parents signed their child up for the religion teaching
Posted By: of choice....theirs was Islam! on 2009-05-07
In Reply to: When? Only these four years, maybe, when he was - No
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What kind of moral teaching she had as a child is no
reflection of whether or not she has a child out of wedlock. My 18-year-old niece was raised in church, had good Christian parents and got pregnant before marriage. You can only teach a child. You can't force him or her to live by your own convictions. 
Freedom of religion? Since when is teaching hate a
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that is, if the child does not want the parents to know at all
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Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.
I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
Who in the world would want to give birth to a child a child conceived during rape?????..nm
Again:L How many children do you have?
I am teaching a small ESL
course in grammar. Two examples I use
President Bush flew BACK from vacation to sign the Terri Schiavo legislation.
President Bush flew OVER the Katrina victims.
It seems to help them understand better.
I hardly think that teaching kids...(sm)
how NOT to bash LGBTs is going to "force homosexuality upon your kids." Give me a break! They aren't teaching Peter how to kiss Paul. They're teaching Peter how not to beat up Paul. I think it's really sad that this actually has to be a lessen in school in the first place, and in grammar school at that --- not because of the LGBT issues being brought to light, but because of the parents who have obviously taught their kids that its okay to bash others who are different. How many times have you called an LGBT a bad name in front of your kids? Hmmm....
They aren't teaching
Peter how to kiss Paul. They are, however, trying to reinforce to our children that if Peter kisses Paul, it's acceptable. We will continue to teach them that it's not. We do not teach our kids to bash others who are different but to bash the bad behaviors that others engage in. The homosexual community's doublespeak isn't going to work.
Teaching about contraception is the key, IMHO
We need to start teaching men and women about contraception. Im amazed when I read medical reports at how many do not use anything or the *rhythm method*. Yes, I agree with you..I would love for there to be no thing such as abortion..It is a terrible thing, breaks my heart, however, until we educate people about contraception and taking responsibility for their sexual lives, abortion will continue, whether it is legal or not..and that is the terrible part. I can remember back in NY in the 1970s..Abortion was not legal..and women ended up dead in back room alleys, dirty motel rooms, in their own homes, trying to end a pregnancy with a coat hanger, their insides ripped out. I remember seeing pictures in Ms Magazine of police files of women who died trying to terminate a pregnancy. I fear it will go back to that..
The only ones teaching hate are people
you continue to lie and say he is. He is not teaching hate. In fact, it's quite the opposite. He's showing grace and dignity and trying to bring people together, but about 20% of Americans don't want that. They want to continue the divide that Bush started. 20% people hate Obama and they represent most of the posts on this board, day after day, whining, complaining, moaning and lying about Obama.
You would deny healthcare to people who need it. You would deny Social Security benefits to those who worked all their lives. As long as you have yours, you don't care about anyone else. There's a whole thread on this page devoted to hatred of gays and gay marriage. There's also a thread devoted to a **hate crimes bill** that you all hate, as well. Don't worry. Hatred comes from the heart, so you're not in danger of losing any of the overflowing supply you seem to harbor.
So it's the **national day of prayer**. There is not one person in this country who is deprived the right to pray. Not one. Everyone can pray regardless of their religion. The day was intended for everyone of all faiths to come together and pray for our country to succeed. But you don't want that. You, Cooter and Rush and the other nut jobs out there want it to fail. There are a lot of good people who happen to be Muslim, just as there are a lot of bad people who claim to be Christian. There are good and bad in both. One religion is no better than any other. They are all equal in this country. That's what freedom of religion means.
There's probably a good reason that there isn't a **national day of government** in churches across this country.
Once again, Obama is not a Muslim and you're a sick, hateful pathetic liar. If any harm comes to President Obama it will be from someone who hallucinates and promotes hatred just like you do.
What is your problem with just teaching no bullying
There is no need to point out homosexuals as being people they should not pick on. Why pick out any single type of kid?
Did you ever hear of just teaching your child to be nice to people, to not name call, bully or pick on anyone? That would just about wrap it up wouldn't it?
There are many young children in elementary school that do not even know the term "homosexual", so I certainly don't believe it is the school's job to bring that to the attention of a child. That is the parent's responsibility to explain what homosexuality is, if they so choose.
You think for a minute if a school starts talking about tolerance of homosexuals that questions wouldn't arise about what they do, what that means, why they do that, and every other question they could possibly imagine? I sure as heck don't care for the school system to educate my child on gays or their lifestyle, thank you very much!
Teaching a child about not making fun of a child with disabilities is NOT the same as teaching a child about homosexuals. You believe homosexuality to be a "disability". Funny you brought up those two things together..........
No sell!
'Fuzzy math ' - isn't that what they're teaching in all the
So that they'll be even more adept at rigging election results than last time?
LOL. *Liberal Religion* = ANY religion that isn't YOURS.
You don't want EQUALITY in religion. You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others. You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American. You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.
You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court. And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.
Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.
There already ARE religous schools and universities. Isn't THAT enough for you?
And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE? I believe they're called CHURCHES. Isn't THAT enough for you, either?
Nope. You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*
The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!
Because the Muslim religion is the only religion that says.....
Convert or die.
Palin believes teaching abstinence only is the thing to do - nm
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Pastors would be held responsible from the pulpit just teaching
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Don't think so. There is a signed
agreement until 2011. The O can't pull out the troops as fast as he wants and, anyway, he wants to put them in Afghanistan, so how will thant end the war? It won't, not until the terrorists are taken out.
This comes from someone who signed off on a....sm
stimulus bill that was so full of pork which, BTW, he still says was not - yeah, right. I feel so much better now.
he signed NAFTA, and now
my job's gone over there, over there, and it won't be back, naw, it ain't ever coming back, and the buck won't stop until it's gone over there.
ditto all you said.
OBAMA signed it too...
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Me too! He's just signed on for the toughest
He's inherited a huge pile of problems in this country, and around the world that the US is involved in, and considering the mess he's up against, we can't expect everything to be coming up roses soon, and in some cases ever. But I truly believe he's sincere about at least TRYING to do something about putting this country and its people right again. I also believe things are probably going to get worse, possibly a LOT worse, before they can start to get better. But at least now I feel we have some hope.
I wish nothing but the best to President-Elect Obama and his family!
It's done. He just signed the package.
Got a kick out the guy who owns a small business out there. So young and employs 55 people in 3 years. He mispronounced Biden's name and everybody laughed. I don't think he realized what he did. He was nervous.
True, he signed it, but...
I think the cartoon was rather referring to the monkeys we have in Congress - they were the ones that actually wrote the bill. I don't know - maybe I'm just looking at it differently.
Sorry, I should have signed this not "sm" but
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His own mother signed him up as Muslim
This was at a public school in Indonesia, where other faiths are taught as well. The records are there in his mother's handwriting. She signed him up not to have Christian lessions but Islamic.
That's what the cartoon says, but Obama signed it..nm
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It's on youtube and in the documents signed
They "double speak" in the documents. Things like - "It is totally voluntary, everyone ages 18-25 WILL serve. This is something they are required to do as a citizen, total voluntary, and will make them better citizens". I may be off by one or two words but if you pull up youtube and type in Rahm Emanuel mandatory service there are a few different videos you can watch. It's also in the bills they passed. They are just calling it something different than the military because it's easier to hide it that way. Which by the way, once your child signs the papers and has had their basic training there is nothing that will stop them from being called to go fight in a war - after all "its their patriotic duty", oh and they shouldn't ever complain about it either.
I'll tell you, it's turning into a very scary country and I'm wondering if anyone in WA has a backbone anymore.
HMMMM...over 16,000 signed petition
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Well, you just signed your death warrant on this board
because you just listed many things the liberals here hold as Gospel.
It would not matter. If I had posted that question and signed it...
obama supporter they would have known it was me, or would have assumed it was a Republican...which are equally bad in their eyes...because they know one democrat would never ask another democrat that question. They can't answer it. If they said yes, well you know what that suggests. They couldn't say no either, because they think whatever Obama does is right.
That is the difference in us. If OBama was the President, and he made as good a case as was made for going into Iraq (back when everybody including the Democrats believed there was wMD, were for it before they were against it), I would support him, because it would be in the best interest of the country. That is putting country first.
I might be sick about everything else he plans to do as President, but if he used military force to keep Iran from getting a nuke, yes, I would support Barack Obama. You heard it here first.
On the other hand, if he didn't and the inevitable resulted...I would take him to task. That also is putting country first...before party, before politics.
But that is just me.
But he just signed a bill filled with earmarks???
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Young black man said he signed up 73 times
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VIRGINIA TECH. That's why this bill was signed.
If you remember, most of the mass shootings, etc. are done by people who are not quite "there" mentally. Virginia Tech is a good example. That boy was mentally ill and was not allowed to own a firearm, yet he did buy one because the database did not include his name. It could have been avoided had all the state databases been tied to the NCIS.
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=485
I signed and already heard back from my Congressman
of course, it was a generic letter that the matter is being looked into, etc., but at least I know they got it. I hope we can all bombard their offices with e-mails. We have to have our voices heard.
Please everyone, no matter what your political inclinations, this is for the good of the MT industry - our very jobs. Make your voice heard!
He was signed up for Islamic teachings 4 hours
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Stepfather adopted him as Muslim and he was signed up
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Thank God there are parents who do not think as you.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if Bill Clinton signed this into law, but it surely came to be
under his watch.
Unlike the "Bush supporters" of this day and time, I can and will admit when a president I admired (Bill Clinton) has done something I disagree with.
Me too! My parents both Democrats....
the Zell Miller kind. THAT Democratic party is no more.
It wasn't the parents
It was the caretakers in the orphanages that physically and sexually abused these children and subsequently murdered them (approximately 1910-1940). The parents gave them up because they could not care for them. There are drugs that cause miscarriage. That is abortion. There are natural causes for miscarriage (dilating cervix, the fetus is still alive). That is abortion. Overturning Roe vs. Wade will not improve the quality of life for anyone. There will just be more backroom abortions and more unwanted children eking out a miserable existence. Like I said, I will leave the judgment part up to God. And abortion isn't the only thing they want abolished - birth control is on the list, too. I guess married couples should just abstain from sex after they have had their required amount of religiously acceptable children. Some countries impose abortion on their women, I guess we are lucky not to have been born in one of those countries, otherwise, we'd burn in heck!
I asked my parents about this
and they both laughed at me. My father comes from a very politically involved family. My dad tells me things were very charged when Kennedy ran and especially when Nixon ran. He has especially bad memories of the Nixon campaign.
I don't believe that the language of your parents. sm
has anything to do with being qualified to be the POTUS. We are about to have a POTUS whose father was not a US citizen.
But till the age of 18, it is the PARENTS
who decide what is, according to their opinion, better or worse.
And this applies also to abortion, if you like it or not.
Because there are responsible parents out there who think that producing a child entails also RAISING this child and not giving it up for adoption.
And if they cannot maintain this child, things happen!- they choose pro-choice.
Well, many parents would love to put
their children in Christian schools but you screaming God-hating liberals hate school vouchers. :) I suppose you don't mind sending your kids to public education. You want them to be just like commie, perverted mom.
Elderly parents
I think what we are going to see more of in the future is multiple generations living under one roof. It's going to be the only way anyone will be able to afford to live. They've done this in other countries for years because of the high cost of living. The elderly will not be able to afford to live on their own. Our children will not be able to afford to live on their own because they won't be able to find jobs.
My parents were smart like that too.
My dad worked for GM for 30+ years and retired in his 60s only because he wasn't capable of working anymore. They paid off their house. They had one credit card that they paid off every month if they used it. Dad had cash in the bank, stashed in other places, etc. Now my dad has been gone for almost 2 years now and my mom is living in her paid off house by herself. All that hard work that my father did to make sure that she would be taken care of after he was gone and now GM is doing horrible. Not sure what will happen to my mother's healthcare through GM or the pension my father worked so hard for. It is truly a shame if his blood, sweat, and tears of 30+ years didn't amount to anything.
A lot of younger people nowadays don't know what it is to work for what you have. Everyone wants things given to them now and that is a huge reason why I have a problem with welfare. It doesn't help the people who really need a hand up. All of these government assistant programs will do nothing but make people more lazy and dependent on others to give to them. I'd rather work for what I have and tell the government to leave me the heck alone, but that is just me.
The average American has 10K in credit card debt and think that is just sad. My DH and I have one credit card and we pay it off every month. The only thing we owe on is our house and it sucks that I'm terrified about losing it because the economy is so bad when my DH and I have been nothing but responsible with our money. We just keep plugging along and hoping that DH's job isn't one of the ones on the chopping block. If we keeps his job, we will be okay. However, if he doesn't, especially with a new baby on the way, we are in deep sh!t!
The parents liked the idea of....(sm)
having a website that students could use for their class. I have no problem with that. A lot of teachers do that. AGAIN, the problem is that it was a conservative website.
Teaching our children partisan politics when they are supposed to be learning history is completely not acceptable.
I also happen to agree that "real" history for the most part is not taught in high school. You only get the real stuff when you reach college, if you're lucky enough to get a good professor. However, I doubt very seriously what you call "real history" and the facts would match up.
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Both of my parents were registered Democrats....
I grew up in a Democrat household. That being said...my parents would not recognize the Democratic party as it is today. And they could not be classified as liberals, based on what I hear and see from those who call themselves liberals. I should be more specific I suppose...when I say "liberals" I am referring to those who post here who have identified themselves as liberals, and those I have seen in print and in the media who identify themselves as liberals. That is my basis. Really has nothing to do with registered Democrats...I have no way of knowing if the liberals who post here and identify themselves as such are registered Democrats. Color me confused because I was lamblasted by some who identified themselves as liberals, proceeded to tell me there were no true liberals in the Democratic party (well, that is news to them then, because many of them call themselves liberals). That is when I made the comment that it was hardly to understand what a liberal really was when there are those who define themselves as liberals who are also Democrats and those who define themselves as liberals and say there are no liberals in the democratic party. Yeah...that is a little confusing. However...that being said...when you see me post something about "liberals" I am talking about those I have come into contact with...either in my personal life, on this board, or in print or media...all who have defined themselves as "liberals." Certainly not everyone in the country...have not met them and have no idea what THEIR interpretation of liberal is. I just have to go with what I have experience with. That being said...in my personal life are two stepdaughters who define themselves as liberals, and we have lively debates, believe me. However, I see the same tendencies in them that I see in some here who define themselves as liberal. Doesn't mean we do not care about each other, because we do. We love each other through it. But those who do not have a personal relationship with someone with opposing view...seem to want to demonize the other side. We are all Americans...and we should be able to love each other through it. And as a country we are not doing that...we are doing the opposite, and letting people like Ann Coulter and AL Franken divide us even further...when we should be condemning both. That is all I am saying... :-)
Obama's parents were never married.
Do I have to do ALL the research around here?
Y'all are so naive!
What about parents who don't discuss with their kids?
And so you know right off, I'm not a Barack fan nor McCain fan. However, my own personal beliefs aside, I believe "it takes a village to raise a child" and there are FAR too many parents NOT doing their jobs these days, which forces schools, governments, etc. to jump in to help. I see far too many parents who'd just as soon go to the bar than raise their child. There are parents who are apathetic, and there are parents who are embarrassed or ill-informed themselves to teach their kids sex ed. I don't think sex ed is a problem at all in school, so long as it's in the context of health education and not presented to students in a biased manner of some sort. It IS how mammals reproduce and therefore does have a place in education.
God gave us free will and if you try to control the free will of someone else, how is that right? I believe in consequences of free will when someone chooses wrong, which is why we have laws in place. I don't believe it's any one person's or party's place to tell another how to live their life, period.
Personally, I'd like to see more parents do their jobs at home so gov't and schools didn't have to do it for them (and all the rest of us too as a result), and sure, ideally I'd like to see more kids abstaining from sex altogether. But I'm also a realist and know that my beliefs and willpower aren't the same as everyone else's. That's what is supposed to be great about USA.
The reality is that not all kids have the willpower to abstain in the heat of the moment, no matter WHAT their upbringing or what wonderful parents they have. As you said, it's everywhere - on TV, movies, ads, games, you name it! It's in their face now more than ever, so to ignore it and act like it won't ever happen isn't the answer, either. No, I don't know what the answer is, either, but I don't think that's it.
Also, to take away any access to sex ed and/or birth control at all is in a sense forcing the ideals/morals of one group of people on another and basically taking the free will of the other group - how do you reconcile that? I'm being sincere, as this question plagues me often when considering these issues.
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