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muslims are to terrorism and suicide bombings what christians are to child-molestation and clinic bombers
Christianity......
You're right. Our nation was founded on the principals of Christianity and I am SICK AND TIRED of it being pushed off as just a bunch of "religious zealots". That would be the Muslims. And I don't care what anyone else says about it, that is just what they want, to have countries make laws that prohibit the name of Jesus to even be spoken, while they continue to spew hatred and tell us how THEIR God teaches to hate everyone else but themselves.
Christians need to stand up for themselves and do it without caring what others think. Being meek does not mean you let others that mean you harm walk all over our country, our laws, our God. Every time I turn around there's some garbage about a Muslim wanting to have a special foot bath in their school or some such junk and I am sick of it!!!!! This is for the most part a Christian country (minus those that have no belief) and people need to stop hiding in the corners as if they are afraid to speak the name of Jesus Christ, afraid of what others may think.
Christianity
I'm not so sure people know what Christianity really is. People had made interpretations of what he said, but I know myself from conversation that people misinterpret what others mean all the time.
There are theologians who are now thinking that he did not mean He is the way to Heaven (the whole believing he died for our sins thing) but more his way of thinking (as he was actually trying to teach people). That makes a lot more sense than the original interpretation.
And he spouts like this in the name of christianity...sm
which I think he is misrepresenting and twisting. One can only hope that his dwindling croud picks up their Bible and reads it for themselves. Last thing I heard he was loosing ratings and support big time anywho. I always make sure my TVs are not on the station his show comes on. I wouldn't want him to slip up and get not one rating point from me.
Spewing hate in the name of religion. That does sound eeriely similar to a terrorist jihadist.
Christianity and government.
The United States of America is comprised of people with many different religious beliefs. Each and every one of us is entitled to a government that is not biased towards any particular religion. We are all equal in this Country whether we are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, atheists, agnostics, Wiccans, etc. I am not a Christian and do not want Christian beliefs forced on me or any other citizen of the United States of America. That is why there are churches, and that is where it should stay.
Christianity is not a cult?
Seriously? You might want to check a dictionary.
Christianity did not exist............. sm
in the name of Christianity until Jesus left this earth. (Acts 11:26). Homosexuality was defined as wrong long before that.
Obama supports abortion. True Christians who believe that the ENTIRE Bible is the infallible Word of God believe that God gave life and we do not have the right to take it away.
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:13-16).
"This is what the LORD says—he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you..."(Isaiah 44:2).
There are a bunch more but those are a few.
Next, Obama supports gay marriage. The Bible tells us that 1) Homosexuality is a sin and 2) Marriage is for one man and one woman.
As I said before, homosexuality is no greater or less a sin than telling a white lie or murder. It is also a forgivable sin. If God thought homosexuality was okay, he would had given us the "parts" to reproduce with other women, or men with other men.
These are the two main issues that we disagree with. Obama is not a true Christian if he can say this is okay.
Now of course if you don't know Jesus as your Savior or you don't believe in the Bible then you're just going to say we are crazy, mean, hateful, etc.
Faith is a gift from God, and without it you simply can't begin to comprehend Him or His Word. He gives faith to those who EARNESTLY seek him.
Just for anyone who was truly interested in knowing why the majority of us are voting Republican. I can pretty much guarantee you if a democratic nominee had these same views we would vote for them, or if an independent had a chance to win and had these views we would vote for them. We don't just blindly affiliate with one party.
Ku Klux Klan and Christianity
The History Channel just aired a program regarding the relationship between the Ku Klux Klan and Christianity. The Ku Klux Klan website has the following statement at the top of the page.
Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America!
I do not get you! Obama converted to Christianity, what more
do you want? He confessed to Christianity!!
Or do you think that this is all a conspiracy and he will suddenly emerge as Ahmedinejad, the second. II ?
Obama converted 1992 to Christianity, 2009 he became President, 17 years later!
This isd proof that he did not convert to Christianity to become President, he did it much earlier.
It was just his destiny to become President, already at the age of 8 years, in Jakarta, when he was asked what he wanted to become, Obama said: 'I want to become a President.'
this country was founded on Christianity sm
go back and read your original history books, not the ones they are trying to sanitize and make politically correct. Regardless of the popular belief, this is a Christian nation. Yes we have other religions here but the nation itself was founded on Christianity and the words of the one true God. We are NOT a secular country and I don't care what Obama and the left say, we are a Christian nation.........at least until Obama has anything to do with it and he turns it into a Muslim nation. You may be disappointed then.
I was thinking too, that the right wing version of Christianity...sm
does not necessary practice much *tolerance* much less acceptance or embracing of other religions and/or cultures itself. They should expect to get as good as they give.
Common decency is not exclusive to Christianity. (NM)
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So by posting this, you assume that all liberals feel this way about Christianity?
I certainly know that is not true. No one has a right to judge any human being's Christianity but God. Yes, I know your headline said *liberals only* but, of course, that is an invitation to look, isn't it? I doubt seriously that this writer knows how *the majority* of Christians feel on anything, including the death penalty. He also shows a very marked lack of understanding and knowledge of what is in the Bible. Though I am not an Ann Coulter fan, I have never known her to lean heavily on her Christianity when speaking. The last time I looked, there is no picture next to Christianity in the encyclopedia.
And yet when Christianity is mentioned, many on the left promptly point to the right.
Why is that?
The Founding Fathers were not Christians and the country was not founded on Christianity
I hate to disagree with you sam because I usually find you right on the spot about a lot, but this time I do disagree...
One of the most common statements is that the country was “founded on Christian principles by Christian men”. However, research into American history shows this statement is false. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.
None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, and altered his wording regarding equal rights increasing its religious overtones.
The Founding Fathers would turn in their graves if the Christian Extremists had their way with this country. The Founders clearly did not heed what was written in the bible. If they were in fact "good" Christians, there would never have been an American Revolution. Here are some statements and quotes.
John Adams – “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
George Washington – The father of this country was very private about his beliefs, but it is widely considered that he was a Deist like his colleagues. He was a Freemason.
George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian. He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary. Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative.
Benjamin Franklin - ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
Thomas Paine – Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all.
Other founders who were deists...Ethan Allen, James Madison & James Monroe.
Also, when the Constitution was written they wanted to ensure that no single religion make the claim of being the official national religion like England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion exception in exclusionary terms. However, the words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God are never mentioned – not even once. The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the US was “in no sense founded on the Christian religion”. Jewish family flees Delaware school district's aggressive Christianity
This is terrible. :-(
Jewish family flees Delaware school district's aggressive Christianity
by JewsOnFirst.org, June 28, 2006
Note: On July 11th, we posted two follow-up reports, which you can find here. And on August 23rd, we posted another update here.
Links to articles and documents cited in our report appear immediately below it
A large Delaware school district promoted Christianity so aggressively that a Jewish family felt it necessary to move to Wilmington, two hours away, because they feared retaliation for filing a lawsuit. The religion (if any) of a second family in the lawsuit is not known, because they're suing as Jane and John Doe; they also fear retaliation. Both families are asking relief from state-sponsored religion.
The behavior of the Indian River School District board suggests the families' fears are hardly groundless.
The district spreads over a considerable portion of southern Delaware. The families' complaint, filed in federal court in February 2005, alleges that the district had created an environment of religious exclusion and unconstitutional state-sponsored religion.
Among numerous specific examples in the complaint was what happened at plaintiff Samantha Dobrich's graduation in 2004 from the district's high school. She was the only Jewish student in her graduating class. The complaint relates that local pastor, Jerry Fike, in his invocation, followed requests for our heavenly Father's guidance for the graduates with:
I also pray for one specific student, that You be with her and guide her in the path that You have for her. And we ask all these things in Jesus' name.
In addition to the ruined graduation experience, the Dobrich-Doe lawsuit alleges that:
The district's custom and practice of school-sponsored prayer was frequently imposed on impressionable non-Christian students, which violated their constitutional rights.
The district ignored the Supreme Court's 1992 Lee decision limiting prayer at graduation ceremonies -- even after a district employee complained about the prayer at her child's 2003 graduation..
District teachers and staff led Bible clubs at several schools. Club members got to go to the head of the lunch line.
While Bible clubs were widely available, student book clubs were rare and often canceled by the district.
When Jane Doe complained that her non-Christian son Jordan Doe was left alone when his classmates when to Bible club meetings, district staff insisted that Jordan should attend the club, regardless of his religion.
The district schools attended by Jordan and his sister Jamie Doe distributed Bibles to students in 2003, giving them time off from class to pick up the books.
Prayer --often sectarian -- is a routine part of district sports programs and social events
One of the district's middle schools gave students the choice of attending a special Bible Club if they did not want to attend a lesson on evolution.
A middle school teacher told students there was only one true religion and gave them pamphlets for his surfing ministry.
Samantha Dobrich's honors English teacher frequently discussed Christianity, but no other religion.
Students frequently made mandatory appearances at district board meetings -- where they were a captive audience for board members' prayers to Jesus.
The Dobriches said the prayers to Jesus' ruined the graduation experience for Samantha. Mona Dobrich, Samantha's mother, repeatedly called district officials to complain. A board member told her she would have to get the matter put on a meeting agenda -- then refused to put it on the agenda. The school superintendent slipped the topic onto the agenda and then told Mona Dobrich she would need to raise it during the public comment period.
School board unyielding The board opened the June 15, 2004 meeting at which Dobrich was prepared to speak with a prayer in Jesus' name. The board was not forthcoming to her request that official prayers be in God's name rather than in Jesus' name. The high school athletic director veered from his agenda topic to encourage the board to keep praying in Jesus' name.
Board member Donald Hattier followed Dobrich out and offered to compromise by keeping graduation free of prayers to Jesus. And, according to the complaint, he warned her not to hire a lawyer.
A large crowd turned out for the next board meeting and many people spoke in support of school prayer. Mona Dobrich spoke passionately of her own outsider experience as a student in Indian River District schools and of how hard she'd worked to make sure her children didn't also feel like outsiders.
Hattier again approached her after the meeting. This time, the complaint alleges, he told her he'd spoken with the Rutherford Institute, a religious right legal group.
Talk show calls out a mob The district board announced the formation of a committee to develop a religion policy. And the local talk radio station inflamed the issue.
On the evening in August 2004 when the board was to announce its new policy, hundreds of people turned out for the meetng. The Dobrich family and Jane Doe felt intimidated and asked a state trooper to escort them.
The complaint recounts that the raucous crowd applauded the board's opening prayer and then, when sixth-grader Alexander Dobrich stood up to read a statement, yelled at him: take your yarmulke off! His statement, read by Samantha, confided I feel bad when kids in my class call me Jew boy.
A state representative spoke in support of prayer and warned board members that the people would replace them if they faltered on the issue. Other representatives spoke against separating god and state.
A former board member suggested that Mona Dobrich might disappear like Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the atheist whose Supreme Court case resulted in ending organized school prayer. O'Hair disappeared in 1995 and her dismembered body was found six years later.
The crowd booed an ACLU speaker and told her to go back up north.
In the days after the meeting the community poured venom on the Dobriches. Callers to the local radio station said the family they should convert or leave the area. Someone called them and said the Ku Klux Klan was nearby.
Killing Christ Classmates accused Alex Dobrich of killing Christ and he became fearful about wearing his yarmulke, the complaint recounts. He took it off whenever he saw a police officer, fearing that the officer might see it and pull over his mother's car. When the family went grocery shopping, the complaint says, Alexander would remove the pin holding his yarmulke on his head for fear that someone would grab it and rip out some of his hair.
The Dobriches refinanced their home so that Mona and Alexander could move to Wilmington, away from a situation that had become untenable, according to the complaint; Marco stayed behind because of his job, .
Ultimately, it continues, the expense of two households forced the Dobriches to sell their home. And Samantha was forced to withdraw from the joint program she attended at Columbia University and the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. She is being treated for depression.
The lawsuit states that the Doe family wants to remain anonymous in order to avoid the retaliation experienced by the Dobrich family. Jordan and Jane Doe are also suffering from depression related to their opposition with the Indian River School District's religion policy.
Elusive religion policy Even after Mona and Alexander Dobrich moved to Wilmington, the family and its lawyers continued to request the district's policy on religion in the schools and to ask for meetings with the board. Their requests were stonewalled, so in February 2005 they filed suit.
In a statement issued through her attorneys and quoted by the Delaware Wave, Mona Dobrichexplained why the families were suing: We are not trying to remove God from the schools or the public square. We simply don't think it is right for the district to impose a particular religious view on impressionable students.
The families seek to recover damages and to compel changes in the school district's policy.
That policy, however, remains elusive.
At the request of a board member soon after the infamous graduation, the Rutherford Institute, prepared a prayer policy for the school board, according to the complaint. In October 2004 the board reportedly adopted a new policy on religion in response to the Dobrich's complaint.
It is unclear if that policy is the one prepared by the Rutherford Institute -- because no one has seen it. The Dobrich's complaint states that the policy was unavailable and when the families requested it the district told them to file a freedom of information request.
This June, the board had a reading of a proposed change in the unseen policy. They said the policy and its changes would be posted on their website, (www.irsd.net) but on June 27th, it was nowhere to be found among several dozen policy documents.
The Rutherford Institute enters the fray At the boisterous August 2004 district board meeting, the head of the Rutherford Institute, John Whitehead, urged the board to set an example for other schools, according to the Daily Times, a local paper.
A Rutherford affiliated lawyer, Thomas Neuberger, came into the case representing one of the school board members. Before he left the case last August (because the judge dismissed the individual board members from the case), Neuberger was reportedly feuding with other lawyers.
While he was in the case, his client, Reginald L. Helms reportedly admitted one of the lawsuit's allegations: that school officials invited Pastor Fike to the 2004 graduation. That undermined the district's claim that students chose the speakers.
Neuberger was quoted by the Delaware Wave newspaper denying that the Dobrich's son Alex was taunted as a Jew by classmates. I seriously doubt that it ever occurred, he told the paper, contending that the plaintiffs were using the allegation used to defame the good citizens who serve on this school board.
In its response to the lawsuit, the district reportedly called some of the families' claims immaterial, impertinent and scandalous, and intended only to cast the district in a negative light.
Settlement rejected In February 2006, the board unanimously rejected a settlement offer that would have required renaming Christmas and Easter breaks to winter and spring, respectively, and to put a Dobrich child at the top of a waiting list for an arts school. It would have permitted board members to continue praying at their meetings. (US District Judge Joseph J. Farnan, Jr., who is hearing the case, ruled last year that the prayer was a historic tradition and could continue.)
In April the board's insurance company, which had been representing the district in the lawsuit, filed suit against it (and the individual board members) because they had, against its advice, rejected the settlement offer. The board then fired the attorneys that had been representing them and hired a new set. The insurance company is reportedly refusing to pay for the board's legal defense from the date the members rejected the settlement offer.
According to the Coastal Point, the insurance company's complaint is sealed, as is the district's response. The district's taxpayers, who will pay the bill if the insurer prevails, cannot know the details of the case.
Attorney Thomas Allingham, who represents the Dobrich family in their case against the school district, says the board's behavior suggests it was not negotiating in good faith. Allingham told JewsOnFirst that several board members attended the settlement negotiations, which were under the auspices of a federal mediator. He said the members approved the settlement during those negotiations. But, when the board voted on the offer, they rejected it unanimously.
Allingham said the plaintiffs remained open to the possibility that the case could be settled. But the case is set for trial in June 2007 in Wilmington.
Board prayer allowed with settlement
By Jonathan Starkey, Coastal Point (Sussex County, Delaware), June 16, 2006
A settlement offered by the plaintiffs in the Dobrich/Doe prayer suit and denied unanimously by the Indian River School board on Feb. 27 would have allowed board members to continue opening monthly meetings with a prayer, a board member and two other sources close to the case told the Coastal Point. Click here for the report (a PDF file).
School board to discuss religion policy
By Jonathan Starkey, Coastal Point (Sussex County, Delaware), June 23, 2006
The policies regarding prayer at graduations and religion in school that were adopted by the Indian River School Board on Oct. 19, 2004, after they heard complaints from a Jewish family, might be amended next week.
The board held a first reading on the amended ordinances Tuesday but deferred a vote until after an executive session on Tuesday, June 27. Board members and district Superintendent Lois Hobbs wouldn’t comment on the specifics of the proposed amendments. Click here for the report (a PDF file).
School prayer lawsuit filed against district
By Sean O'Sullivan, Gannett News Service, Delaware Wave, March 2, 2005
Two sets of parents filed a federal lawsuit in Wilmington on Monday that seeks to bar the Indian River School District from promoting religion at school functions.
The parents, who also are seeking damages, claim in the lawsuit that their rights to free speech and to be free from state-sponsored religion have been violated.
We didn't want a lawsuit, but at this point we feel like we don't have any other choice, said Mona Dobrich, one of the parents, in a statement provided by attorney Thomas J. Allingham. We are not trying to remove God from the schools or the public square. We simply don't think it is right for the district to impose a particular religious view on impressionable students. Continue
School district disputes lawsuit
By Sean O'Sullivan, Gannett News Service, Delaware Wave, May 4, 2005
WILMINGTON -- Indian River school officials have filed papers in federal court denying virtually every claim in a Jewish family's lawsuit over school-sponsored Christian prayer.
John Balaguer, attorney for the school district, also asked a U.S. District judge to strike large sections of the complaint as immaterial, impertinent and scandalous.
Balaguer said the items were included solely to cast the district in a negative light. Continue
ACLU Sues to Stop School Board Prayer: Dobrich v. Walls
Rutherford Institute website entry on the Dobrich case.
JOF note: the ACLU is not involved in the case!
Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute have asked the U.S. District Court for the District of Delaware to dismiss a lawsuit recently filed by the ACLU against Reginald Helms in his official capacity as a member of the Indian River School District Board of Education. The lawsuit, which was filed by the ACLU in February 2005 against school board members in their personal and professional capacities, alleges that school- sponsored prayer “has pervaded the life of teachers and students” in the Indian River District schools. In their motion to have the case dismissed, Institute attorneys argue that as a school board member, Helms should have immunity from liability claims under the established doctrine of absolute legislative immunity.
An official with the Indian River School District Board of Education contacted The Rutherford Institute for help in August 2004, after the Wilmington, Del., branch of the ACLU demanded that IRSD board members stop opening their monthly business meetings with a prayer. Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute agreed to represent Reginald Helms, vice president of the IRSD Board of Education, in his individual capacity should the Delaware school district’s practice of opening meetings with a brief prayer be challenged. Despite pressure from the Wilmington chapter of the ACLU to cease issuing prayers at public events, officials with the IRSD opened a school board meeting on Aug. 24, 2004, with a brief invocation. Several hundred members of the community gathered at Frankford Elementary School for the monthly business meeting broke into applause after Board President Harvey Walls asked board member Dr. Donald G. Hattier to lead the board in a word of prayer. Hattier read a prayer given by George Washington during the Revolutionary War. During the business meeting, the board also issued a first reading of a policy concerning school prayer at baccalaureate and commencement ceremonies, which states that student-initiated, student-delivered, voluntary messages may be permitted during graduation ceremonies. Thomas Neuberger, a Rutherford affiliate attorney with the Neuberger Firm, which is based in Wilmington, Del., is defending school board member Reginald Helms against the ACLU’s lawsuit. (link)
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Don't know of anyone who thinks this country is the great Satan. Not at all. The folks I talk to feel this country has its foibles, failings and quirks just like most other nations. We are not perfect and never will be. But we shouldn't give up simply because we're not perfect. Turning a blind eye to this country's problems will solve nothing, though, only perpetuate its problems and make us weaker in the end.
You may see some of us as spouting hatred for this country when in reality it is love, albeit sometimes a tough love. If you care about your child you want them to improve and become the best they can. Same with the U.S.
Otherwise, all these Satan =U.S. folks....can you provide compelling statistical evidence for this statement?
Here are your civil rights being stripped to the core. Excuse me, but I believe that is what our police force is for. Only this is disguised as taking care of the citizens at home. We do not need a miliary brigade "specifically" detailed to take care of "our" citizens. You need to read very carefully what is being said here, folks, and it AIN'T for your own good, even though there will be those who think this is wonderful news!!!
Please pay close attention to the "crowd and traffic control equipment" they will be using on you, which they are sooooo excited about! These will be your relatives being deployed within our borders not to protect us against intruders but to do just what you see in other countries, when you see their military all over their streets, monitoring their citizens' every move.... and, of course, there is the brainwashing where some of these military indivdiuals believe they are doing an "honorable" thing and "noble mission".....Mission? You want a mission?..... find another job besides the one where you are "monitoring" and stripping your citizens of their civil rights.
Consequence Management Response Force.....I believe is what they call it now..... consequences of what? Protests, which is our right, speaking up and out against our government, which is our civil rights......just watch what will be happening if you don't start screaming loudly and long.
I always wonder what is going on behind the scenes with our government when something "big" starts going on that distracts our attention away from something else. Well, like they didn't know the Wall Street crowd and all the financial institutions weren't corrupt and crooked as sin.....right!!! Now seems like a good time to distract you and SUDDENLY it all comes out. Better keep your eye on your government folks. There's the real problem!!!!!
'Huff is a great site ... for folks who don't want to think for themselves, and would rather have hate mongers give them snarky falsehoods to repost ad nauseum on web sites in a sad attempt to keep people from scrutinizing their vunderkid candidate.'
You can thank me later. :)
Well there you have it folks
I'm not the only one who can say what "change" we want to see. Good post.
Folks......... sm
Somebody is jerking your chain. "Judy" is just doing this to get something riled up on the board..... Like we need any help in that department! HAHAHAHA
Most folks will say that.......... sm
we should get behind Obama and watch his every step because they are probably not taking the time to look at ALL sides of information available. Trust is earned, GP, and Obama has not earned my trust because of his refusal to present the one thing that would clear up this issue. If he is to be trusted, then why doesn't he just produce it? Why must he be hounded and brought before the SC to prove his citizenship which any number of Americans would have no trouble producing? When he earns my trust, then I will be willing to give him a chance, but I'm not tossing my trust to someone who is apparently hiding something and someone who has so many other issues that I can't trust. That would be like saying "Let's let Charles Manson out. He's been in here for years and hasn't done anything wrong. Let's give him a chance."
Many folks would be better off if they had
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For us old folks....(sm)
This is not meant as anything bad. I just thought it was funny. After looking at Bush for 8 years, it finally dawned on me last night who he looks like. How about Dickie Smothers from the Smothers Brothers.....ROFL...
Well, here ya go folks!
Here's your global economy...........want to move to India?
I think all most folks see is..........sm
they might get free or low-cost healthcare. Sure, it might cost them less out of the pocket, but what will it cost them in terms of their health, which has no price tag?
That ain't all folks!
He also said NO LOBBYISTS but you see he has 12, count them, TWELVE, of them in his administration..........!!!!
We're finally seeing some O lovers around here not so quick to sing his praises now days! They're finally waking up to the truth about this guy! Suddenly, trillions of dollars in debt doesn't seem like such a great idea to them!
Yes, I voted against McCain/Palin which effectively means I voted for Obama. Okay, I'm not sorry about that, still would not like to have seen McCain/Palin in the White House. Don't think they'd be looking out for the interest of America either.
Am I happy with Obama? No. First he's run us into debt so that the only light at the end of the tunnel, as I see it, is a freight train, and a BIG one at that, coming. The stimulus may have stimulated the economy in the moment, Arkansas is planning a hiring spree with that extra "free" cash which obviously will create jobs but they say that when that free money is gone, the jobs will also be gone. So we will be left no better off than we were before, just deeper in debt. Oh yeah, as retirees, my husband and I got that $250 stimulus check. News flash....we didn't run out and spend it nor did we use it to pay debts as we have none. It's sitting right in the bank where it will remain as we are hoarding money for worse times to come. Those I have talked to who are working and get the supposed reduction in taxes say it isn't enough that they've even noticed any extra money.
This morning I read that he is all primed and cocked to sign the long awaited smoking reform. Do people not realize that this is just one more of our personal freedoms that is being taken away? So some of you are glad but what about when the next freedom that affects YOU is taken away? Maybe it's guns or whatever is dear to your heart. The push is on to legalize marijuana. Sorry but my experience with marijuana is that it is not harmless. But maybe it'll make all of us who smoke feel better about the direction our country is headed, something tobacco really doesn't provide.
What we need is NOT a Democrat and NOT a Republican. What we need is someone in the White House (and other branches of the government) with some common sense and who are not puppets for special interests. And I don't care how much Obama says "no more business as usual in Washington," from where I sit it most certainly is business as usual. God save us all!!
On to the economy for a sec. Republicans have been boasting on how good the economy is doing, but guess which group is reaping the benefits. You guessed it - the rich. So sorry if the working man, you know those of us who punch the clock, are not feeling so thankful for the Dow and Nasdaq earnings. What's funny is that the *beltway boys* as AG calls them can not seem to figure out why 50% of Americans tend to feel the economy is not so hot.
Are you ridiculing folks who...
use "folksy" sayings?
I know one thing for sure...if I was fighting for my life I would want one of those "folksy" folks at my back.
Can you imagine all these folks
worrying about the pubs wasting 150,000 of their little handful of funds? You got Obama there who has spent more $$ than anyone in political history, and isn't near through yet. Now, how many hungry children could he have fed? Remember, this is another one of his lies where he first agreed to accept public funding, however.
Not at all. Different strokes for different folks.
Deal with it.
Here's something for you scared folks. s/m
Here in NW Arkansas I've had the inside scoop for some time on a situation that ought to scare the living dickens out of everyone who works for a living.
I have known for some time that Don Tyson was going to come out of retirement and take over the reins of Tyson Food again. The news story broke yesterday. By the way, Don Tyson is a rabid Republican. None of the following is heresay, I know the guy.
Most of you probably find Tyson products in your local grocery. If you eat at McDonalds you eat Tyson chicken tenders.
In the farming area where I live probably 75% of the people have either worked in some facet of the chicken industry or they have retired with a fortune they made in the chicken industry. Most people contracted with Tyson to raise their chickens. Low income workers worked in the hatcheries and chicken processing plants. Not to mention the people who had good jobs in the corporate offices. Within the last several years Tyson replaced their low income workers with illegal aliens. They started building their own chicken farms and imported Mongs from (Minnesota or somewhere) to run them at much less cost than their contract growers but they are so big they didn't replace all of their growers.
What some of you call the "low lifes" worked in this chicken business, a dirty, nasty job. Some of them did this because there is nothing else they can do. They are uneducated, some are not too bright but they WORK. I know one who can't even read and write. Most of them now drive 25-30 miles to Fayetteville to work in fast food, as janitors or whatever low-paying job they can find and you see their old jalopies by the side of the road where they've either broken down or run out of gas. These "low life people" don't want handouts, they want to work. I feel sorry for them.
Now the news flash? Tyson has bought chicken processing plants in Argentina, Brazil and China because "the cost of feed is making it cost prohibitive to do business here." This is going to not only take jobs out of this country, it is going to leave many farmers who are still growing chickens (and pork) not only unemployed but with thousands of dollars in debt because of the investments they have made in chicken farming. 20 years ago it cost $100,000 for a farmer to build a commercial chicken house. I shudder to think what it costs today. The plan is to raise chickens abroad and process them and bring them home to America.
So all of you who work for a living whether you work in the chicken industry or another, had better be scared. John McCain from his own mouth proclaimed himself to be the biggest free trader ever. Free trade hasn't worked too well for Americans has it?
The inside scoop is buy Tyson stock now. Not me. I will NOT profit by costing American people their jobs.
I've changed my plean from "God Bless America" to "God Have Mercy on America."
How does this relate to the election? For one thing I don't think we need another "biggest free trader ever" in the White House.
I agree. Too bad more folks don't
Some of them apparently don't think much at all.
Umm, folks? They will advertise either way.
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Just how long will it take you folks to get over
the fact that the people have spoken, the mandate is in place, the swearing in is around the corner and YOU LOST the race? Apparently, the majority of Americans did not see it that way. Just, the facts, ma'am.
Just like all those innocent folks were
due process. . .preach some of your idiocracy to their survivors.
Different stroke for different folks.
try to pretend this issue is only about porn in the library. We are talking about government censorship here. You want it, move to Iran and get a good look at what it really means to have the government in charge of what you can and cannot access. Yes, Chele, deal with the fact that you and your son live in a democracy where freedom of speech TRUMPS sanitized communication outlets and parental reponsibility intervenes to mitigate the chasm between the two.
What exactly does this have to do with "white folks"?
If someone posted something similar with the words "black folks" or any other race other than white, that person would be attacked as a racist, but you find it acceptable to say this?
Agreed - all this is from the same folks...
who weren't afraid to refer to Bush as Hitler.
I think, though, it has more to do with him being a dem than being black, JMHO.
Now, you come on, folks. What is funny about
spitting on the face of the president of the US, even if it is only a picture?
It doesn't matter which president. After all the majority if the voters voted for that president.
Not funny to me and I understand it quite well. I have a funny bone, but not for this kind of humor. No need to get nasty and question my smartness.
'People like you' are insecure little folks who
have so little in the way of brains or initiative that you have to have a crutch to fall on (religion) and a leader (fundamentalist or radical) to tell you what to do because you can't think for yourselves. Many of the most hideous, evil deeds in history have been done by 'people like you', under the guise of 'goodness'. And ya'll seem to get REAL agitated whenever anyone sees the truth through all Christianity's smoke & mirrors. What a farce.
There seems to be a lot more roasting of folks by your side....
why is it if someone disagrees with you they are not caring, not kind, not loving, and judgmental? Isn't that kind of a judgmental sentence?
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Here are your civil rights being stripped to the core. Excuse me, but I believe that is what our police force is for. Only this is disguised as taking care of the citizens at home. We do not need a miliary brigade "specifically" detailed to take care of "our" citizens. You need to read very carefully what is being said here, folks, and it AIN'T for your own good, even though there will be those who think this is wonderful news!!!
