it's more complicated than that...they didn't just stop writing. nm
Posted By: MeMT on 2008-10-23
In Reply to: maybe they just stopped writing that calendar at that point - cesspoolmagic0_0
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STOP! The election is over or didn't you know that?
Time to stop rehashing the past. You're just trying to incite people again. I don't know who you are, but it was pretty nice on this board in the past couple days talking about REAL issues that face us TODAY.
We don't need someone coming on here and spewing hate again. Get over it!
So you didn't let her apology stop you from attacking her.
I know it's hard for you, but try to pay attention. Sheesh! 
It would be so nice if you weren't here. SM
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Posted By: Brunson on 2005-09-03,
In Reply to: They will never stop. Look at the post below where Brunson hopes that somebody is *hounded* off - Libby
Perhaps you enjoy stories with no kind of facts to them. I am sure you probably do. The fact remains, nanananana comes on here and tells us to stay off YOUR board which we have already done and here you are. Tell me again, WHO is it who will NEVER stop? You are looking like a fool. Since the high road seems to have disappeared for you, try the low road. Any road. Just go.
I didn't bash her AND STOP SHOUTING AT ME
I didn't bash her. I stated the facts. I was hoping McCain would pick someone who would help him win. He needs all the help he can get right now, but no, he goes and picks her! I would have liked to see Mit Romney or Duncan or Ron Paul or any of the other candidates that were up there and I would have voted for him had he picked one of them. Tons of people were supporting and voting for them - especially Romney and Paul, but he goes and picks a nobody with no experience. That's right none! Not a bash - fact! If we have a President in there with the age and health problems McCain does I need to be confident that the VP can step in. She cannot! That is just fact. The only reason I can see why is she is a woman. That just really stinks big time! If the republicans have any hope of remaining in the white house he has got to make some smart decisions. That was not one of them. I did not bash her. I stated the facts. If anything what I said was against McCain. I believe he picked her for only two reasons. One she is a woman and two there will not be anyone there to question his judgement on issues and tell him no, your wrong about this or that. And for pete's sake stop shouting at me! Take your frustrations elsewhere.
Obama didn't even stop campaigning to mourn
I'm with you -- it's ridiculous to think we need a moratorium on this board.
I think that it is very complicated and beyond...sm
the understanding of even economic experts. I for one do not know what the right thing to do is/was. We are at the mercy of people smarter than we are. We can do nothing now but pray and vote and pray.
too complicated of a world
In this complicated multifaceted world, nothing is black-white, good-evil..everything has to be weighed and judged..
Shoudl have included -- A complicated
op report, discharge summary, H&P, etc. Simple everyday ER notes, x-rays, etc., can be done, but not indepth reports. There is still going to be a need for MTs, whether transcribing or editing.
Tonge-in-cheek too complicated for pubs.
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why do we vote for people to make things complicated?
People who make their bills 900 pages should be rejected on the spot. There should be a page max to make sure that the people representing us fully understands what they are getting US into. JERKS!!!! thanks for showing me that!
Really, really good points, just shows how complicated it all is! provocative thoughtful post, than
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I'm Writing In Tina Fey (nm)
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Your writing style gives you away....(sm)
You are holier than thou in your attitude. You can't get away by claiming you're not the same "sm" poster, when you use the same phrasology over and over in your posts.
Go stalk someone else, because you tend to only bother the conservative posters. We do try to skip over you as much as possible, but you tend to post all over the board these days, don't you.
Where would I find this in writing? sm
Would you tell me where I would find this info, please?
***Under Obama's plan, every one making under $200,000 will get a tax refund (and yes that includes those who don't even pay taxes) of at least $500.***
The writing is on the wall!!!
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I assume you are writing all this from Iraq?
Otherwise don't call anyone a coward but yourself. If you support this war, get off your flabby butt and get over there.
When Hitler sent the German army into an unpopular war, were the Germans who wanted the war stopped and the troops brought home cowards? Did they not show support for the troops by questioning Hitler's war? They were admirable and good people to stand up in the face of the German political administrations' choices!. They LOVED their troops but did not LOVE Hitler. Some of the German troops who died in Hitler's misguided war were my husband's relatives. And no, Bush is not Hitler so don't try misquoting me on that. The point is, not all wars are noble and good, despite what your proteswarrior group might say. And just because a PERSON or administration got us into a deadly MESS doesn't mean we should remain in that quagmire and continue letting our troops be killed, whether it is the Civil War, Vietnam or Iraq. Gee, at one time even the Civil War seemed like a good idea. 650,000 lost? Was it worth it? Maybe other alternatives could have been explored?
You hawks are not going to get it. Us libs can love our troops and support them but we cannot love and support this war. We can't pretend this is a good and noble cause.
So she teaches ethics in writing. SM
And lots of my family lives on the West Coast. I didn't realize your friend, who exaggerates, is the spokesperson for the price of gasoline. Know what, Lurker, I think this is the first time I ever felt the need to post something proving your wrong. I think you are the one with the problem. Get over it.
Writing mine in because I don't care
Many say that's a "wasted vote," but I think not. It shows both candidates that there are people that don't agree with either one of them! Besides, if I don't like either one, I'm not voting for the "lesser of two evils" because either way, it's still evil in the end, right? I'd rather "waste" a vote on a write-in candidate than have any remorse later for placing a vote I can't stand behind.
Yeah I wasn't really writing that
like as maybe it's a fact. Like I said conspiracy theorist idea. Like how there are aliens and the government is hiding them from us, or how we bailed out companies so they could go on very expensive retreats and bird hunts (OOPS wait that one IS true! LOL)
Sorry I wasn't trying to say anything bad, promise!
Amen for writing this. Do not forget
I heard and read that if a president was not doing well in the current office, it was due to the president before him. It takes about 7-8 years for the mess to start showing.
I will not stop trying to stop the slaughter of the unborn in this country...
I never said you were a stupid wretch. What I said was, if you can watch that video below and not feel something, your heart must be seared over. If you can watch that video and advocate what you advocate, yes, I'm sorry, I find that cold. I am entitled to my opinion and all your ranting and name calling and belitting is not going to change that. Someone needs to speak for the child. You certainly aren't allowing it any rights, including the right to live. You are okay with that, I'm not.
While I don't think that writing a check cures al ills
I certainly hope that what they can buy is regulated like WIC and food stamps in my state. While you believe that everyone there are innocent victims I'm not so naive to believe that everyone would use this money the right way. There should be a block on tobacco and alcohol, and they shouldn't be allowed to pull cash back on these cards. Otherwise, I don't have a problem with them buying other home, clothing or food related items.
Oh, by the way did you hear that people are showing up at the relief centers that are NOT from the hurricane devasted area trying to get$2,000 debit cards? If you believe that people won't try to can the system then you don't live in the real world.
You should be writing to your democratically controlled congress...
about those issues as well. They are the ones we actually vote for personally and put there. They are the ones who should be taking care of us. Their approval rating is way lower than Bush's. And yes, I am pointing fingers at BOTH sides of the aisle.
My candidate is only Mccain because I don't see the point in writing in someone else
I'm sorry you all are too DENSE to see what will happen when Obama is president. I'm so over this. We will meet back here in a couple of years and see what all you Obama lovers are saying when half your paycheck goes to a bunch of lazy bums who won't get off their butts and get a job. You are all obviously to enthralled with his nice speeches and pretty features to look any deeper.
It doesn't matter what we say or how we say it or what evidence we bring up, you will blindly follow that man off a cliff, and sadly, you will be dragging the rest of us with you.
I don't care if he is black mexican european greek or chinese. he is not what we need for our country. Let him take his socialist view points elsewhere.
maybe they just stopped writing that calendar at that point
because it seemed like a good place to stop. I mean, they had to stop at some point, right?
Bush is busy writing his legacy.
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If I understant your previous writing correctly,
apparently you have been missing in action over the last 8 years. There have been absolutely NO checks or balances, so how would that be any different than what we already have. Obama ushering in a New World Order? You have completely misunderstood this whole conversation. These things have started almost 20 years ago. It is not NEW, it is now being expounded upon, but NOT NEW!! Bush played into this all of his 8 years in office...maybe you should look again and read some more. I am just the messenger.
So when the terrorists come, you'll just say STOP or I'll say STOP again? nm
I didn't miss any part and didn't say...
anything either way. I just posted a link.
This is the reason we are in Iraq and it's the same reason I didn't vote for him in 2000: Didn't
his own personal reasons.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050620/why_george_went_to_war.php
The Downing Street memos have brought into focus an essential question: on what basis did President George W. Bush decide to invade Iraq? The memos are a government-level confirmation of what has been long believed by so many: that the administration was hell-bent on invading Iraq and was simply looking for justification, valid or not.
Despite such mounting evidence, Bush resolutely maintains total denial. In fact, when a British reporter asked the president recently about the Downing Street documents, Bush painted himself as a reluctant warrior. "Both of us didn't want to use our military," he said, answering for himself and British Prime Minister Blair. "Nobody wants to commit military into combat. It's the last option."
Yet there's evidence that Bush not only deliberately relied on false intelligence to justify an attack, but that he would have willingly used any excuse at all to invade Iraq. And that he was obsessed with the notion well before 9/11—indeed, even before he became president in early 2001.
In interviews I conducted last fall, a well-known journalist, biographer and Bush family friend who worked for a time with Bush on a ghostwritten memoir said that an Iraq war was always on Bush's brain.
"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and Houston Chronicle journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said, 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He went on, 'If I have a chance to invade…, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.'"
Bush apparently accepted a view that Herskowitz, with his long experience of writing books with top Republicans, says was a common sentiment: that no president could be considered truly successful without one military "win" under his belt. Leading Republicans had long been enthralled by the effect of the minuscule Falklands War on British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's popularity, and ridiculed Democrats such as Jimmy Carter who were reluctant to use American force. Indeed, both Reagan and Bush's father successfully prosecuted limited invasions (Grenada, Panama and the Gulf War) without miring the United States in endless conflicts.
Herskowitz's revelations illuminate Bush's personal motivation for invading Iraq and, more importantly, his general inclination to use war to advance his domestic political ends. Furthermore, they establish that this thinking predated 9/11, predated his election to the presidency and predated his appointment of leading neoconservatives who had their own, separate, more complex geopolitical rationale for supporting an invasion.
Conversations With Bush The Candidate
Herskowitz—a longtime Houston newspaper columnist—has ghostwritten or co-authored autobiographies of a broad spectrum of famous people, including Reagan adviser Michael Deaver, Mickey Mantle, Dan Rather and Nixon cabinet secretary John B. Connally. Bush's 1999 comments to Herskowitz were made over the course of as many as 20 sessions together. Eventually, campaign staffers—expressing concern about things Bush had told the author that were included in the manuscript—pulled the project, and Bush campaign officials came to Herskowitz's house and took his original tapes and notes. Bush communications director Karen Hughes then assumed responsibility for the project, which was published in highly sanitized form as A Charge to Keep.
The revelations about Bush's attitude toward Iraq emerged during two taped sessions I held with Herskowitz. These conversations covered a variety of matters, including the journalist's continued closeness with the Bush family and fondness for Bush Senior—who clearly trusted Herskowitz enough to arrange for him to pen a subsequent authorized biography of Bush's grandfather, written and published in 2003.
I conducted those interviews last fall and published an article based on them during the final heated days of the 2004 campaign. Herskowitz's taped insights were verified to the satisfaction of editors at the Houston Chronicle, yet the story failed to gain broad mainstream coverage, primarily because news organization executives expressed concern about introducing such potent news so close to the election. Editors told me they worried about a huge backlash from the White House and charges of an "October Surprise."
Debating The Timeline For War
But today, as public doubts over the Iraq invasion grow, and with the Downing Street papers adding substance to those doubts, the Herskowitz interviews assume singular importance by providing profound insight into what motivated Bush—personally—in the days and weeks following 9/11. Those interviews introduce us to a George W. Bush, who, until 9/11, had no means for becoming "a great president"—because he had no easy path to war. Once handed the national tragedy of 9/11, Bush realized that the Afghanistan campaign and the covert war against terrorist organizations would not satisfy his ambitions for greatness. Thus, Bush shifted focus from Al Qaeda, perpetrator of the attacks on New York and Washington. Instead, he concentrated on ensuring his place in American history by going after a globally reviled and easily targeted state run by a ruthless dictator.
The Herskowitz interviews add an important dimension to our understanding of this presidency, especially in combination with further evidence that Bush's focus on Iraq was motivated by something other than credible intelligence. In their published accounts of the period between 9/11 and the March 2003 invasion, former White House Counterterrorism Coordinator Richard Clarke and journalist Bob Woodward both describe a president single-mindedly obsessed with Iraq. The first anecdote takes place the day after the World Trade Center collapsed, in the Situation Room of the White House. The witness is Richard Clarke, and the situation is captured in his book, Against All Enemies.
On September 12th, I left the Video Conferencing Center and there, wandering alone around the Situation Room, was the President. He looked like he wanted something to do. He grabbed a few of us and closed the door to the conference room. "Look," he told us, "I know you have a lot to do and all…but I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way…"
I was once again taken aback, incredulous, and it showed. "But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this."
"I know, I know, but…see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred…" …
"Look into Iraq, Saddam," the President said testily and left us. Lisa Gordon-Hagerty stared after him with her mouth hanging open.
Similarly, Bob Woodward, in a CBS News 60 Minutes interview about his book, Bush At War, captures a moment, on November 21, 2001, where the president expresses an acute sense of urgency that it is time to secretly plan the war with Iraq. Again, we know there was nothing in the way of credible intelligence to precipitate the president's actions.
Woodward: "President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically and takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.'"
Wallace (voiceover): Woodward says immediately after that, Rumsfeld told Gen. Tommy Franks to develop a war plan to invade Iraq and remove Saddam—and that Rumsfeld gave Franks a blank check.
Woodward: "Rumsfeld and Franks work out a deal essentially where Franks can spend any money he needs. And so he starts building runways and pipelines and doing all the necessary preparations in Kuwait specifically to make war possible."
Bush wanted a war so that he could build the political capital necessary to achieve his domestic agenda and become, in his mind, "a great president." Blair and the members of his cabinet, unaware of the Herskowitz conversations, placed Bush's decision to mount an invasion in or about July of 2002. But for Bush, the question that summer was not whether, it was only how and when. The most important question, why, was left for later.
Eventually, there would be a succession of answers to that question: weapons of mass destruction, links to Al Qaeda, the promotion of democracy, the domino theory of the Middle East. But none of them have been as convincing as the reason George W. Bush gave way back in the summer of 1999.
Please stop it. I know what you are doing. sm
You really are pretty transparent. gt said she did not know any socialist Jews. Please just post my reply and not her post because that makes it look especially bad on me. Very transparent. I was pointing out that of course, there are socialist Jews. The rest of your argument, if you have one, is moot, as you are making absolutely no sense whatsoever! Unless baiting people is something you enjoy, which I can see is true.
It won't stop.
He will continue to violate the Constitution because he is arrogant and has no respect for the law. And I agree that what Clinton did pales a lot in comparison to the ongoing arrogant lies and legal violations of Bush. I hope someday enough people wake up in this country and stop him before he can do any more damage to this country and to the world. :-(
She will stop at nothing
What she is trying to do is "buy" the office. What I don't get is there are so many good women who should run. I can think of at least 20 of them I'd vote for if they were running for President, but Where are all of them? Why is that thing in there. I wish she would crawl back in the hole she crawled out of. She is nothing but a power hungry pathologic liar who is a socialist (that is a plain and simple fact, she's just good at covering it up). Everyone knows what she was like as first lady - why anyone would want that thing in there again is beyond me.
I'm all for a woman president - just not THAT woman.
If the dems have any chance of winning the white house back she is not it. I'm reading tons of posts on different sites saying that if she beats Obama, no matter how much they hate McCain they will vote for him just so she won't get in. I hope the dems wake up.
Stop. sm
First of all the c story that he called his wife is a made up lie. It makes for a nice story though. His daughters are crazy about him. Why do you say such things? If you don't like him, fine, but let's stick to the facts. I don't like him either, but I have a lot of reasons that are real and not gossip.
just stop it!
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WTH!!! Stop doing that!!!
Shelley this is not me doing this. Someone is just being stupid. I'm sick and tired of other people trying to post like it is me and it isn't.
FYI.....Chele is just pronounced like shell. No Shelly.
will it ever stop?
first the bailout, now Calfornia wants a personal bailout......how much more money will have to be dished out. I truly wish that the culprits who pocketed money and ran wall street into the ground would be investigated and held accountable. We all would still have to pay for their greed but it might make me feel a bit better if they actually had a consequence to all this instead of walking away with a buttload of money while we foot the bill.
oh stop it - NM
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Let's Stop.
The election is over. The results are in. Whether you are pleased or displeased with the results, it is time to show some class. Gloating is not attractive or very mature either nor is continuing to bemoan all of the dire predictions. I Both Senators Obama and McCain have said it is time for Americans to come together, to work together. How about starting here and now. McCain offered a very gracious speech. Can't we follow that fine example no matter what our personal feelings might be? Let us all behave with some class. We need to deal with the government we have and put our efforts into making it work as best possible instead of childish gloating or incessant complaining. Let's put our considerable energy and knowledge to a constructive purpose and just stop behaving so badly!
Where does it stop?....sm
I've refrained from posting about any of these so called bailouts, ever since they passed the 700 billion one, that all of a sudden, is not wrong and not going to be used for what they were going to use it for.
In the beginning, I was one of those who thought the sky would fall, if they didn't do the bailout on the financial institutions. But then they took the three page bill, and turned it into a bad dream, which got squelched...then it became a nightmare, and became larger...and was passed....and now...now.....
In between some of the auto companies got a bailout....now they want more.....now cities/states, and everyone wants a piece of this action...
arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Let the gosh durn big three fold....let em go under and file for bankruptcy. This isn't about the three auto companies and a bailout for them.
It's a bailout for the union. And along the way, they will make all the other auto makers turn union....
And what scares me the most? The government now owns our financial institutes. If they do the auto bailout, they will own the auto industry.
Where will it end.................
Big and bigger government seems here to stay.............
You really need to think for yourself and stop
getting your words from your TV. Now, Scooter Libby, I really don't care for the man but our troubles with the middle east and everything else that we find ourselves in came about long before Bush. You need to go back several decades, while we constantly implant ourselves in middle eastern affairs and provide them with weapons to fight one against another, just to have them turned around and use those very weapons on us.
If you feel Bush is the reason for all our woes, then when we are attacked again, then we should blame Obama for that, right? After all, he's about the biggest Muslim butt kisser I've seen in a loooong time!
Just Stop!
Do you guys just run around the internet looking for stuff to copy/paste on here? What is your point? We all read articles and watch the news and have our sides. Do you guys think you are going to change the world by pasting stuff on MTStars? Total losers! Go out and do something real if you want to change the world. This isn't helping anyone.
Just Stop!
DITTO!!! It's not bad enough it is all over the TV, we have to see it here too. Plus, shouldn't that be on the political board?
Did you ever stop to consider
the many lives that were saved by taking out these people? Or would you rather many more Americans be subjected to events like 9/11? How many people did we lose in one day on 9/11? Yet so many people want to cry and whine over how we should be nice to terrorists and treat them fairly. They would sooner cut our heads off than be civil but OMG...don't torture them to get information that might save American's lives. How horrible would that be? I have no problem with covert operations taking out dangerous people. In fact, it makes me feel safer knowing that these terrorists aren't going to hurt anyone anymore.
Our government under Obama is getting bigger and bigger and government is controlling more and more things and you are worried about Cheney giving orders to take out terrorists? I tell ya what....I felt a heck of a lot safer back then than I do now. The idea of government controlling what I do....is scary as heck and yet all you guys can focus on is how Bush and Cheney kept us safe after 9/11 but you turn it around to be a bad thing. You people are friggin amazing, you know that? What a load of crap.
Please stop...
with the "two people who love each other" baloney already. We're talking about 2 men who sodomize each other and 2 women who commit abnormal sexual acts together because they can't stand men. You don't have children or you wouldn't feel that way.
Will you PLEASE stop
Get a hobby - preferably one that gets you out of the house.
Did you ever stop to think...(sm)
that maybe the neighbors got tired of dodging the cars that were reportedly spilling out into the cul-de-sac where they lived? I think the inconvenience this places on the neighbors should be viewed no differently than the inconvenience of having a teenage party next door EVERY week.
Why should the law stop
recognizing "marriages" just because gay people declare this to be fair to them? I just think it is sad that something that has always been recognized legally should be undone just for a small group of people. If you want civil unions with benefits...fine. More power to you, but why can't you just leave us alone and let our marriages be like they have been for years? Why must we change to accomodate few people? Why must we always compromise and bend things to accomodate this increasingly secular world?
You can have abortions but you can't refuse to perform them. You can't pray in school or say anything about God in school so we don't offend the non-believers but by all means allow homosexuality be taught to young children as an acceptable thing even though not everyone feels that way......and as evident by the vote in CA...the majority doesn't agree with it!!! Now you want marriages to not be recognized legally because that isn't fair to gay people and for us to have marriages, we must first have a civil union and then get married by our pastor because it would make the gay community feel better. Do you not see a pattern here?
If you would stop your blathering for one second SM
you might actually see what someone is trying to say. Which they did say up above and now you look like a fool.
stop with the bigotry
I never hate or love because of a persons income..It is what they give back to society and the earth that matters..Frankly, I have heard the republicans hate and fear the poor and lock themselves away in gated communities so they dont have to deal with reality..So which bigoted opinion is true..NEITHER..OMG..Stop with the generalizations, the hate filled bigoted attacks..We democrats/liberals do not hate any one type of person..frankly, from what I have seen, experienced and learned over my 30+ years of democratic activisim, we dont hate anyone..we just want peace and prosperity for America and a fair chance for all, whether you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or not..
Will you please stop posting this over and over again?
Can you not think of anything ORIGINAL to say (something meaningful obviously a bit too much to ask). This is a discussion board after all - what's the problem with replying to the CONTENT of a post once in a while instead of simply attacking those who dare to express a thought?
And before you get your hackles up over what a hypocrite *I* am (usually #2 on the Hannity rules for lackeys wishing to defuse meaningful discussion in favor of creating irresponsible chaos - are you there yet?) let me remind you, there wasn't any content IN your post to reply TO. So would you please cut that out?
then stop replying
I won't agree with you, so I guess that is why this conversation is going nowhere. Yes, these rabbis (and good old Ben Stein) can chose to be anti-abortion (easy for them, they will never be pregnant), but I certainly believe there are MANY MORE rabbis and Jews that will maintain their pro-choice stance regardless of this little meeting (which we did not even here about in our 5000 member congregation).
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