blah, blah, blah yourself - talk about no intellingent conversation

• Since we obviously aren't going to be able to have..(sm) - Just the big bad
  • Politicians and their love lives - Trigger Happy
  • It was mentioned that he was separated at the time - sbMT
    • I think the thing to note here...(sm) - Just the big bad
      • I agree to a certain extent - see message - just me
    • Separated, he was still married - SS
      • yes, seoparated is still married, no flings allowed...nm - ()
  • Not one peep all day - until a reason - to start trouble - nm
  • You are SO boring.... - z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z
    • **What are you saying**? That you don't - know enough to mention even ONE?
    • Intelligence bores you? - Stating the obvious
    • Yeah....(sm) - Just the big bad
      • Yes, I agree, let's try a juicier subject, as the political minds - ()
      • Hold on. Not all pubs, please. - Backwards typist
        • I was just talking about....(sm) - Just the big bad
          • OMG, JTBB, I am almost always on your - ()
          • I wanted to, but DH said no. - Backwards typist
            • I hope you don't mind my intrusion here. - Marmann
      • I'm with you big bad - - radmt14
        • whoa - hold on there - see message - just me
          • because conservatives stick to the old, - ()
            • You are kidding right???? This is what I'm talking about - just me
              • Really? (sm) - Just the big bad
              • acc. to your judgment; WHAT is a liberal and what is an independent?..nm - ()
                • The difference is..... - just me
                  • your definition if a liberal is totally wrong,,sm - ()
                  • Independent versus Liberal...sm - ()
                    • Individual liberty? Why allow the Government - so much power then? O wants to control everything.
                • what makes these 2 so much different? They have a lot of common, - ()
        • I agree with you too, JTBB. - No intelligent conversation here now.
          • Right on! Let's nominate JTBB the leader of thePolitics Board!...nm - ()
          • That's not "grilling" it's called questioning what is wrong - just me
            • blah, blah, blah, I read only the 1st sentence and - ()
              • blah, blah, blah yourself - talk about no intellingent conversation - just me
                • blah, blah, that's all there is to converse about your long comment...nm - ()
                  • Wow, the intelligence in this message is astounding - just me
              • these 8 (eight) years over!...nm - ()
          • How pathetic. I am not scared by intelligence. - I am scared of Obama, since he shows very little.n
            • this is slandering the President of the United States..sm - ()
              • And you don't have any proof otherwise - hmmmm
          • Question...did you grill Bush on anything and everything? - watcher
        • Oh, rad, get serious. Look at this OP - -intelligent post? thats actually funny!l nm

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"changed their minds to save our lives".  Wow, you really believe that crap don't you?  Yea, that's right, let's be like all the other barbaric countries that use torture.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  By the way, I do believe that ANYONE involved in giving the go ahead on "enhanced interrogation" should be prosecuted -- pubs and Dems alike.

It's been proven time and time again that torture does not give reliable results.  In fact, one of the most reliable pieces of information was obtained from giving a diabetic a cookie.  Yea, I guess treating someone like a human being just doesn't work. 

I am much less terrified by the "terrorists over there" than I am by the crazy rightwing loonies here in the country.  Those are the ones you really should be concerned about!!

Hi Lurker!!  Since you are the only one who seems to feel it necessary to post things like this.  I wasn't being disrespectful in any way.  If I was, I am sure the moderator would have deleted my posts.  Many of you on this board don't even respect the moderator.  Fact is, I've seen many on this board attack the moderator and administrator.  It is people like you who don't follow the rules. But hey, it's Christmas and I am not going to get caught up in your silly immature games.  Have a good one!

Same thing rehashed over and over again below. You will never reach the cold-hearted, evil ones with your message, so you should probably just give up, lol!

-- Now it's been said twice, so it must be twice as funny.

Nah, I dont think terrorists will come my way but, however, when I move back to NY next year (cant wait), if a terrorist decides to blow up my beloved subway system or Long Island railroad, I dont think a gun would mean much.  I do suggest Bush check out our borders cause right now Im living in CA, two hours from the Mexican border and it is quite easy to get across, without a problem at all and he should also check out the trucking industry cause there has been a question that possibly they can blow up trucks but, however, you cant live your life in fear.  Im not afraid..Im living my life as I have.  Im not afraid to die..With introspection, however, I am a bit fearful of suffering, so if it ever happened, I would hope I would die, not suffer, ya know? 

and it was about Affirmative Action. I remember it well because it was very long and civil exchange between the two of you back when I thought you could be reasoned with.  Nan said something about you have a different perspective and something like she could not challenge you from an African American point of view, I don't remember all the details, because you were African American at which point you said something like, what makes you think I am African American and she said, she thought you had said you were and you said I didn't say that because I am not.  Now this is not word for word but it is the gist of it.  Remember now?

things done without the parents' knowledge.

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

If you don't want to discuss it on the political board, quit discussing it. 

Buchanan to Obama

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a
community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ླྀs on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community
into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and inca rceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. AL about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But abo UT the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.