liberal fuzzy math....the fact remains....

it would seem to me that of the times McCain did vote, 90% of it would be with Bush -- whether he only voted 10 times in total and 9 of those times voted with Bush or whether he voted 100 times in total and 90 of those times were with Bush. 

But again, I'm no math whiz, just using my gosh darn common sense!

Bush + Cheney + Rice + Rove + Rumsfeld + GOP and their greedy corporate buddies= war mongers, liars, criminals and have the blood of every American soldier who was ever sent to Iraq on their hands and to every American family they continually bring to financial ruin because of their totally corrupt and amoral policies at home and abroad

You hit the nail on the head.  That's why I didn't bother answering -- that along with the bogus threats that seem to be prevalent lately.

they will no longer be here.  I personally don't believe they will leave.

However, since their alleged departure, the Conservative board is a much more serene, friendly place to visit.  There is actually intelligent discussion happening there now, and people's views are being respected and not attacked any more by those three.  Hopefully it will encourage more intelligent debate.  I even felt free to post there today, because in their alleged absence, I don't feel I will wind up in the middle of a war zone.

You refer to someone wishing a poster to "burn in hell."  That's a horrible thing to say to anyone, but I think a bigger question is, how much goading and attacking does it take to get someone to that point? 

The Conservative board has almost 1,900 posts on it.  Most of these aren't intelligent debate.  They're attacks by these three, wherein they attack a single poster 3 to 1, then come back to "high-five" each other after stomping the poster so far into the ground, they just give up.  More like a street gang mentality than loving, tolerant Christians.

Though there are also attacks on this board, many of them are provoked by one or more of this "gang."  If you take a close look at the Conservative and Liberal boards, the more intelligent, tolerant debate, hands down, is found on this board.

I agree with you that we should move on.  I also feel that we shouldn't feel too secure in the peace and serenity that is currently being felt, because I personally believe it will be short lived.  I believe in my heart they will be back, because they obviously are "pets" of the owner of this board, and I truly doubt that there's another forum out there that would tolerate them.  They seem to harbor too much hatred and rage and anger to be content to stay away from here for too long.  Just my personal opinion.  I have respected yours.  All I ask is that you please respect mine, as well, and then maybe we CAN move on to engage in intelligent, thoughtful, open debate, which presumably is the reason for these boards to begin with.

 The economy is growing. I don't care if it is exploding. The fact here is that more and more people are becoming more and more desperate. I think going to college is fine but what jobs are these people going to get when they get out of college. You mentioned something about trades...please, all the manufacturing jobs are gone. Small business...only a handful ever succeed. My guess is that most people wiped out of good paying jobs with benefits are supposed to go to Wal-Mart and just pretend everything is okay, and here in Florida, join the service industry. Money, the real god of our times, is what is killing a lot of people here in Florida. As an example, in my town, there are hundreds of small mobile home parks inhabited primarily by the elderly. The big money developers are coming in here, buying the parks and the people are out on the street. The owners of the park get millions of dollars and the people are usually offered a flat fee that would pay rent for about 2 years, or given 60 days to find a place to move their homes, On fixed income this, of course, cannot be done. Many of these folks lived all their lives doing the right thing, playing by all the rules. They moved to Florida, own a little bit of property and now they are expected to rent again and work again. An apartment 1 BR 1 BA that is decent would be around $1000. You do the math. Even those communities that are owned by the homeowners themselves have no say. Eminent domain comes into play and then they are really in trouble so...being elderly, forced out of your home, having Medicare screwed up beyond belief is okay because the economy is strong. I don't care about words or pie charts. I care about what I see and know to be true by looking at it with my own eyes. Just who is it benefitting from this growing economy??  Oh well, the market will straighten everything out, just wait.

Another thing is that everyone is not college material, even these days when a degree doesn't mean all that much anyway. It surely won't guarantee you a job and if you went to college after the 1970s you don't even have to be smart to get in; not that smart people are not in college, you just don't have to be anymore. You don't even have to know how to read..but that is for another day.  How many middle management degreed people have lost their jobs...quite a few. Airlines, GM, drug companies, utility companies...all these places hire degreed people. That old sheepskin won't save you anymore.

You say the poor will always be with us and I believe that as well. I do not believe that it is okay to walk over the additional bodies that greed has produced and there are legion. You call it lack of motivation on the part of the poor. I call it greed.

By the way, I see that the Iraq election is mysteriously mirroring the US election, split right down the middle.

Oh, and the drilling in Alaska. Why don't they drill in Detroit and make some cars that use some other form of fuel.  It just never ends.

Debacle...absolutely.