.
o On illegal immigration
Liberals
* VESTER: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
o (FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6
New York Times
* My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
o New York Observer article; August 26, 2002.
* Of course I regret it. I should have added 'after everyone had left the building except the editors and the reporters.'
o rightwingnews.com; June 26, 2003.
o On her (above) statement concerning Timothy McVeigh
* [Learning difficulties are a cover for] rich parents with dumb kids...That's why 'Pinch' Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, is alleged to have dyslexia - because he's retarded.
o The Independent; August 16, 2004.
o Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., publisher of New York Times
Stevens, Justice John Paul
* We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens's creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
o Philander Smith College January 26, 2006 [6]
Women
* I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
o Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001.
* It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
o [8]; May 17, 2003.
* I think the other point that no one is making about the [Abu Ghraib] abuse photos is just the disproportionate number of women involved, including a girl general running the entire operation. I mean, this is lesson, you know, number 1,000,047 on why women shouldn't be in the military. In addition to not being able to carry even a medium-sized backpack, women are too vicious.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; May 5, 2004.
Voting
* I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; August 17, 1997.
Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 194
Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now.
* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 5-6
I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
* Her column; December 21, 2005
* Governmental responsibility
* We were terrified that Jones would settle. It was contrary to our purpose of bringing down the president.
o Uncovering Clinton: A Reporter’s Story (1998), pg. 183.
o Paula Jones
* If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [teenage] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns.
o Politically Incorrect; December 18, 1997.
o Heath High School shooting (where a gunman killed 3 students at a prayer meeting at the school). When she said Don't pray, Coulter may have been asked whether she approved of praying in school.
* [A] cruise missile is more important than Head Start.
o From a speech, November 2001, rebroadcast by C-Span in January, 2002.
o Education spending vs. defense spending
The list goes on:
These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much. -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration
We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.
There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats.
We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.
Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.
Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals.
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.
The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster.
How about this truth.
All life is sacred or no life is sacred, no exceptions.
Once again, not really the truth
I'm starting to get irked. What is with all the manipulation of the truth? Why can't you guys stick with fact? Nixon denied what he had done, LIED blatantly for a long time until there was so much evidence against him that he FINALLY had to come clean. Yes, much like Clinton. I don't need to change historical facts to fit my own agenda like you do, e.g., also the Summerby comment.
Your claims are ridiculous and I don't know why you are making them. You seem too intelligent for such complete hogwash. Really.
I don't know why to tell you the truth....
...and I don't think it is a "Republican" site per se. It is definitely a conservative-leaning site. I am not a registered Republican except in primary years. I do not owe my alliegance nor vote to any political party. But I admit, the further left the Democratic party goes, the less likely I will ever vote democratic again. I have in the past. But it is doubtful that I ever will again. But...I digress.
I hear you about the complete bashing and name calling. And yes, you can make your points, counter the points of others, without bashing and name calling. I get angry too, and i think some of the things I see posted here at me...lol. But I get up, walk away, bite my lip, and then try to post after that initial wave of &(A(& passes...lol
Have a good night, kiki :)
Why not tell the truth for once?
You introduce an issue, someone does not agree with you, and then the attacks start. Eight, nine, ten bashing posts to my one. Now who does that seem like is monopolizing the board. THis is not a dem board. It is a political board. You do not tolerate any dissenting opinions. You should really try to actually be democratic...that is your party name after all.
Ain't that the truth!! nm
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Actually he DID tell the truth once...
when he said the big O was not ready to be President as it did not lend itself to on-the-job experience. He hit that nail square on the head.
Here is your truth. sm
Guess Olbermann is wrong about date - JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26798219
not sure how much truth there is to this
i've heard it's not over.. hill may still run with obama
Not quite all the truth ...
Palin didn't kill the bridge to nowhere. She supported it and then, when CONGRESS said NO to it, she still took the money. Just a wolf in sheep's clothing there.
Probably a lot easier to have an 89% to 93% approval rating when you hardly have any residents to please!! LOL
McCain's cheating is just that: Cheating. It's not something you do - it's what you are -- a cheater. Even psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that a person who cheats once is all the more likely to repeat that behavior. Cheating comes in all forms.
So, now if you're gonna forgive McCain's past badddd behavior, you must forgive Obama's past uglies, too.
If you want to hail Palin as some kind of maverick or new breed, make sure you give appropriate kudos to the other side who are doing things in a new light, too.
Oh, and by her a thesaurus. She needs to learn a little new lingo. Tired of every conversation out of her mouth being about the bridge to nowhere (which she supported and then took the money on) and being a maverick (hmmm, wasn't the Wild West full of mavericks who behaved badly and got away with it?) and putting that jet on ebay (which did not sell - someone else had to sell it and it came at a $600K loss in value - a loss to taxpayers) and all the same things in her first speech at the convention. Not a new word since. Not a new original thought since. Bush speechwriters writing for her. LOL
You sure you want to see the truth.....
And, you can't say it was all made up lies. The poor kid standing there pointing out the facts with his own mouth. How sad you think ACORN is such a great group. Look who they take advantage of. Probably the same ones they claim to want to help better themselves. Now, watch carefully....
http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/17703748/detail.html
Thanks for some more truth about
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Well, to tell the truth
I'm not sure if it is the left or the right driving this b/c thing into the ground. I thought it was the right. I know I'm sick of hearing the same ole same ole over and over and over. It has gotten to the point that it just makes me angry. There may be a few exceptions but I think maybe regular posters find nothing new to discuss so they may just go away. One poster swore that he/she would keep bringing the b/c issue to the top and by golly, he/she has done so. I have noticed that when a new topic is introduced there is no one who seems interested in discussing anything not connected with the b/c so that leads me to the above conclusion. If there happened to be some new information regarding the b/c or lack thereof, I would certainly be interested in reading it but there is not a shred of proof that the b/c is not legitimate and having examined it on the internet, which is about as close as any of us are going to get, the issue is resolved to my satsfaction. I just wonder when the group flogging this dead horse will ever give it up and move on. I enjoy debating issues with fellow MTs but not issues that have already been proven to be nonissues. I doubt the SC will hear the case brought by that ignoramus lawyer. If they do they are dumber than him.
What is it the b/c people want anyway? Do they think Hillary could just be declared the winner after all? Do they think McCain should be declared the winner? Do they want Bush to stay in office? With this country in such a mess, exactly what is it these people want to have happen? Someone has to be president, if not Obama, then who? I might give the whole thing a little more credibility if someone would take the time to explain to me exactly what it is they want to accomplish.....and PLEASE don't insult my intelligence by coming back with "he's not a citizen."
truth
Gourdpainter: As my father always told us when we were kids - "there are four sides of the truth - your side, the other person's side; and the side no one is telling but most important of all - God's truth, and when you figure out which truth to tell that is right, then you can come and talk to me.."
Just truth
The truth hurts, and anybody who can follow Obama after reading all of the facts checked on him, which are not in his favor and are abundant, really needs to ask themselves why. Obama is making promises he can't keep. Sometimes "change" isn't better. Obama supporters are looking at dollar signs, not using common sense. Come on now! As I said before, I used to follow Obama. I truly wish you would take ALL the facts and really ask yourself why you are voting for this man. Regardless of all the untruths being found about him, he's not experienced enough. Nobody is trying to scare anybody--it is just insanity to me that anybody could follow Obama. Don't get me wrong--I was almost swayed by his "charm," too. Really think about what you're doing here when you check his name on election day. Now look at McCain's strong character, his experience, his moral values (which are in line with our Creator), his patriotism. He puts our country first, isn't making candy promises, is realistic. Like McCain said "You're voting for a President, not a rock star."
You are right and that is truth.nm
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to tell you the truth, I do not know...
I wasn't attacking you, by the way, I just don't think that a lot of people realize that there has already been a proposition about this that passed in California before. I actually think that it is wonderful if it sticks. When I lived in California, I would be so upset to pass many propositions, only to have them overturned. It seems a little against the system.
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