group of cells.......
Posted By: sm on 2008-09-16
In Reply to: Until I developed a sufficient number of cells to even - resemble a person, yes,
Gee, yea, we were a group of cells. That is how God planned it to be, so just because you were a group of cells, you would have hoped your mother would dispose of you JUST because you were a group of cells on the way to making a human being?
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Stem Cells - I can't think of one reason why they should throw the extra cells away, rather than sav
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Everyone begins somewhere...blob of cells or not (sm)
still a life in the making. Just because he/she is in the very early stages makes him/her no less a real person, coming to life.
They are much more than 2 merged cells when they are aborted....
you obviously have a brain...use it.
Until I developed a sufficient number of cells to even
that's exactly what I was. And so were you. It's how biology works. Oh, wait. I forgot. You only studied creationism, right?
Mindboggling that republicans would rather throw the cells in the trash...sm
Than put them to use to save a life and in the same sentence call themselves PROlife. I'd really like to understand this reasoning.
I don't agree with cloning or using aborted fetuses for this research (the latter because I am a prolifer), but when an embryo is headed for the dumpster why not use it for research and medicine.
I saw a MJF ad run on Fox News Channel and it was probably the only ad I've taken seriously. He's dedicated to finding a cure.
In answer to AG's question, why do celebrities become the spokeperson's for different causes? They have the finances, fame and connections to rally support. Sure, there are smaller organizations out there, but many would not get the air time or financial support as MJF.
With great power comes great responsibility.
Is the new legislature talking about stem cells of aborted fetuses?...sm
Because I am a pro-life liberal. I don't rattle any cages about what other people chose to do with their bodies because I believe 90% of the time a person who choses to abort will not be a good parent anyway and will probably do worse to the child once outside the womb. Yes, I do believe a horid life can be worse than death before full development. The child will more than likely be in abject poverty, social and mental deprivation, and on and on. But more importantly, I think people should be more responsible to not get pregnant in the first place when they don't want kids.
Having said all that we do live in an age where abortion is legal, and like I said if they are going to dispose of the fetus anyway, why not use the stem cells to give hope to a Christopher Reeves of the world.
Now, when you talk about cloning and reproducing parts and such I'm not agreeing with that. That's taking it too far IMHO.
This group came to
Massachussetts when I was up there. They hit 3 places. The first was a high school graduation at a Catholic school. The went through all their anti-Catholic stuff from the usual Mary Purgatory stuff to over-the-top psychotic rantings about "fags." They were carrying signs and parading around. I felt so sorry for those kids but at least they just kept on keeping on. No name calling from their side, no recognition on their part at all that these people were even there. They knew in advance these wackos were coming and they were prepared. They behaved beautifully. The Kansas Group's second hit was a Catholic Sunday Mass where they held up signs of Pope John Paul (someone might want to tell them he is no longer the Pope) upside down with horns on his head. Again, all the anti-Catholic yada yada yada. And the third was at an elementary school the following Monday. A 4th grade girl had written an essay that won an award (don't know where or from whom) but it was about Ellen Degeneres so these people surrounded the school, scared the kids half to death shouting they were all going to hell and singled out the poor recipient of the award. Then, when their work was done they jumped on their bus and headed on to their next chosen-by-God-personally den of iniquity. I have not a smidgen of a doubt that these people hear God talking to them...in fact that is one of the most common manifestations of psychosis, overly religious, overly sexual...that sort of thing...sounds to me like they have covered all the required bases for a DSM-IV classification.
Same group was here in Wisconsin...
I posted on this about six weeks ago. This group was in a small town in Wisconsin near me and got EXTREMELY negative press, of course, so at least that was good. I did feel really really bad, though, for the family of the soldier that died and their being forced into this ridiculous spectacle.
I try to feel better about it by thinking these radical evangelical crazies come out in the open and end up revealing to the general American public how nuts they are that and that perhaps as a result some of the current Republican love affair with evangelicals may erode a bit. Now, of course, I realize they don't represent Christians in general.....I'll stop there.
What a nice group!!!!
Below is from the Protestwarrior website or else "RNC Watch":
Although the Protest Warriors usually make a big deal about how they have been the victims of leftist "violence," several of their recent bulletin board posts advocate carrying concealed weapons to demonstrations at the RNC. "I would bring pepper spray," writes one. "I will be utilizing my concealed weapons permit," writes another. "We should be prepared for violence," writes a third. These posts are similar to the infamous CraigsList NYC posting of more than a year ago in which a New Yoker wrote that "We need good old fashioned Conservatives, the kind that believe in God, Country, and Family (the Mom and Dad kind), the kind that played football, baseball, and basketball, to help with security [at the RNC]. This is totally separate from the organized Convention. We will meet the groups determined to disrupt the open discussion of ideas (the Convention) with a group of our own and battle them in the streets of New York."
You can also see picture of the founders of Protest Warriors lovingly cradling high-powered fire-arms on the PW website. "ProtestWarrior HQ is now heavily armed," the site operators write.
![](http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_11.jpg") (Picture Caption: The Founder of Protest Warriors) Recently, a small media stir was created by a tiny, right-wing fringe group known as the Protest Warriors.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:22 pm |
Yes. We are a group of individuals.
Did you lose your dictionary?
any group that insists its
beliefs are the only true beliefs, works actively to force those beliefs on me, believes men rode around on dinosaurs, and wants to control my reproductive organs, and keep my children in the dark about their sexual function is not my enemy, but I do avoid them. Oh, and Jehovah's Witnesses banging on my door -- I avoid them too.
There are fanatics in any group
and usually they are an embarrassment to the rest of that group, and usually are the most hypocritical. I can't speak for other Christians, but I do apologize to anyone who has been made uncomfortable by one. Usually a "no thanks" should suffice. :)
Why does anyone or any group want you to vote?
To support their agenda. That goes for democrats, republicans....Obama's agenda is socialism. Thanks, but no thanks.
Just out of curiousity, exactly what group
of people would fall in the category of *redneck ignoramouses?* I have heard the term redneck before and kind of get a mental picture when I hear that. I would just like to know for sure. You seem so knowledgeable about the monkey issue. Thanks.
Not a group I'd ever want to be included in.
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this is what my moms group said
when I would not get pregnant, even though I had a several kids.
Not Republican enough! Ha!Ha! Not mommies and me enough!
Oh, please. Any group has their nutcases.
nm
Every group has their nut jobs.
You cannot group all conservatives into that category especially since there are just as many nut jobs on the liberal side. Get over yourself and give me a break!
glad to see you and weepaws are having that big group hug
Pat yourselves on the back I'm sure you are both loving parents. Congrats!
Sarah Palin is too. To try to insinuate she doesn't love her kids because she works outside the home is too absurd.
That's nice you can both work at home. That is a choice we have been able to make due to people like Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin wants to make the country a better place. That is a very admireable trait in her.
Listening to you two talk you are sending us back to the 1940s and 1950s where a woman's place was in the home, in the kitchen, barefoot and having babies.
If your for Obama and Biden that's fine but to cut down someone who is trying to make the country a better place for her children and she has the loving support and help from her husband and family there is nothing wrong with that.
Overall it sounds like you are quite nervous because Obama and Biden are going to have to do better than they have been to win. Your hatred and loathing is coming out. Just gives me the heebie jeebies to listen to it.
Why else would any religious group want you to vote?
Silly girl!
Replace all your dems with you. Do not group all...sm
the posts on this board to one party or the other. Whenever a lone person posts something that you don't agree with, you attribute it to all democrats. We do not all think alike. That is the wonderful thing about us, we do not march in step, we march to different drummers to a common cause.
Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm
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Another leftwing slander group. Is that all you got?- sm
You have no proof whatsoever to back any of this up.
This is about as good as when they said she banned books from the library and one of those books was Harry Potter. What the leftwing forgot to remember was Harry Potter hadn't even been written yet when they said she banned it.
The leftwingers are in a frenzy to try and trash McCain & Palin because it's not looking to great for Obama and Biden. If Obama and Biden were so great and "everyone" wanted him as president he would be soaring ahead in the polls. But he's not. He's neck and neck and depending on which poll you read he's either ahead or behind by just a few points.
Looks like the right-wing group is getting a little testy! (nm)
:p
CITI group bailout
Okay, MSN just said the new administration will go into significant deficit spending to fund programs and bailout. They are talking a 700 Billion package here. Can anyone tell me how they will do that and where does deficit money come from? Seriously. I don't get it. Are we losing more and more of our future personal security here? Does this get borrowed from other sources (as in the spending they did instead of funding our social security?) Without that Social Security income in my future (not too far off, I might add) on top of what I have lost in my 401K and IRA, I am doomed.
HAMAS is a terrorist group
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Like that group of scholars could determine anything....
how do we know WHO the cartoon meant? Get over it already. Unless the chimp is wearing a Hello, My Name is Obama sticker, we don't know who it represents. See the above thread about Holder regarding jumping to conclusions.
What hate group do you suppose you
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maybe common for your age group (my dear)
zoom, zoom, zoom
I think you have a misogynistic overtone. Look that up.
I definitely do not condone group sex, eeewww!...
It is one after the other!
All together, ewwww!
The group that met with Obama & Clinton in Chantilly, VA? nm
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It became political when a group of activist judges...
thumbed their noses at the Constitution and legalized abortion from the bench. Let's get the facts straight.
I don't understand why, if you folks are so sure you are right, you get so angry when someone disagrees with you. At least admit what you are giving the right to choose. The right to kill a baby. Because that is what is happening. If left alone the child would mature and be born. It is alive. It is moving, heart is beating, taking nourishment. Alive, no matter how much you deny it. So when you have an abortion, you are killing a child. If you are pro choice, you are pro killing a child.
At least be honest about it.
As a matter of fact, I work with a group...
who provide help and counseling to women/girls who find themselves in this position. We have referrals for adoption if that is the choice the person makes. If the person elects to keep the child (and I am pleased to say very many have), we have several agencies which help with that. We have businesses who will provide jobs. We have housing referrals. And we do not stop supporting once the baby is born. We have a network of volunteers who will help with babysitting while the mother works until she can afford daycare. And most of the girls who make the decision to have and keep their child are very motivated to provide for that child. If it takes a week, a month, or a year, we help with that. We have had girls come in after an abortion wanting to talk to someone and we try to help those girls cope. The abortion providers are nowhere to be found when the regret sets in. And often times, it does set in. I am also glad to say that some of those girls have joined us as volunteers. So I do put my money where my mouth is. It is a very small fish in a very large barrel...but if one baby is not aborted, I consider it a victory.
The concept is similar to any group plan.
without compromising the care. It is the FEHB (Federal Employees health Benefits) program. It is really good coverage, low deductibles, several choices. Heres the home page website:
http://www.opm.gov/insure/05/index.asp
Obama comes from the group of Chicago crooks.
nm
I have never in my life seen a group of people in such denial over EVERYTHING!! Get your heads out
You people deny that the dems are responsible for the housing crisis. Do some objective research!! They most certainly DID cause the crisis! You deny that the voter fraud from ACORN is a big deal, and that they are not trying to sway the election to any particular side!!! There were over 200,000 fraudulent votes in Ohio alone!! I was watching on CNN about this (the station that NEVER says anything negative towards liberals), and they were even talking about what a huge problem this is. They showed a ballot with the name of Jimmie Johns. They found the address, and it was Jimmie Johns restaurant - and there are 10s of thousands of ballots like this. And who worked for ACORN? Yup - the people's Messiah Obama. And somehow you all will find a way to minimize this and twist the facts, and probably blame me for telling this to you...
For crying out loud. His target group IS workers
are so low that they come up not owing tax at the end of the year, then it would not be possible to give them a tax cut or a tax credit, unless it is a refundable tax credit. So far, you have not provided any evidence that Obama is proposing a REFUNDABLE tax credit. As a matter of fact, why do you supposed he call this tax credit "Making WORK pay." The credit will zero out at zero tax liability unless it is a refundable tax credit. Again, it seems like you cannot produce any evidence that this is the case. Or can you? What about the socialist question with regard to progressive tax reform proposals only being socialist at Obama's hands, an no other president in history since 1913, including the 7 republicans who raise the top income bracket rates to as high as 63% to 94%, as opposed to Obama, whose intent is to restore that rate back to 39.6% as it was in 2000 when Bush took office?
It is not the same at all, not picking on a specific group,race, or ethnicity....sm
as a matter of fact, some of my worst dictators are AMERICAN, they hate dictating and so act like little kids and speed talk, trip all over their words, slur everything together, mispronounce without correcting themselves, chew, burp, rattle papers and x-rays, etc., and then will correct several paragraps because they "forgot" this or that. At least foreign docs have an excuse, and many try to enuniciate clearly, spell things, out, etc. There is no comparison here...complaining about high percentage of difficult docs in your queue is not the same as drawing a "cartoon" that points directly in one direction, is poorly disguised, and is dispersed and disseminated in a national, hugely circulated newpaper.
Just in the interest of full disclosure, other members of the Carlyle Group....
They include among others, John Major, former British Prime Minister; Fidel Ramos, former Philippines President; Park Tae Joon, former South Korean Prime Minister; Saudi Prince Al-Walid; Colin Powell, former Secretary of State; James Baker III, former Secretary of State; Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary; Richard Darman, former White House Budget Director; the billionaire George Soros, and even some bin Laden family members. You can add Alice Albright, daughter of Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State; Arthur Lewitt, former SEC head; William Kennard, former head of the FCC, to this list. Finally, add in the Europeans: Karl Otto Poehl, former Bundesbank president; the now-deceased Henri Martre, who was president of Aerospatiale; and Etienne Davignon, former president of the Belgian Generale Holding Company.
I never knew George Soros was a member. I never bothered to check. Now THAT is interesting.
Also, in the interest of putting it all out there...the bin Laden family disowned Osama years before 9-11.
Obama's group has tried to shut Stanley Kurtz up several times...
He was on WGN radio in August when Obama supporters were told to call in and voice their displeasure about Mr. Kurtz and his appearance. Mr. Kurtz has done extensive research regarding the Obama/Ayers/Wright association. The WGN host offered to have someone from the Obama campaign on to counterpoint Mr. Kurtz but they declined. You would think they would like to refute something they vehemently deny.
Like your no-class group that shouted "Kill Him" regarding O at a GOP rally? With Palin? or
don't you remember that? Bunch of hypocrites - you guys dish it but you sure don't like to take it.
Any group that insists its beliefs are the only true beliefs,
works actively to force those beliefs on me, have reduced sex to "expression" and the more partners the better, needs to control their reproductive organs a little bit better, not my enemies either, but their way is not the only way...hellooo democracy...it's part of your name isn't it?
As to Jehovah's Witnesses, I take their booklet, thank them kindly, and throw it in the trash.
No one is forcing anything on you.
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