being a POW shaped him, but character, integrity and judgment
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if Mc gets so pear-shaped
over a common American colloquilsim that he himself used previously, how he is going to deal with sensitive international issues? Not everyone speaks English on this planet, and to put a hair-trigger temper in charge of dealing with clumsy word choices makes me s-c-a-r-e-d.
McCain's Integrity
Wednesday 10 September 2008
by: Andrew Sullivan, The Atlantic
For me, this surreal moment - like the entire surrealism of the past ten days - is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign?
So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him. On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush's war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country.
And when the Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to condemn and end the torture regime of Bush and Cheney in 2006, McCain again had a clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.
He capitulated and enshrined torture as the policy of the United States, by allowing the CIA to use techniques as bad as and worse than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam. He gave the war criminals in the White House retroactive immunity against the prosecution they so richly deserve. The enormity of this moral betrayal, this betrayal of his country's honor, has yet to sink in. But for my part, it now makes much more sense. He is not the man I thought he was.
http://www.truthout.org/article/mccains-integrity
lack of integrity
I am a died-in-the-wool Democrat and also from Pennsylvania. I have a legitimate interest in this. I have always admired Arlen Specter (he certainly never gives up) and have mostly agreed with his policies. However I think it shows a total lack of integrity to switch parties in the middle of a term. He was elected as a Repbulican and should serve as a Republican........after all he can still vote according to his conscience. If he wants to run next year as a Democrat, then so be it, but he should remain a Repbulican until the end of his term. It is unfair to
This Democrat who previously voted for Specter will not have my vote again!
If you injected a little truth and integrity...
in that Che Guevara-type speech one might tend more toward believing you. And you employ exactly the tactics described in the OP...ridicule. The main weapon in the arsenal of the left. So indoctrinated you have no idea how indoctrinated you are. Wind you up and you repeat.
Obama is not about unity. If you had read his books, looked at his career, read his wife's thesis, studied their pastor of 20 years and his agenda, black liberation theology...you would realize this. Obama is about socialism...well apparently you are too. You have the Che picture behind your desk as well?
Preserving the integrity of our constitution?
As long as Obama is president, you will not see a preservation of our constitution. And he ain't alone; like so many others before him, our constitution has been all but stomped on and discarded. Obama certainly won't preserve your constitution.
interesting reading on jour integrity
http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002
This goes to judgment...
fast forward all the way to the end...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4HIc-yfgM
This is about the judgment and responsibility of
a woman who could possibly be the next Prez if something happens to the old man. This is not about who will conduct the next PTA meeting.
The ad is questioning his judgment
not whether he was exonerated.
Poor Judgment
Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
In your rush to judgment,
the reason for the 2-day delay might have been family related, rather than campaign related? Obama's great-uncle and sister were in attendance when she was released from the hospital.
Like any other human being, he has brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and cousins. Even in the most dyfunctional families and in those whose life circumstances keep them miles apart, often times they come together around a death bed to offer their support. His grandmother's 86th birthday is Sunday. Perhaps the timing had to do with coordinating his visit with the presence of other family who needed a day or 2 to "drop everything" and catch a plane. Who can really know the exact reason?
My prayer for Madelyn Dunham is that she has the strengh to hold on long enough to to turn 86 and to see her grandson be elected the next President of the United States. My guess is that she will be doing just that.
Did I hear you say Bad Judgment?
been trying to get someone to question since day one of this campaign!! Obama's Judgment of the people he chooses to advise and lead him! THANK YOU!! for finally realizing judgment is an issue.
Oh, something tells me you'd love to be at that judgment. ...sm
I think nothing would delight you more.
>> of all these babies aborted, could one of them have been the person that cures cancer? Or becomes the next great leader? >>
That seems wildly optimistic to me. I think it's just as likely that of all those babies aborted, one could have been the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Timothy McVeigh (sp?). Or, more likely, just your average low-life criminal, or not-so-productive drain on society. I mean, I don't mean to be negative, but most people are just, well, I think "average" is putting it nicely. Have you been to the mall or any other public place lately? Wow.
>> Abortion is an easy way out. If you can't make the correct choice to have sex or not, to use protection or not, then you should have to live with the consequences>>
You should have to live with the consequences? So... pregnancy and parenthood as punishment, then? You sound awfully vindictive. So, have sex without protection like when you're a stupid teenager, or even with protection and it fails, and be punished for it for the rest of your life and the child's? Yeah. That sounds like a great recipe for the neverending cycle of misery and poverty that some people get stuck in.
He made a big error in judgment
By boycotting Fox. The numbers prove literally daily that they have the most viewers of all, and look how many pay for the cable version of Fox?
Hillary went on The Factor and was treated very fairly, and was also treated with great respect by Greta. Incidentally, Greta, a Scientologist, is not what I'd consider to be part of the "vast right wing conspiracy." So much for the "Republican" channel! Incidentally, Greta has invited Obama multiple times as well, to no avail.
Wow, how foolish.
Excuse me. He has all the experience, judgment
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I didn't rush my judgment, I have had
several days now to ponder this, wondering why he put it off.
When my father fell ill, my brother dropped everything to get here with the rest of us. He had to get on the first flight out. He didn't make it in time. It was also that same brother's birthday, the day my dad died.
So before you rush to judgment with me, I have been there, done that.
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I'll leave that judgment call up to
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You make that judgment from one post on a board....
are we then to assume, because of Bill Clinton's antics, that all democrats are morally bankrupt?
This "true Christian" leaves judgment to God.
I am beginning to worry about Obama's judgment
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Palin is exhibit A of McCain's poor judgment
he is not presidential material
That's interesting, coming from one of the most judgment neocons on the liberal board.
G. Gordon Liddy says he hopes Sotomayor menstruation doesn't affect judgment
A major conservative radio host, G. Gordon Liddy, attacked President Obama's Supreme Court nominee Thursday in perhaps one of the most grotesque politically-oriented tirades in recent times.
"Let’s hope that the key conferences aren’t when she’s menstruating or something, or just before she’s going to menstruate," Liddy said. "That would really be bad. Lord knows what we would get then."
Liddy is no stranger to controversy -- in fact, he spent four years in jail for his role in the Nixon-era Watergate burglaries. His radio show is syndicated in 160 markets and on the Sirius Radio network.
Liddy also attacked Sotomayor for her affiliation with LA Raza, a Hispanic civil rights group (which was also maligned Thursday by former GOP Rep. Tom Tancredo, who called it the Latino KKK). Liddy referred to the Spanish language as "illegal alien."
"I understand that they found out today that Miss Sotomayor is a member of La Raza, which means in illegal alien, 'the race,'" Liddy quipped. "And that should not surprise anyone because she’s already on record with a number of racist comments."
"And everybody is cheering because Hispanics and females have been, quote, underrepresented, unquote," Liddy added later. "And as you pointed out, which I thought was quite insightful, the Supreme Court is not designed to be and should not be a representative body."
The comments were noted by the blog ThinkProgress. Audio of Liddy's comments follow.
The following audio is The G. Gordon Liddy Show , broadcast on May 28, 2009.
What does it say about a man's character when he...
stiffs folks on campaign bills when he steps out of the race?
FW: Joe Biden (You WON'T see THIS "reported"....ANYWHERE!!!)
I feel an obligation to honesty and truth to share with you some facts. My Father and Mother instilled in me the values and morals of treating people fairly and always being honest. If you purchase something, you pay for it. If you borrow something, you give it back.
I have been "stiffed" three times in my 30 year professional career by someone who I rendered services to, gave a finished product to, but who refused to pay for those services even though they acknowledged the services and products were correct, were what they asked for, and were never challenged for not being correct. I am lucky in having only three, but those three hurt badly.
Joe Biden was one of those people. I worked on his 1988 Presidential campaign financial disclosure engagement. I busted it for him and got everything right. He stiffed me for over $15,000 worth of work. He refused to pay once he dropped out of the race. I did similar Capitol Hill campaign financial disclosure work for Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and a Democratic candidate for Ambassador to New Zealand. All of those folks paid even though they lost the election or did not get the appointment. That type of work is very demanding and very tedious because your efforts are scrutinized by Congress. Biden did not care.
I am on the Board of Directors of a company that owns a majority position in a private jet management company in Northern Virginia. They manage jets for businesses and rich folks. They also charter planes to the public. This past winter John Thompson chartered over $250,000 worth of air time. He paid every penny.
Joe Biden, in his latest unsuccessful run for President, chartered over $150,000 worth of air time. He PAID ZERO. He continues to refuse to pay stating his race is over and he is out of money. He never once complained about his flights. Joe Biden is a rich man. He could pay.
Joe Biden is a liar and a cheat. I know it first hand. Character is what life is all about. Joe Biden is a man of bad character and sets a bad example for America.
I feel compelled to share this dark side of a man who asks for your vote and trust.
Best Regards,
Bruce D. Riddle, CPA, CFP
BDR Associates, LLC
This email went out 9-2. Biden has now paid the bill. Well go figure...LOL.
Character
Unless there is a new candidate, I see no character in any of the candidates. The only one who gets any real sympathy from me is Joe Biden; how horrible it must have been to lose a wife and a child in a terrible accident.
As for McCain, by his own admission, he was not faithful in marriage, yet we expect him to be faithful to those of us who are small time people that he doesn't even know? I think not.
Yes, I read what McCain's ex-wife had to say about him. I greatly admire and respect her for not bad-mouthing the father of her children. I think many women would do well to follow her example. But can anyone tell me with a straight face that the ex-wife, scorned and pubically at that, can remain a great fan of the ex-husband for any reason than out of love and respect for her children or perhaps for money? No? I didn't think so.
Everyone thankfully is free to vote for whomever they wish. I will not vote for a rat that ran out on his disabled wife. Whether he did it for Cindy's youth and beauty or for her money, I don't know, but it surely advanced his political aspirations. What I do know is that I would not like to see such an immoral man in the White House. Is Obama any better? I don't know. His administration might be worse than McCain's but I'll take a chance on him by voting, not FOR him but AGAINST John McCain.
Character
Honestly I think McCain has less character than Obama but then I respect your opinion.
At least she has character.........unlike some
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character is not an "issue" to them. Well, it is
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One word: Character....nm
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What does it say about a candidate's character
1. Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final.
2. Calls his wife C-word.
3. While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.
4. Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.
5. Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.
6. Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."
7. Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."
8. Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word.
9. Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads.
10. Ignites a culture war to get elected.
11. Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.
12. Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"
13. Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008.
14. Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy.
Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed. Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership.
Simple ? What does it say about a man's character when he
1. Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final.
2. Calls his wife C-word.
3. While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.
4. Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.
5. Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.
6. Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."
7. Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."
8. Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word.
9. Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads.
10. Ignites a culture war to get elected.
11. Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.
12. Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"
13. Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008.
14. Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy.
Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed. Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership.
character issue
McSame was unfairly attacked by Bush machine when they ran in primaries together. Bush people insinuated he had a black child out of wedlock. They even claimed he was mentally unstable due to his time as a POW. McSame was deeply wounded by the attacks. But now he is willing to use same diversion techniques against Obama. That, my friends, speaks of the character of the man.
McCain's Character ...sm
Found this comment on McCain. I guess he just so desperately wants to win. How many of his former friends and supporters have said lately that they don't recognize him anymore?
“Character”
John McCain says this election is about character – and he‘s right.
In the 2000 presidential race the Bush campaign – led by Karl Rove – viciously attacked John McCain’s wife and child – they said his wife was a drug addict and that the child he and his wife adopted from an orphanage was actually his illegitimate Black daughter. On election night, his wife was in tears.
Back then, McCain was disgusted. He said there was “a special place in h*ll” for rumormongers like these people. He made a promise to his family and to his supporters that he would never run a dirty campaign like that. Never.
But early this year John McCain hired Charlie Condon, the very same man who was behind those vicious smears to run his South Carolina campaign. And then several weeks ago he brought Steven Schmidt - leading protégé of Karl Rove and master of the political hit job - on board to be his campaign manager and write the talking points for the new negative campaign against Barak Obama.
It’s sad to watch, McCain’s willingness to humiliate himself by hiring the same gang of people who horribly insulted him and his family. It shows that he has become so desperate to win this election that he is willing to sacrifice his principles and his personal honor in order to do it
Let’s face it. A real man would have said to those people – “Get the h*ll out of my office before I throw you out” the minute they walked in. A person would not have to be a tough guy like John Wayne to say that. A gentle, decent man of character would have told them the same thing.
But what did John McCain say about Bush’s dirty politics gang?
He said: “I had to get over it … it was a long time ago”
It’s sad, genuinely sad
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John McCain – he’s no longer the man he used to be.
I don't think character (or lack of it)...
...is restricted to one political party.
Whether this crook is a Democrat or a Republican, he should be tossed in jail and the keys thrown away. Period.
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Character? Have you done any research at all...
about how quickly he rose through Chicago politics? The Daly machine? The people he has dealth with? His 20-year association with black liberation theology? He admitted in his own book he went to socialist conferences and was "exposed" to Marxist literature. None of this really matters to you? Is the United Socialist States of America (sounds suspiciously like the USSR, does it not?) what you really want? If so...vote enthusiastically for Obama. How any thinking person can ignore all this boggles the mind...but of course, it has happened in other countries (Cuba, Venezuela...Russia...), it can happen here too.
No way, no how, could I be any part in putting that man in the White House, especially with a Democratic majority in the Congress.
We would be hosed...all of us...and partly at the hands of our countymen/women. Ironic, doncha think?
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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Character questions
We all know that we can go back and forth on which candidate is the best for our country. We also know that when running for president candidates can promise a lot. Since it is not possible to know how each candidate's economic, tax or any other policy will turn out until they are actually in office, I will be basing my vote on how they feel about moral issues, i.e. marriage, abortion, etc. Each candidate has a platform/an agenda they will be pushing once elected. Their platform can be seen on the internet by googling 2008 Democratic Party Platform or 2008 Republican Party Platform. There is some very interesting stuff in there. Check it out.
Speaking of character...
Just because a Georgia congressman needs some publicity (like a 2-year-old, bad attention is just as good as good attention) and says something stupid, people jump all over it.
There are whackos in Congress, just as there are in the general public. A perfect example is Michele Bachmann who trashed Obama on national television, and when she saw it backfired on her, she quickly produced a commercial saying some nonsense about her words not always coming out right but her heart being in the right place. (And then she blamed the host of the show for tricking her into saying these outlandish things.)
After the election, she then went on to do a 180 and issued the statement below.
After suggesting that Barack Obama had anti-American views in an exchange three weeks ago with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) told Politico Thursday that she was "extremely grateful that we have an African-American who has won this year." She called his victory "a tremendous signal we sent."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/bachmann-praises-obamas-w_n_141922.html
I would not call that a lack of character...
I would actually call it strong character that she can praise Obama's win even though she feels he has anti-American views. So that is her opinion, as many of us here feel.
Not laughing. Bush has more character than
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Speaking of character. It should matter, but
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Those who assassinate the character of people they've never met
only succeed in illuminating their own shortcomings.
I won't be responding to you any more. It's pointless. You're not here to debate. You're here to insult.
Have a lovely evening. 
Sure thing....case closed. JM has character....
Obama does not.
Just because someone does not come on after your final barb, doesn't mean I think you're right.
You are largely non-debatable anyway, and one-note choir.
That's right Character matters, meanwhile MQ puffs on W's cigar
Yep, W is his goooood buddy. They be bestest of friends. Gives him big ole bear hugs. Nice to see McSame in the saddle.
Don't you wish ? Issue is character, trust, loyalty and
What about the rest of the list. Again, question is what does this kind of repeated behavior spanning ?many years say about a man's character, especially one who now implores a nation to admire his character, trust his judgment, believe he is loyal to his porported "cause" and that he respects women...the votes he now seeks
Yeah, I don't trust Obama's character
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President Bush's strength of character.....sm
was tested this weekend, when two shoes were hurled at his head in fast succession, while the owner of said shoes, (size 10, by the way, per our prez), had hoped they would hit him, not to mention embarass with the intended podiatric insult.
However, President Bush showed great strength of character in the aftermath of said attack, calling off the secret service, and making light of the matter.
And not to mention, lightning quick reflexes.
Kudos to you, Mr. President. I salute you.
LOL! "Bush's strength of character", now that's funny.
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This speaks volumes about the character of the man who would be president
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