The election is over. The results are in. Whether you are pleased or displeased with the results, it is time to show some class. Gloating is not attractive or very mature either nor is continuing to bemoan all of the dire predictions. I Both Senators Obama and McCain have said it is time for Americans to come together, to work together. How about starting here and now. McCain offered a very gracious speech. Can't we follow that fine example no matter what our personal feelings might be? Let us all behave with some class. We need to deal with the government we have and put our efforts into making it work as best possible instead of childish gloating or incessant complaining. Let's put our considerable energy and knowledge to a constructive purpose and just stop behaving so badly!
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some of the blame here has to go to the American people, those who did not support industry in the US. Rush out and buy those foreign cars. it may be cheaper in the short term but in the long run....no way, it will kill us all. Can't you all see the forest through the trees. Geez louise. Complain about losing jobs in the US, complain about American businesses failing and jobs from US going overseas and then buy foreign products instead of American made and what do you expect. Do you realize the far-reaching implications of the auto industry going bust???? All the suppliers affected. And all the money that would be earned by those millions of people who will now be earning, and thus spending, nothing. That is all money that would be supporting every other business, including ours as all of those people will also lose their health benefits and seeking less medical care thus less work and less profit for us. You can put blame anywhere you want but we all deserve some of it for destroying our own economy.
A lot of Californians are moving into
Arizona. They want to change it and make it fast-paced like California. We have a name for Californians here in Arizona but it isn't appropriate for this board.
Yeah, it's funny....but I think moving him around through all the...
different people and all the questions that were being asked was to keep him on the phone while the traces were taking place and authorities mobilized to go to his house. Whatever phone he called obviously is not the one Presidents of other countries call...lol.
Heck, maybe he figured some way of getting it off Jenna calling the White House on Ellen Degeneres' show. If they have last number re-dial at Ellen's show a lot of people probably have it...LOL. Does seem coincidental that she called the White House a few days ago and now he did...hmmmm. But no way of knowing if it was same #.
Bet he was surprised when the police showed up...lol.
Moving to top of board....this is important.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both of these claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where McCain called Alaska the largest state in America, he could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.
REBUTTAL: She is responsible for negotiating any drilling of those resources. "Primary power" may be taxation, but she also has to oversee environmental issues, etc. She cracked the monopoly and forced oil companies to bid again, and she made a necessary portion of the bid that they address environmental issues. That was left out of the FACTS. While the population of the state may not be in proportion to the size of the state, her latest approval rating is 86%. That is unheard of. None of the other candidates enjoy that as senators from their respective states. That was also left out of the FACTS.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
REBUTTAL: When the National Guard is called up within a state, the governor does have the primary responsibility of mobilization and oversight. Since she is 50 miles from Russia, having control of the National Guard in that state is certainly central to our national security. And the operative word is AFTER the unit is deployed. Making the decision to call them up and send them to war IS her decision, and DOES affect national security.
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January of 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
REBUTTAL: This is true. But if Democrats truly believe in hope and change, they have had since January to actually do it. Have seen zip, zilch, nada. Got news for you...Bush is not a true conservative, especially fiscally obviously. McCain is.
THE FACTS: It's true that Obama voted "present" dozens of times, among the thousands of votes he cast in an eight-year span in Springfield. Illinois lawmakers commonly vote that way on a variety of issues for technical, legal or strategic reasons. Obama, for instance, voted "present" on some abortion measures to encourage wavering legislators to do the same instead of voting "yes." Their "present" votes had the same effect as "no" votes and helped defeat the bills. Voting this way also can be a way to duck a difficult issue, although that's difficult to prove.
REBUTTAL: Bottom line, he still voted "present." If he can't make a decision on those bills, he is going to be able to make the big ones to run the country? You can't vote present in the oval office. However, he did show up to vote NO to the Infants Born Alive act...twice.
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes over $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
REBUTTAL: Look at this and digest it. First paragraph...Obama's plan will raise income for middle income taxpayers by 5% by 2012...he does not define "middle class." McCain's plan is going to CUT taxes across ALL levels and still raise the "middle income" by 3%. I think I will take the tax cut and the 3%. No brainer.
Obama wants to provide 80 billion in tax breaks to people who already pay almost 0 taxes. Where, pray tell, is that $80 billion going to come from?? Taxing the "rich" which will trickle down to loss of jobs and depression of the economy. Won't work. Never works. Case in point..small businesses that make more than $250,000 would see taxes rise. That is about every small family business in this country, who employ a lot of people. Just throw them all under the bus in order to cut taxes for people who pay the least taxes of all of us ANYWAY.
The reason is because FL insisted on moving up the primary, despite being told NOT to. nm
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If McCain wins, I'll be moving to Canada...Montreal According to Bill O'Reilly...Obama moving ahead in polls! (nm) Wow, I can't believe you posted that. sm
considering all else you have posted on these boards. LOLOLOLOL!!! Man oh man!
who posted it?
I suspect it was the person who goes under the name Brunson who posted the Army mom post as in the post it talks about C-Span and I kind of thought..mmmmm..this is just one of those crazy right wingers posting to start stuff..So right after the post came through, I checked out the right wing board and Brunson was posting the same thing about checking out C-Span today. Coincidence? I dont think so..Two posters within one minute posting about checking out C-Span today?
She posted this as a
She stated above the reference to the Clinton body count and that it was a conspiracy theory. The statement of someone above *It seems that people that sue Bush turn up in bad health or dead* is every bit as much a conspiracy theory as this. Someone on both boards has been trying to spam us with conspiracy theories for days now none of which have an ounce of substance or actual fact behind them. Most of us can see the difference between conspiracy and an actual story with facts behind them. It's really hard to get away with conspiracy theories when there is so many facts out there on the net.
This has been posted before. sm
And is in no way or shape complete or accurate. Rumsfeld served 3 years. You think a flight instructor is a small job? That's pretty telling. Clinton dodged the draft by deferring for a ROTC duty, which he never fulfilled after writing his famous loathing of the military letter. So if we are going to post these lists again and again, let's get it right.
the Fox zombies drown out the truth on this board. Bless you.
When I first posted
I did not know who it was benefitting. I later found out it was benefitting Obama. Either way if it was benefiting McCain I'd still be saying this is not right. 11/4 is voting day. I'd say a sure fire way to comit fraud on the democrats side. Do the right thing and vote on 11/4.
I don't think they have posted the new one....
if they have, I can't find it.
This should have been posted under
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I posted before that I liked it better
when it was two boards, a liberal board and a conservative board. More intelligent discussion and less mudslinging back then. Three boards would be great, liberal, conservative and politics for anyone that just want to keep pubbing and demning as you say.
Not the OP who posted........sm
about "the reality of O" but my take on this phrase is that when he takes office and starts bringing to pass things that conservatives have been concerned about (detention/"reeducation" centers, civil army, further division of America, etc.), that will be "the reality of O." In other words, he will be revealed to be the charlatan that the liberals refuse to believe he is. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but I really believe this country has made probably the single biggest mistake in our history.
that is exactly why I posted it...n/m
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I DID! I posted below too!
Sheesh!
I know what I posted.
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Seeing as this was posted 11/13
And today is 11/17, I would say its a new article.
the Red Envelope Project is a political protest again a godless president and his administration. It is Obama who wants babies murdered on a global scale and wants U. S. taxpayers to fund it.
The next Red Envelope project will be defending the lives of the elderly, the infirm, the physically challenged, both children and adults, who will not receive healthcare benefits under a universal healthcare system, who will be mandated to have lifesaving measures withheld. Rationed care. Will you protest if it is your mother, father, sister, brother or will you say it's their "choice"?
This is Obama's agenda. He is a president of death. Red Envelope Project is a political protest supporting life and its participants are not all Christian. Do you think it only Christians who think abortion is murder? If you do, then you are totally uninformed.
Ob, but you do and you just posted it
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I just posted this elsewhere...
About a friend's dad who recently died. lived in England and was denied CABG because he was too old. how old? He was 55 when he died. His physician admitted CABG would probably have saved his life but TOO OLD at age 55, so they let him die. Yes, we have problems with our system of health care, but at 55 I sure don't think I am too old to be worth saving! I don't want the government telling my physician what he can and cannot do in providing my care nor does my physician want this. I want my physician to make decisions that are based only on what I need to maintain my health, not what some governmental body tells him. And you can bet you bippy if your last name is Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, etc., etc., you won't be denied that CABG, only if your name is smith or Jones or the like.
And I also posted before that I think
gay sex and polygamy are wrong, but I am more lenient to polygamy, but NO groupsex, even animals don't do this.
This is more animalistic than animals behave.
I wish my brother/law will marry me in case my husband dies.
And to straighten out where the "spook"/"spooked" reference came from, that it DIDN'T come from the liberals, as you suggested, but it instead came from bigoted Republicans as part of their mailing.
I don't care if you're angry or happy as a clam.
I don't care if you're white, black or purple.
It's 2009, and the south has a rich history of racism. The only thing to me that is relevant about colors is that the Southern Republicans are showing their true ones, and I don't want them to stop, either.
The only thing they've got going for them is fear. If Cheney isn't lucky enough to see America hit a second time, then the best next thing is to divide and conquer. That might have worked in the 1950s, but it's not working any more.
I'm actually eager for them to continue to be their true selves and show the rest of America and the world the sludge they're made of.
That's my opinion, and it has nothing to do with you or your race.
many facts posted
I have posted many facts, you just dont see them as fitting into whatever beliefs you have. A closed mind is a terrible thing. Open your mind to possibilities. Half this country and many parts of the world believe as I do. You know, when I think of the real true republican party, I think of the party of Lincoln but right now it has morphed into the party of radical christian extremists..
Did you even read what you posted!
The last paragraph says it all. Obviously some thought went into this and do you really think if he was NOT an atheist, he would not have sued by now. There were 49,000 Google hits. I am not going to do your work for you. At any rate, I don't care if you believe it or not. It makes no difference to me.
It's sad you posted this in this manner.
It's obvious you posted it to make a political point. It doesn't change my opinion about Pat Tillman. Why would he give up a million dollar career in sports to pursue a war he felt illegal? I am not sure you can explain that. At any rate, He is a hero to me no matter what. His reasons are not sticking in the throats of any conservatives I know of. We will have to take Mrs. Tillman's word for what she is saying. Pat is not here to reinforce it.
I'm glad you posted this. Thanks! nm
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Ooops - posted by me, I only posted one story. sm
And the subject, to me, is Ward Churchill has his deception, not AIM. I would think as an OP, you would be more in tune to what the OP publications are saying about him.
I posted this on the other board...
seeing as how they are all so gung ho the war and all; I honestly thought maybe we could agree on something over there but not a peep out of anyone...so I'll post it here.
Here is a positive and really good idea and one I believe we can all agree on. I hope this ends the American Indian thread on a positive note. When I was down in Seminole country this past weekend I picked up a copy of The Seminole Tribune and found this article. I think this is so wonderful I can't hardly stand it. Believe me when I say this would mean SOOOOO much to the Indians serving in Iraq or anywhere for that matter.
It is a native tradition that when a warrior went into battle he would wear new moccasins. The new moccasins were to bring him home safely from the battle or to ease his transition into the next life. With the number of American Indian troops currently stationed in harm's way the National Native American Veterans Association (NNAVA) has undertaken to send a new pair of moccasins to each of our native troops deployed. Each pair of moccasins is hand made in the traditional way, wrapped in red flannel (all things of a spiritual nature are wrapped in red, flannel, trade cloth, wool, whatever) and then shipped to the addresses of our deployed troops. The cost to make and ship each pair of moccasins is only $21 due to the number of volunteers who are donating their time and money to this project.
Contributions can be mailed to Project Moccasin Fund C/O National Native American Veterans Association, P.O. Box 891973, Oklahoma City Oklahoma 73189-1973. For any more info, call Sherry A. Girty, NNAVA, Secretary of Counseling Services Center at 785-749-9445.
You are so right. I haven't posted here
for this very reason. Certain posters (you know who you are) will come here to bash posts even when they are addressed to liberals. Apparently it doesn't matter to them that the moderator has repeatedly asked them not to do so and they can't seem to resist the urge to come over to this board when, in fact, they have their own. They've done it to me, they've done it to PK and others. Good luck to you...it's too bad, 'cause they ruin the discussion for everyone else and it gets to the point where it just isn't worth it.
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