not toward secular progressives is right! LOL
Posted By: Emily Ayn on 2008-09-03
In Reply to: Change....away from NeoCons. - Not toward SP's worldview. nm
realize that could mean two things when you abbreviate...
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progressives don't like to
wildly exaggerate so probably estimated low to avoid being hysterically over the top.
Progressives harping about camp finance reform for years.
We've heard virtually nothing out of the republican party on this issue (except resistance) until how. Why is that? Could it be because they never expected democrats to beat them at their own game?
Spare us the phoney outrage. As the law stands now, those small potatoes contributions up to $200 have not been an issue until Obama received such a landslide of them and raised more money than any other candidate in history.
You want somebody to do something about this? You will have to start at the beginning...swallow the bitter pill and enact campaign finance reform. Until then, you can raise all the questions you want to raise.
PS: Ghadafi's claims that foreign national fundraising is "legitimate" is pertinent to this argument how? Have you seen the global electoral map lately? The entire world has their eyes on this election (hoping against hope we will not elect another saber-rattler) and are entitled to have an opinion.
http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/ Take a look.
Down through the ages, the US has been a secular govt.
has been upheld in countless court challenges and it is a given in the civilized world, last time I checked.
Since the beginning of time, human beings have elaborated their cultures through differences in individual appearance (style/fashion), family and social structures, community organization, economy, law, government, nationality, language and religions. They will continue to do that until the end of time. Your gloom and doom prognostications of world government and world religion are too ridiculous to address to any further extent.
How about a secular event for a change
Practice a little separation f church and state. What a concept.
Iraqis march for secular state...
See link for entire article.
Meanwhile, Tuesday, Officials said insurgents were trying to deepen the political turmoil surrounding the contested vote. Preliminary figures have given a big lead to the religious Shiite bloc that controls the current interim government.
The new violence came as three opposition groups threatened a wave of protests and civil disobedience if fraud charges are not properly investigated. The warning came from the secular Iraqi National List, headed by former Shiite Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, and two Sunni Arab groups.
More than 10,000 people, some carrying photos of Allawi, demonstrated Tuesday in favor of a government that would give more power to Sunni Arabs and secular Shiites. Marches chanted No Sunnis, no Shiites, yes for national unity.
We're protesting to reject the elections fraud. We want to ask the government and the elections commission: 'Where did our votes go? Who stole them?' said Abdul Hamid Abdul Razzaq, a 45-year-old barber who attended the massive protest.
A similar protest in Baqouba ended with arrests. Police rounded up several people — most of them high school students — and took them into custody, Donelan reports.
Iraq's Electoral Commission said Monday that final results for the 275-seat parliament could be released in about a week.
Sunni Arab and secular Shiite factions are demanding that an international body review more than 1,500 complaints, warning they may boycott the new legislature. They also want new elections in some provinces, including Baghdad. The United Nations has rejected an outside review.
We will resort to peaceful options, including protests, civil disobedience and a boycott of the political process until our demands are met, said Hassan Zaidan al-Lahaibi of the Sunni-dominated Iraqi Front for National Dialogue. He spoke in neighboring Jordan, where representatives of the groups have met in recent days.
The election commission considers 35 of the complaints serious enough to change some local results. But Farid Ayar, a commission official, said there was no reason to cancel the entire election.
He also said preliminary results from early votes by soldiers, hospital patients, prisoners and overseas Iraqis showed a coalition of Kurdish parties and the main Shiite religious bloc each taking about a third. Those nearly 500,000 votes were not expected to alter overall results significantly.
Preliminary results previously released gave the United Iraqi Alliance, the religious Shiite coalition dominating the current government, a big lead — but one unlikely to allow it to govern without forming a coalition with other groups.
Alliance leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim traveled to the northern Kurdish city of Irbil on Tuesday to discuss the formation of a governing coalition with Jalal Talabani, Iraq's Kurdish president, and Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish region.
Al-Hakim's secretary Haitham al-Husseini said there would also be negotiations with Sunni Arabs. Al-Husseini said the Alliance has proposed distributing the top six Cabinet positions, the three-member presidency council and top three parliament slots among the political blocs.
Your religion is in tatters if you need secular judges to give you salvation.
I thought you already had it.
Biblical worldview versus secular worldview
Here's where the debate breaks down, and we come to an impasse...
You come from a secular world view, and I come from a Biblical world view. I see where marriage was ordained in the Garden of Eden. You see that it was established later on based on economics. You see us as just animals, but I see us as being higher than the animals though mammalian in design. You think because ancient societies embraced homosexuality (the Greek empire and the Roman empired that it made homosexuality okay). I see the reason these societies fell/dissolved was because of their overly decadent lifestyles which included rampant homosexuality and far worse killing other humans as sport. You know, Christians were fed to Lions and burned from poles for lamplight in ancient Rome.
Because I come from Biblical worldview you see me as judgemental and intolerant, but from my worldview I see the historical consequences societies have paid for endorsing and embracing ideas such as homosexuality and disregard for human life.
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