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not biting....go away your snide little tongue in check post.....nm

Posted By: nm on 2008-09-28
In Reply to: John McCain - wickedwicky




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Tongue firmly in cheek during that post....
after we have all been regaled here about why we should not be judgmental and be more open-minded like Barry from Chicago and the Europeans...LOL...well, the worm is turning it looks like. More power to him...at least he walks the walk as well as talks the talk. More than I can say for Barry from Chicago. lol. ;-)
I'm pretty sure that Pope post was tongue in cheek.

There is nothing snide in the OP.
The OP is a critical thinker and has given a logical, well considered response to your post. My eyebrows have not bee raised in the slightest by Obama's statements. There is nothing in the OP that takes issue with YOUR offense to Obama's statement, but to go on to say that "MANY Americans" march lockset alongside you is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? You also seem to be twisting the context (as the OP observed McCain supporters often do) to conflate a word into a "path" Obama is traveling down. Far-fetched would be a polite way to describe that conclusion.

I am wondering what else does not quite "sit right with you. Would McCain camp's silence on and flight from the economic meltdown issue be one of those things? Seems to me that for "many Americans," it does not go down well at all.

Your hypocrisy statement is illogical to the point of incoherence, couched in an extreme exaggeration of Obama's DARING to employ religious reference. Here's a news flash for McCain's supporters. Obama is just as free to exercise his first Amendment rights the next guy and Right-wing fanatics do now own religious reference. Furthermore, Obama is certainly not trying to inject GOD into government by the mere use of the English word "epiphany" in one of his sentences. Talk about radical. That double standard accusation is overplayed to such an extent it is taking on the spectre of "boy cries wolf." No trivial to address. The messiah allegory is just as impotent and falls into the same category of campaign "issues."

Obama is not trying to be anybody's personal savior. He is nothing more than a candidate running for office and, at the moment, happens to be the one who is enjoying a double-digit lead in the polls.
Why don't you check out your own post

and fix your errors.  There are plenty. 


Plural form, punctation, wrong words, get my drift??


Check out the "at 40,000/yr" post below.
the shaft.
Scared of the map? Check out the post
and THEN wait for that election. T-minus 10 and counting.
You should check your facts before you post - see link
Anyone looking for Barack Obama's real sentiments about whites, blacks and Muslims won't find them in this scurrilous collection of falsified, doctored and context-free "quotations." The e-mail claims to feature words taken from Obama's books, "The Audacity of Hope" (2006) and "Dreams from My Father" (1995, republished in 2004). But we found that two of the quotes are false, and others have been manipulated or taken out of context.

We have received many inquiries about this from readers whose suspicions were aroused, with good reason. Aside from the fact that the e-mail incorrectly cites the title of Obama's book as "Dreams of My Father," rather than "Dreams from My Father," you may have noticed that none of the quotes in this e-mail contain page references. This should be a sign to any reader that the author is trying to pull a fast one, betting that you won't take the time to read through all 806 pages of Obama's books to get to the facts.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
Bite Your Tongue !!!!!
 He has been my governor for 8 loooooooong years. He is smarter and more articulate than W but he is the definition of ruthless.
I have been holding my tongue on that ...sm
It is interesting though. These were Bush, Reagan, Ford and Clinton appointees that made this decision (5-3). And I see where the right is upset, but to me it is pivotal that they followed the law and not beliefs and I'll tell you why.

Charles Lane, writer for the Washington Times wrote (see link below), *Brushing aside administration pleas not to second-guess the commander in chief during wartime, a five-justice majority ruled that the commissions, which were outlined by Bush in a military order on Nov. 13, 2001, ***were neither authorized by federal law nor required by military necessity, and ran afoul of the Geneva Conventions.*** As a result, no military commission can try Salim Ahmed Hamdan, the former aide to Osama bin Laden whose case was before the justices, or anyone else, unless the president does one of two things he has resisted doing for more than four years: operate the commissions by the rules of regular military courts-martial, or ask Congress for specific permission to proceed differently.*

Looking at it this way, *Bush* NOT the Supreme Court, has held this up for four years when he could have done the prior one or two things. No president can just willy nilly make up things as he goes without going through the proper channels. This case is no different. Checks and balances is taught in elementary nowadays. I predict as he ways he will, he will get with Congress and they will collectively make a decision on something that will bring the POWs to justice (wishful thinking).

Do I want to see bin Laden's assistant, or any other war criminals walk? No, especially not the perpetrators in the 9-11 attacks. That's something I do not want to see come of this decision, but we must respect our own democracy in seeking justice.

This is just my opinion of what I understand is going on with the decision. If anyone can shed some more light on it I'd appreciate it. Have a good holiday weekend!
lol....I like how she sticks her tongue out at the end.
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Did you stick your tongue out at me too?
x
You have to check and double check every single thing they say. They're not capable of telling t
truth about anything.  It's getting very boring and tedious to read their crap.  Why won't they stay on their own board like they tell us to do?
Tongue firmly in cheek, please
Okay, I just checked out the website and have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is indeed a joke. Somebody's got WAAAY too much time on their hands (funny if you read it in the right frame of mind, scary if you take it seriously).
Sometimes comments are made tongue in cheek....
like Obama saying (in response to comment about Bill Clinton being the first "black President:" he would have to see Clinton dance to see if he was really a "brotha." Imagine the bruhaha if Rush Limbaugh said that.

That being said...again I invite people to check out Obama's church and his pastor. The pastor has made several racist comments, not only about whites in general, but Jews in particular. Jesse Jackson has as well. There are a host of black racists out there. The pastor is a great admirer of Louis Farrakhan (the pastor). They don't come much more racist than Louis Farrakhan.

And, frankly...Rush Limbaugh is not running for President. Barack Hussein Obama IS.

I would think his ties to racism would worry a person much more than a talk show host.

Many times I think Rush Limbaugh is over the top; however, he is also very astute and makes some very good points...if he did not, liberals would not hate him to the degree they hate him. The same people who decry him laud people on the other side...but I guess as long as it is conservatives being made fun of vs liberals...that is acceptable? Sigh. Sometimes the truth pinches...sometimes it downright hurts.
The only thing sam exercises is forked tongue
su
Ever heard of tongue in cheek? Am adding comments
meant as a spoof, OT. Were I serious about this, then it would not be a case of tongue in cheek...rather foot in mouth.
Tongue in cheek political parody meant to mock
is generally not meant to be taken as fact. Those among us who actually stop and think before we post pretty much know this. BTW, please take your foot out of your mouth. It's not a pretty sight.
LOL, yes, be sure to check with gt before you believe anything. She knows it all.
x
I will check
I honestly dont remember..I will check the history in my computer and see if I can find it..It could have been on Huffington or Crooks and Liars, one of the news sites I frequent..but it was from a newspaper, an article they had posted on their site..I will look this weekend.  Dont jump at me..I do not want the president of the USA to be drinking again..I think if it is true it is sad and tragic for him both personally and professionally.
check this out
Check out http://groups.msn/home.  They have lots of political groups, without censorship!
Check this out PK.sm
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PressRelease_2Jul2006.html
Thank you VERY much! I shall check it out.
I commend you for the volunteer work also. It might drive me nuts to know more about the dirt in politics than what is already obvious...

thanks again :-)
check out wnd.com
xxx
check your
facts instead of making things up.  I do not mean the National Enquirer or Faux News. Karl Rove's people are advising McCain.  That is why you see the silliness of celebrity ads and ads about people when Obama was 8 years old.  At first, he tried to run on his own charisma and could get no attention -- all was focused on the charismatic young man from Chicago.  Rove's people came in and started the negative ads.  And McCain went right along with them. . ..
Thanks. I will check it out :) nm
nm
would you check it for me --

its seems to excite you.  Me, not so much.


 


check this out

You can see plenty on michaesavage.com. I tried to copy/paste it, but this is all that transferred.


Piggy pols in hog heaven with pork-packed pact (New York Post) Congressional deal-brokers slopped a mess of pork into the $700 billion rescue bill passed by the Senate last night - including a tax break for makers of kids' wooden arrows ... Top 10 tax sweeteners in the bailout bill (Taxpayers for Common Sense) The "Transportation fringe benefit to bicycle commuters" allows employers to provide a benefit for costs associated with bicycle commuting ...


Check this out
Awhile back my husband and I were picking up rocks off our property.  I said, "I'm so bone tired I can't hit another dick!"  Of course I meant to say that "I can't hit another lick."  My husband is still laughing.  So..........was I bone tired or not?  Certainly I knew what I meant to say but it didn't just come out just right.
You check it out..............sm
This same blog post can be found all over the internet, so it is not from just "some obscure web page." Look for yourself.

The only hole around here is going to be the one this whole nation finds itself in if Obama is elected.
you can check these, there are several others
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=h57H_7i3GLE&feature=related
Check this out and see what you think...

This is a video of T. Boone Pickens on the daily show.  If you don't like Jon Stewart, don't let that discourage you from checking this out.  Pickens is talking about the energy plan he has been promoting.


go to:   http://www.thedailyshow.com/


In the middle of the page is the video section.  Go under that to the "coming up next" box and pick T. Boone Pickens.


Sorry about the round about directions, but I couldn't find the interview anywhere else.


Maybe you should check yours.
November 5, Israeal kills 6 in raid. Israel has continued its crippling blockade and never complied with the original condition of the truce that the blockade be lifted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians


What I want to know is, how is this check
is supposed to be the tax cut he promised to 95% of the taxpayers. Now, that does not mean you have to pay INCOME taxes to get an income tax break, that would be if you pay any kind of taxes, sales tax, property tax, etc. If the government just sends me a check for $1000, this is my tax CUT, right? Now, I am supposed to take this money and spend it to stimulate the economy, right? Well, the check everyone got last year, mine and DHs went straight to the IRS, we never saw it. I expect the same thing to happen with this new one and I will still be paying the same tax rate as ever, until it is increased again. Where is my tax CUT? How many other *middle-income* folks do you think had this same situation?
BUT you won't get it in a check.
It's a payroll tax cut. It will show up in your pay. How much more can you do with $13 a week. That's what it comes out to for this year.
Check this out....(sm)

It's an older article, but the facts remain the same.


France's model healthcare system





MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.


Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.


The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.


An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.


That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.


Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.


Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.


It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.


Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians. How might the French case inform the US debate over healthcare reform?


National health insurance in France stands upon two grand historical bargains -- the first with doctors and a second with insurers.


Doctors only agreed to participate in compulsory health insurance if the law protected a patient's choice of practitioner and guaranteed physicians' control over medical decision-making. Given their current frustrations, America's doctors might finally be convinced to throw their support behind universal health insurance if it protected their professional judgment and created a sane system of billing and reimbursement.


French legislators also overcame insurance industry resistance by permitting the nation's already existing insurers to administer its new healthcare funds. Private health insurers are also central to the system as supplemental insurers who cover patient expenses that are not paid for by Sécurité Sociale. Indeed, nearly 90 percent of the French population possesses such coverage, making France home to a booming private health insurance market.


The French system strongly discourages the kind of experience rating that occurs in the United States, making it more difficult for insurers to deny coverage for preexisting conditions or to those who are not in good health. In fact, in France, the sicker you are, the more coverage, care, and treatment you get. Would American insurance companies cut a comparable deal?


Like all healthcare systems, the French confront ongoing problems. Today French reformers' number one priority is to move health insurance financing away from payroll and wage levies because they hamper employers' willingness to hire. Instead, France is turning toward broad taxes on earned and unearned income alike to pay for healthcare.


American advocates of mandates on employers to provide health insurance should take note. The link between employment and health security is a historical artifact whose disadvantages now far outweigh its advantages. Economists estimate that between 25 and 45 percent of the US labor force is now job-locked. That is, employees make career decisions based on their need to maintain affordable health coverage or avoid exclusion based on a preexisting condition.


Perhaps it's time for us to take a closer look at French ideas about healthcare reform. They could become an import far less "foreign" and "unfriendly" than many here might initially imagine.


Paul V. Dutton is associate professor of history at Northern Arizona University and author of "Differential Diagnoses: A Comparative History of Health Care Problems and Solutions in the United States and France," which will be published in September. "


Check this out....(sm)

It's an older article, but the facts remain the same.


France's model healthcare system





MANY advocates of a universal healthcare system in the United States look to Canada for their model. While the Canadian healthcare system has much to recommend it, there's another model that has been too long neglected. That is the healthcare system in France.


Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.


The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.


An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.


That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.


Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.


Nor do France's doctors face the high nonmedical personnel payroll expenses that burden American physicians. Sécurité Sociale has created a standardized and speedy system for physician billing and patient reimbursement using electronic funds.


It's not uncommon to visit a French medical office and see no nonmedical personnel. What a concept. No back office army of billing specialists who do daily battle with insurers' arcane and constantly changing rules of payment.


Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians. How might the French case inform the US debate over healthcare reform?


National health insurance in France stands upon two grand historical bargains -- the first with doctors and a second with insurers.


Doctors only agreed to participate in compulsory health insurance if the law protected a patient's choice of practitioner and guaranteed physicians' control over medical decision-making. Given their current frustrations, America's doctors might finally be convinced to throw their support behind universal health insurance if it protected their professional judgment and created a sane system of billing and reimbursement.


French legislators also overcame insurance industry resistance by permitting the nation's already existing insurers to administer its new healthcare funds. Private health insurers are also central to the system as supplemental insurers who cover patient expenses that are not paid for by Sécurité Sociale. Indeed, nearly 90 percent of the French population possesses such coverage, making France home to a booming private health insurance market.


The French system strongly discourages the kind of experience rating that occurs in the United States, making it more difficult for insurers to deny coverage for preexisting conditions or to those who are not in good health. In fact, in France, the sicker you are, the more coverage, care, and treatment you get. Would American insurance companies cut a comparable deal?


Like all healthcare systems, the French confront ongoing problems. Today French reformers' number one priority is to move health insurance financing away from payroll and wage levies because they hamper employers' willingness to hire. Instead, France is turning toward broad taxes on earned and unearned income alike to pay for healthcare.


American advocates of mandates on employers to provide health insurance should take note. The link between employment and health security is a historical artifact whose disadvantages now far outweigh its advantages. Economists estimate that between 25 and 45 percent of the US labor force is now job-locked. That is, employees make career decisions based on their need to maintain affordable health coverage or avoid exclusion based on a preexisting condition.


Perhaps it's time for us to take a closer look at French ideas about healthcare reform. They could become an import far less "foreign" and "unfriendly" than many here might initially imagine.


Paul V. Dutton is associate professor of history at Northern Arizona University and author of "Differential Diagnoses: A Comparative History of Health Care Problems and Solutions in the United States and France," which will be published in September. "


Check this out....(sm)

Watch this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4EWB0Wc4wQ


Then watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHHH3VBjSws&feature=related


And then watch this video: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29506332#29506332


 


Check this out.............. sm

Since when does the POTUS bow to a foreign potentate?  This man really has no clue............... Or does he?  Be sure to read the article as well. 






 


You might want to check again.
It might have been JTBB and me that you saw.
tnx will have to check those out.
Pretty hooked right now on 590klbj.com out of austin 5:30 a.m. to 10, one man always the voice of reason standing between the retired ex-cop and the I would swear has a gray ponytail liberal, but I notice even in the last couple of years he coming over to the dark side more and more. Ed and Sgt. Sam can flat get into it sometimes. I am actually listening to radio much more than TV, like hearing what the guy on the street has to say and you just don't get much of that on TV.
check article above
Well, we might just get an investigation into the Downing Street Memos after all and then when it is proven that Bush contrived this war and lied for this war, you can post here that yes Bush is a liar.  I refer you to the above post about the Downing Street Memos above.  Interesting article.  States finally a republican is wanting an investigation into the Downing Street Memos, as so far it has only been democrats asking for an investigation.
You may want to check your sources.

Actually this may be more accurate:


Katrina Victims Welcomed in Massachusetts


Massachusetts to take about 2,500 refugees from hurricane” – The Associated Press


“Massachusetts will take in about 2,500 Hurricane Katrina refugees in coming days, sheltering them on Cape Cod for up to two months and likely resettling some permanently in the Bay State, Gov. Mitt Romney said Sunday.


Romney said federal emergency officials told him Sunday to prepare for the evacuees, who will arrive in two to three days, and will be temporarily housed at Camp Edwards on Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod.


Otis has many amenities to accommodate the large numbers, including beds, a school, medical facilities, a gymnasium and a movie theater, he said.”


Check out this site
http://www.filmstripinternational.com/index.php?asshole
Reality check
You just cannot stay off this board can you?  Don't you get it?  We don't want to debate with you.  We are just as set in our beliefs as you are in yours.  No one here is interested in anything you have to say, so please, get a life or at least stay on your own board.
For Reality Check. sm
I think my post did sound a little hateful.  I am sure you are a very nice person.  You see, this is a country divided, and I am certain I am not the only one on this board, to feel that GWB has had a lot to do with that.  Like I said, I am sure you are a nice person.  However, this is a country divided, nothing will make me change my mind about this administration.  I fear for either party that gets in next time, if it is a democrat, they cannot hardly get ahead because of the blunders made by the current administration.  In a nutshell, I sincerely feel like this country has never been more divided, and perhaps that is why the moderators decided to split the two boards to begin with.  Post all you want, you will get no more nasty responses for me.  I however will feel at liberty to post jokes when I feel like it.  I lurk on the conservative board, but do not post.  There are many right-winged jokes and cartoons over there and I do not post my opinion - because that is their board.
Good one! Check this out
http://mkanejeeves.com/?p=213

A cell of miscreants in Frostbite Falls, Minnesota at the college Whattsamatta U., led by two shadowy figures nicknamed *Moose and Squirrel.* LOL

Anything to get those poll numbers out of the toilet...oh, right,I forgot, they don't pay attention to those.
They don't have a blank check
They are a U.S. ally and we support them. Lebanon is not an ally and a blatantly terrorist state. Of course we're going to side with Israel, but no we are not giving them a blank check thus the push of a cease fire.
You've got to check this out
if you haven't already. Go, Paul! http://-paulhipp-.cf.hufingtonpost.com/SUBIRAQIAN%30HOMESICK%20BLUES%204.htm or http://www.myspace.com/paulhipp for other great videos.
Check my posts
I am a pro-choicer and I believe I am allowed to post where ever I please, as long as I am respectful.
And while they are at it they should check out Obama's...
minister and mentor's views on Jews...and Jessie Jackson's views on Jews (hymietown) and Obama's mentor's hero (Louis Farrakhan) views on Jews...("Hitler was a great man" is one of his more memorable quotes). The fact that his middle name is Hussein is the LEAST of my concerns about Barack Obama.
Check your sources
Get your facts straight. Obama was sworn in using a bible. It was another congressman, Keith Ellison, who was sworn in using the Koran.