poll: how many think we are headed for another great depression
Posted By: shelly on 2008-10-24
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Another book about the Great Depression
The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. I'm about halfway through it now and it's amazing - it could have been written about the last several years instead of the 1920s.
The people during the Great Depression were more self-sufficient that we are. sm
They could make a loaf of bread and farmed. They bartered for goods and services. They also had sound money (gold and silver) unless they left it in a bank deposit box or were duped into letting it be confiscated.
Thanks to the amended version of the Patriot Act, it is against the law to hoard food and water. Bank runs or inciting bank runs is a felony. Imagine that, it is against the law to try and protect your money. These crooks have everything covered.
Tent cities=Great Depression
Go to timesonline.co.uk and search for California tent cities. The homeless shelters there are OVERWHELMED and turn away as much as 200 people A NIGHT!!!! There are over 300 people living in one tent city ALONE! And these are not bums or derelicts, these are low to middle class income people who had been living paycheck to paycheck as most americans do, and lost their jobs and cannot find work.
Gee, and when was the last time this country saw tent cities like this? The Great Depression.
The unemployment rate in California is over 10% and has risen to 15% in some of the hardest hit states in the country. To say that this has been fabricated and that there is no crisis is just more of the republican elitist socially darwinistic pile of horse @!$%# that has been pervading the GOP.
It's time for all of you hard right conservatives to pull your head out of the sand and take a really good look at what YOUR republican president did to this country in the course of 8 years. Obama inherited one of the biggest messes in this country's history, and you are pssed off that he hasn't "fixed" it yet?!! Are you kidding!? He's been in office for not even two months. It took the Great Depression over a decade to be resolved, and your screaming over 2 MONTHS!!!!!!????
There are a lot of people hurting. And guess what, the CEO @!$%#s that helped cause the mess are laughing all the way to their bank accounts in Grand Cayman and couldn't give a @!$%# about the rest of the country. And who helped them get their egregious bonuses and compensation? Hmmmm, couldn't be the republicans that were in power for HOW LONG!!?? I'll tell you: from 1994-2006. Hmmmm, just long enough to deregulate the banks and lower the taxes on the wealthy enough to create the largest income gap in this country since the Industrial revolution.
The republicans f'd up big time. That is why they lost control. And they are continuing on that same wretched path with NO IDEAS on how to fix the mess they are mostly responsible for creating. Except tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP mantra. It's BS and you all need to stop buying into the rhetoric.
I am hoping with all my heart that Obama is a successful president and is doing what needs to be done to rectify this nation. Yes, he may fail. That is a risk you take with ANY president. But if any of you have even half a functioning brain you would wish for success as well. His failure will mean the failure of our country. And I don't know about you, but I certainly hope I never see that day.
Book about Great Depression, 1928 and 1929.
BOOK: The Crisis Of The Old Order By: Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.
In 1928 and 1929, the nation had reached, it seemed, a permanent plateau of prosperity. Businesses expanding. Foreign trade growing. The stock market was continuing to rise. And national leadership could not now be in more expert or safer hands. "I have no fears for the future of our country," said Herbert Hoover in his inaugural address in March 1929. "It is bright with hope."
There remained a few discordant voices, anxious in the main over the stock market boom. In spring 1929, Hoover summoned a special session of Congress to deal with these issues. The session was not a success. The Board's purpose was to control the flow of commodities to the market; one provision was to control temporary surpluses. The session adjourned from April to November without taking action on the tariff. Hoover wanted state public lands and reclamatin projects and related irrigation matters be withdrawn from national control and states to manage these affairs then Federal Government. President's attitude toward utilities regulation was similar.
Yet most Americans remained more interested in teh stock market than economic question and the few interest as now beginning to turn into concern.
Early 1929, Federal Reserve Board under pressures of NY Federal Reserve Bank, finally consented to warn member banks that they should not lend money for speculative purposes. But did not work. Some argued that a restrictive policy might well induce deflation. The board felt it created "a state of mind which breeds depression." It was certainly true that reducing the interest rate was a clumsy way of combatting THE BOOM. As long as the stock market offered highest returns, it was bound to have first call on funds. Higher interest rate would have slowed down investment, cause capitalization process and bring down prices of ALL CAPITAL ASSETS and thus discourage investment. President Hoover did nothing as he was preoccupied with his own mind and watched the Board run the course.
CHECK THIS OUT!!! Finally by summer 1929, some danger signs were apparent, STARTLING DECLINE IN BULIDING CONTRACTS. Residential construction for the entire year SANK. CONSUMER SPENDING WAS SLACKENING. By midsummer 1929, building began to fall off, wholesale commodity prices dropped. In August, Federal Reserve Board finally agreed to raise to 6 percent. In September Stock Exchange price were at the highest. On October 23, PRICES STARTED FALLING. WALL STREET WAS SHAKEN. Anxiety was suddenly infectious. As panic spread, stocks dropped. Hoover stated, "The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities is a sound and prosperous basis." As prices held for a week, bankers QUIETLY fed back into the stock market that they had bought on Black Thursday for further future storms.
Banks protected themselves against their customers. On Monday, new explosion of gloom and panic happend. General Motors stock lost nearly 2 million. It soon was an avalanche, vast numbers rushing to get out of the market. By noon, 8 million shares traded hands and by closing time, Exchange had broken all records with 16 million shares. By mid November the financial community began to survey the wreckage. New York Stock Exchange had fallen 40 percent in value.
CAUSE OF THE CRASH: Management's disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied benefits of increases in their own productivity. Decline of mass purchasing power (like our real estate in 2005?) as goods flowed out of expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry goods off the market. Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had overbuilt productive capacity and had thus saturated the economy. The slackening of the automotive and building industries. Businessmen trying TO SAVE THEMSELVES COULD ONLY WRECK THEIR SYSTEM. Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities of the markets. Ignored the weight of private debt. Result was both class and national disaster.
I don't think it's right but I think that's where we're headed.
Actually, we're all headed for the slaughter
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You sound like one of the more level headed posters here
I'm glad you don't hate him. Disagreeing with his viewpoints and policies is one thing, but I'm reading a lot of posts and you can tell a lot of people really hate him. I don't agree with some of his issues. I don't agree with some of McCain's issues. I think your also one of the first posters who said anything good about McCain. What just really worries me about McCain is his attitude, his mean temper, and his readiness to send us to war anywhere.
Oh, I think I may have not quite said it right in my original post. I wasn't blaming oil companies and CEOs for the mess we are in, I was stating (or trying to state) that they are the ones who decide who our next president will be (that and you know that secret group that meets every year "behind closed doors"). I still have very high doubts that the "people" pic our president (but I could be wrong of course).
Take a good look at your level headed poster...nm
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Towel-headed terrorist? Is that how you see ALL Moslems
a young man visiting his Kenyan relatives in search of his roots who is paying respect to his family and his host nation by donning traditional Dashiki and head gear. I also see a sense of pride in his expression...something that he is entitled to have. When in Rome...
McCain? A soldier who served his country with honor, came home and dumped his crippled wife and mother of his children, traded her in for a younger model, then turned around years later and exploited his POW status for political gain.
Asian markets were headed up til O was elected
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There are also those more level-headed Obama opponents
the "country first" message of the McCain campaign and who realize how dangerously destructive this divisive rhetoric can be. They have shown the courage and wisdom to embrace the outcome of the election and made the decision to MOVE FORWARD along with the rest of us. That would account for the additional support reflected in the 75%.
You sound a lot more clear and level headed than most on this board...
even in your drug-induced state! Feel better soon!
The "level-headed" people here voted for McCain.
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Great post, great insight, great analysis, thanks!..nm
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Shocking personal attacks after you just called people empty headed?
the hypocrisy is mind boggling and humorous at the same time.
Actually, it might very likely to into depression anyway,
is not so all-powerful that they can put the brakes on something that has taken on a life of its own. Unless the cogs that drive this economy are retooled (and that would mean the way banks operate, loans are made, homes are bought and sold, and priced, stocks are valued and invested in, yet), American workers/investors are going to come up with more realistic and less-speculative ways to make their money work for THEM, and not just some rich guy sitting on his 40-foot yacht.
If a depression is what you want...YES.
Obama is your man.
Oh, no ...DEPRESSION is exactly what we are
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I believe we will go into a depression
regardless of which idea they go with. I really don't think there is anyway out of this.
You know what really bugs me....and this is kind along the lines of the topic of equal pay........
If a caucasian male is making more money for doing the same job as an african american, by law the african american has the right to sue for legal pay. I'm cool with that. If you do the same job and think you deserve the same pay....more power to you. If an african american is making more money for doing the same job as a caucasian, the caucasian has no legal rights to sue for equal pay. I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound equal to me.
can you spell depression?
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And you don't think this recession (soon to be depression)...(sm)
has anything to do with it? Hey, that's what republicans want, big business to grow fast--no regulation--me, me, me...
How about all those families that are going to suffer from this. Did they ask for it too?
Yes, I think there is a depression coming if it isn't already here. sm
I live in Michigan, on the west side of the state, but nonetheless in Michigan. We are so tied up in the auto industry that if the Big 3 crash and burn, Michigan may well just cease to exist. We have had 3 auto parts plants close down, Steelcase and Herman Miller are cutting jobs, because people are not hiring, so why make all that office furniture. There is nothing incoming to help take up the slack. Then, I heard on the news this morning that the city of Detroit has now appealed to the feds for help to bail it out. Detroit IS big 3 auto country. If Detroit tanks, so goes the rest of the state. Kwame Kilpatrick fallout not withstanding.
I like to think that as long as people get sick, I will have a job because I do acute care. And we all know that there are people who use the ED as a PCP. Hopefully my doctor in AZ can help me out, but he is a specialist, so who knows.
My 403(b) has lost half of what it used to be, and then I hear that they have suspended the sales of MRE's. But I think that is just over-excitable hype.
However....I have a feeling that the "Great Depression" 2008 style is coming. I don't think the "End Times" is coming, but something has to give or the United States of America will become another third world country.
Michigan is in a depression.
I was born and raised in Michigan. Your state has been hit hard. I live in the Northwest and in my neighborhood, I have 8 new families who have moved in and guess where they are from? Michigan. A lot of my family members in Michigan believe that the Oil companies should bail out the 3 car companies, not from taxpayers money. Family members do not seem to care if the car companies fold because they are already in worse shape. My cousin, last family relative working for the GM, took an early retirement package given to him 2-3 weeks BEFORE the financial crisis hit US. He was very lucky. I have family members considering moving to the Northwest and 1 family already is here and just love it.
depression statistics
This sounds familiar:
http://eh.net/Clio/Publications/unemployment.html
I meant recession, not depression. nm
I guess my depression medication
must be working because I am happy to see in our lifetime that a woman and an African American can run for the presidency and possibly win. Times are changing. People are opening their eyes to a new day. Maybe we won't see a change in the economy in the near future, but we should all do our part to at least try to put lawmakers into office who have the peoples' best interest at heart. We pay taxes and these elected officials work for us. We can start by putting state representatives in office who will work for us in Washington. We voted for them and we can fire them. They work for us. We do have a voice.
All getting so depression. I doubt there is a single
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strategies for coping with the depression
I am paying off debt. Made my garden bigger. Planted some fruit trees. Stocked my pantry. But I don't want to take in any relatives......I would rather pass out free zuchini.
If we are in a full blown depression...(sm)
then I think the number of illegals coming into the country will lessen. If we can't offer them anything better here why would they come? I think there will be more pressure on the ones here because they will be competing for jobs. When Americans can't find jobs, I think they will be more likely to point out illegals or suspected illegals to lessen competition.
Per the experts, we officially went into a depression today...nm
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It is not HATE, it is love of country and depression
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McCain's top economic advisor says we are in a "mental depression" sm
and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.
How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?
Change recession to depression and I'll agree with you.
They just signed America's death warrant.
I feel no hope, but a huge depression coming.
it is going to be a long, crazy, up and down, scary ride. I do not see any hope, but failure for this country. Will NEVER be the same. You all who wanted change are going to get it. I am not sure what change the O keeps talking about, but it does not sound good to me at all. I want to have hope, but I cannot stand who the O picked for Chief of Staff. Hiliary Clinton stated yesterday, IN HER OWN WORDS, were not good about him at all. The only vocabulary that he has coming out of his mouth is 4-letter words. He is nothing but a JERK. So I guess that means we all can act like Rahm Emanuel and maybe we all can get somewhere in life? I do not think so, but that is who the O picked. I guess I should read DickMorris' book when he worked with President Clinton and Rhambo who is not very trusthworthy individual. It seems to me is psycho. Starting to stock up on paper products, toilet paper, paper towels and even tampons since paper products were hard to find during the depression. If the car companies do not get bailed out, look out country. I do have mixed feelings about bailing out car companies though. I wish we could, but then it will be bailing them out for the next 2 years and then next in line will be airline companies. WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
Counterinsurgents thrust nation into full blown depression.
How is that possible? Looks like we still have quite a ways to go before we hit the Rovian rock bottom.
war, depression, recession, collapse of financial system, people losing
homes, natural disasters unattended to, collapsing bridges, earmark bridges. Address those first, save flag for later.
I took the poll...sm
Sounds like Lewis needs to stay in the house unless the owner is with him. That should solve the problem.
Poll
It is
50 for Obama
43 for McCain
how about the AP poll...
Which shows the two candidates dead even? and if the polls are accurate, how come every one of them has different numbers? And furthermore, they only show the people who responded; I know I got several calls and I don't tell any stranger on the phone who I am voting for. This is my business and only mine. so don't be naive enough to think the polls are the be-all and end-all. look at how many times the polls have shown one candidate as a clear frontrunner who then went on to lose the election.
there was a poll on here
not too long ago and if I remember correctly, at least at the time I saw it, the majority on here seemed to be with McCain; of course I don't take polls too seriously either. TATA... Enjoy your week!!! :)
How about a poll?
Some of us who choose Obama have posted our reasons for doing so. How about you pubs posting your REAL reasons for voting for McCain. What do you think (or hope) McCain will do for you and all of us?
poll
You asked for whom we were voting for. I didn't realize my choice wasn't sincere since I didn't give an explanation in the post. I've stated my reasons enough on this board. Also, I'm not Republican, rather Independent.
I'm not being snippy in this post. I just wanted to state why I didn't post my reason under my vote. :)
I'm voting for McCain, but I think Obama is going to win in all honestly.
The man at the poll said
I just wore jeans, orange top with lighter orange sweater. The guy helping at the poll had to pull the top part of my ballot off before I stuck it in the machine. He said: "Now I've just got to rip your top off ... I mean the top of your ballot." :)
Gorgeous here today!! Low 70s, I think. (Michigan)
Sorry - that was not my poll -
I did not post a poll before that I remember. And in case you have not been reading my posts for the last months, I voted for Obama the first day my county would allow me to vote...
Particularly a CNN poll.
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This poll truly makes me ill....sm
85% Of Troops In Iraq Think Saddam Was Involved In 9/11, 77% Think Supported Al-Qaeda.
You can't blame them either. I cannot imagine what it be like to know what they are doing over there is all connected to nothing but BS. The cognitive dissonance would be unbearable.
Re: Poll/Survey sm
There are a lot of concerns and issues facing the nation at this time and for some reason my gut tells me substance will be the major factor in the next election, at least I hope so. Thus far the two candidates that have caught my attention are Obama and Romney, but the election is quite a ways off and I need to do more research. Anyway I hope that religion/hairstyles/past lovers, etc., take a back seat to substance/ability/issues in the next election.
depends on what poll you are looking at
I've seen recent polls that put both Clinton and Obama about even with McCain when matched up together and others that show both of them come out ahead of McCain 5-10 points. Others then show McCain ahead. Polls are so subjective that you have to take them with a grain of salt. The most telling thing to me is that Democratic vote turnout has been twice that of Republican turnout in some areas, so no matter what people are saying in the polls, getting them to the voting booths in November is a different matter. The Democrats are energized and enthusiastic, flocking to the polls. The Republicans overall are leukwarm on McCain (and the party in general) and it's showing in unenthusiastic turnouts. This will play very well for whomever the Democratic candidate is in November.
You might want to check your poll
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USA Today poll
9/5 - 9/7
McCain 54
Obama 44
Actually....this is the actual poll...
While Republicans and Democrats predictably favor their party’s candidate by overwhelming margins, the experience gap among voters unaffiliated with either party is even narrower than the national totals. Forty-two percent (42%) say Obama has better experience to be president, but 37% say Palin does.
These are unaffiliated voters....37% of which say she has more experience to be President. That is just a 5% difference...not 61%.
Ahem.
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