You seem very derogatory about faith, my friend...
Posted By: Observer on 2008-02-23
In Reply to: Your 2nd paragraph is complete and utter nonsense. sm - Not the OP
yet I think it takes much more "faith" in a ridiculous theory that a one-cell amoeba crawled out of a mucky ocean somewhere and through "evolution" became man. You can't "prove" that, scientists can't "prove" that, but you believe it...because somebody said and it wrote it down...sound like the Bible? lol. That too is "faith."
And I do not understand why you have to protest against something so strongly that you feel does not exist. Why would you bother? Why does someone having a life-changing experience bother you so much? You might want to examine where that comes from. Perhaps you are not as seated in your nonbelief as the poster is in her belief?
Just asking.
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Yes, I am very derogatory about faith. sm
Thank you for noticing. Let me respond.
You wrote:
>>yet I think it takes much more "faith" in a ridiculous theory that a one-cell amoeba crawled out of a mucky ocean somewhere and through "evolution" became man. You can't "prove" that, scientists can't "prove" that, but you believe it...because somebody said and it wrote it down...sound like the Bible? lol. That too is "faith." >>
Well, first of all you're mistaken. Scientists can prove evolution and have. The only people left still trying to deny evolution are doing so because it challenges or threatens their religious beliefs. For the rest of the world it's clear there is overwhelming evidence for biologic evolution and natural selection as the way that life developed and continues to develop (or become extinct...) on Earth. Please, read up on it. Fossils. Dinosaurs. It's facinating.
Note that I'm not talking about the *origin* of life, about how it all get started. Neither science or religion can answer that question. Religion says God made everything but it doesn't answer the question of who or what made God. And evolution doesn't answer the question of how the universe and our planet came to exist in the first place, just how life evolved here on Earth. (Though I think it's entirely possible science will eventually be able to answer this question.)
Second, what you wrote is not a valid arguement because religion and science are not on equal footing. They're two completely different things. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Let me give you a nice long quote from one of my favorite authors, Richard Dawkins (which should come as no surprise to you) because he explains it far more eloquently than I can:
'(Religious) fundamentalists know they are right because they have read the truth in a holy book and they know, in advance, that nothing will budge them from their belief. The truth of the holy book is an axiom, not the end product of a process of reasoning. The book is true, and if the evidence seems to contradict it, it is the evidence that must be thrown out, not the book. By contrast, what I, as a scientist, believe (for example, evolution) I believe not because of reading a holy book but because I have studied the evidence. It really is a very different matter. Books about evolution are believed not because they are holy. They are believed because they present overwhelming quantities of mutually buttressed evidence. In principle, any reader can go and check that evidence. When a science book is wrong, somebody eventually discovers the mistake and it is corrected in subsequent books. That conspicuously doesn't happen with holy books.'
Now to your next question:
>>And I do not understand why you have to protest against something so strongly that you feel does not exist. Why would you bother? Why does someone having a life-changing experience bother you so much?>>
The part that bothered me was not someone having a life-changing experience. What bothers me is religion. I should think that was clear. What irritated me was the comment made in the post about athiests. It was an opinion presented as fact. That irritated me enough to cause me to respond. (BTW, did you read the whole thread, or just that part? We were talking about the bible.)
You also asked why I would bother to protest about something I don't believe exists. Are you kidding me? Look at the board we're on. It's a political board. I don't believe God exists, but religion sure does and I don't want its influence in our government. I don't have time to list all the reasons I have for protesting, but that's probably the biggest - the fact that I don't want to live in a theocracy. I don't want a president who believes God talks to him and tells him what to do, for example. I want religion to stay out of our goverment, at every level. This country is not only about freedom OF regligion, it's about freedom FROM religion.
Christian was actually a derogatory term
used to describe the followers of Christ. Christian means "little Christ" because TRUE Christians are supposed to strive to be like Jesus.
We are to beware of false prophets and those who go around claiming to be Christians. You will know them by the fruit that they bear. Jesus told the parable of the wheat and the tares. It is hard to discern them by looking at them, but in the end the tares will be cast into the fire. The tares are those who say "I am a Christian" but then go about killing, plundering, etc. You are not a true Christian if you do these things. The wheat are the Christians who strive to be like Christ. Although they fail everyday, they get up and try again. When they sin they ask forgiveness and try their darnest not to do it again. When we mess up we feel conviction and that leads us to ask for forgiveness. No true Christian will go out and sin without guilt or remorse. That is like slapping God in the face.
I am a Southern Baptist. Anything taught at our church comes straight from the Bible. We look at all verses IN CONTEXT. My pastor won't even paraphrase! We believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. We strive to do everything that is commanded of us by Christ. No, we do not follow OT rules, because when Christ came he brought a new law. When Peter was in Goppa he was told by God that all animals were fit for eating, therefore we are not required to not eat certain foods any longer. We are not required to offer sacrifice anymore since Christ was the ultimate sacrifice.
One of the biggest commandments Jesus gave us was The Great Commission - to go and tell the world of what He did and the saving grace of the cross. We are to care for "widows and orphans" and to help those in need. We are to love our neighbor, but we are to use the Word to rebuke and teach GENTLY. If another Christian is out of line, we are to remind them of what Christ told us. We are not to judge the sinner, as we are also sinners. But we are to hate the sin, and we are to worn others of the sins they commit. Why? Because that sin SEPARATES them from God and in the end will cause them to spend eternity in he11.
I believe on Judgment Day there will be many people who say "I did not know!" and Christ will say "you heard so many times and refused to believe!"
It's amazing at the ease of which people can be saved yet they refuse to accept it. Jesus did all the work for us. All that is required is to accept that He did that and give Him the glory for saving you.
If you are a parent with older children, I'm sure you remember a time when your child was a teen and the closeness you had when they were younger seemed to disappear. Hopefully as they got older you again became close. That is what God wants with us. He wants a close, personal relationship with each one of us. But because of our sin that cannot be achieved without accepting Christ. Christ is the tie between us and God.
Derogatory remarks about the Kennedy family.
Oh you mean like the fact that Joseph Kennedy thought Hitler was a great man. That fact? Or that he made much of his money bootlegging. That fact? Or maybe that Ted killed a young woman and was never prosecuted. That fact? Okay. I got it now. 
You hold the corner market on derogatory
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I didn't talk down your faith but your faith
Get over yourself already. He shows the kindness and tolerance of a true Christian and not all the hating and intolerance like you and a lot of people here. Just because you are a Christian doesn't make you any better than anyone else
Same to you, my friend!!
Knowing this is late, I hope you had the best day ever! 
OK. You are right. I am not. My friend
is not. Don't know why she would bring that up as we drove by gas stations in St. Pete, but obviously she was having a senior moment, was in an altered mental state or just flat-out lying...that is what it probably was, flat-out lying. I know it is important for the right to be right so I acquiesce. You are right and I am not.
MY FRIEND
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Your friend must have been
hot.........
Your friend must have been
hot.........
You my friend
scare me and millions of others with your so-called tolerance of death and disease for our children and youth. We should be hating it. AIDS and mental disease is not pretty.
Faith. sm
There was a poster on this board not too long ago of the Jewish faith. He was here to discuss the situation in Israel. He was hounded from this board ruthlessly. And not by conservatives.
Faith
I am not here to discuss Israel, just replying to an abortion post. I really don't care if I am hounded by anyone. Happens all the time :-)
I have faith
and am not ashamed to express it. Seems to me democrates place their hand on the bible just like rebublicans when taking the oath of office. Do you wonder about that too?
I think it does but I do have faith there are
good people out there too like you. So thank you for saying that. I tune in to CNN a lot of it has come up a few times that it matters. It is just depressing to me that it does still matter.
take care.
Keep the faith. No one knows what is going,,,sm
to happen with the economy or in the world over the next few months. At least we have a glimmer of hope with Obama.
Got that right, but keep the faith.
we can get through anything. We will come out in a much better place if we simply get our collective acts together and realize that change is coming (and I DON'T mean the campaign slogan) because it has to. WE have a choice. We can take charge of the situation and face those challenges as a united front or stay sidelined and wait for our leaders to show us the way. Clearly, I know which side of that decision I come down on.
According to your faith...(sm)
Christians were at one point persecuted, and they pushed and pushed until they got their way. I guess it was okay to do that back then.
Saddam US friend
Six months after the gassing of Kurds in 1988, the White House lent Saddam a billion dollars. In 1991, at the end of the Gulf War, US troops stood idly by while Saddam's presidential guards ruthlessly suppressed the uprising by the Kurds that Poppy Bush encouraged and had called for. In 1980, Saddam was made an honorary citizen of Detroit, Michigan. He was our friend back then, even though we knew his blood thirsty ways. We even supplied him with WMD, which we then destroyed with fly over bombing through the 1990's with sanctions placed on the country to weaken it even more. We also were friends with Osama in the 1970's when we had him and Afghan freedom fighters fight against Russia as we did not want Russia to have control of Afghanistan. In essence, Osama was trained by our CIA for war.
friend in Vietnam
I had two friend who went to Vietnam, one returned..and yes, he too was traumatized emotionally. He returned to his parents house and I used to stay over all the time as it was a *hang out house*..had a pool, large yard, you name it..we all hung out there (smile)..anyway, John was in Vietnam in 1969..he used to sent tapes home to his parents and we would all listen..when he returned to his parents house, forget it..you could not wake him in the morning, you would make a noise or call his name and he would jump up ready to fight you..He lived like this for a few years then he married..Since then I lost contact but I can tell ya, this guy had major issues trying to reconnect with **civilization**..I ache for the soldiers who are now fighting..the dead, the maimed and the emotionally and spiritually destroyed forever..FOR WHAT??????
I had a friend on Right Nation who went down there. SM
He lives about an hour away. He did not gestimate anywhere even close to that.
I'm a friend of Bill!
from the uber-liberal state of Massachusetts. I was just responding to previous post of why Observer posts on this forum.
You keep calling me your friend...
...why is that? I hope you don't generally treat your friends this way.
As far as me singling people out to torment -- it would only be you and it would be singular. Plus, I didn't "single" you out, just saw your posts on a PUBLIC forum and as I said, they looked kind of mean and cruddy. However, I would say you are the PLURAL stalker. Come one, come all you will take them on and condemn and mock all that folks say on the liberal board!! And then accuse them of all being the same person. Lots of paranoia goin' on in that ole brain of yours, doesn't sound very healthy at all!!! No, sir!!!
Yes, and Obama has at least 1 friend
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Well, Obama does have a friend who could help him
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That's her imaginary friend (nm)
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All you can do, my friend, is vote.
Everybody gets one vote (hopefully only one) to make her voice heard. One side has to lose. Be prepared either way. 
I have a friend of mine who has a
few nieces who are biracial and they are absolutely beautiful kids. I think some of the cutest kids are "oreos."
Obama's friend
http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2008/10/05/bill-ayers-weather-underground-not-just-anti-war/
close friend
My best friend had an abortion when she was a senior in high school. She was afraid to tell her parents. I took her and her boyfriend paid for the procedure. He did not go with her. Fast-forward 24 years. She has 3 children and has been married for 20 years. Does she regret her decision? Some days she does. Would she do it again? She says she would. She has talked about it with her teenage son and hopes that her children will never have to make the choice. She is a conservative Christian now (Assembly of God) and she still fights for abortion rights.
Gourdpainter, can I be your best friend?
Just kidding... But I like the way you post. I've found you far more interesting than any others on this board that use monikers. I don't use a moniker because I don't feel the need to, but I also agree to please let this man have some dignity while he mourns his grandmother.
No President will be able to make any changes overnight. The President is only as smart as the people around him.
Obama has stated again and again that it will not be easy but that we all must come together. I have not heard that once from the RNC, but only comments to bash a man because he may have a few beliefs that are different. He has a beautiful family (without all of the skeletons) and he does not plan for Americans to lose jobs but rather to make more jobs here and give tax credits to companies who hire people right here in the USA. He does have 2 daughters that will need an education and to prosper on American soil; does anyone not see that or is it just me?
I have a friend in the same situation...sm
His father worked for GM and died several years ago, leaving my friend a nice trust fund and health care benefits and pension for his widow who currently is in a long-term care facility. My friend, who is an MT and cannot afford insurance and is in bad health himself, told me that when his mom loses her benefits at the first of the year, he doesn't know what they will do.
I don't know if blame the government for this mess as much as I blame mismanagement by the automakers with their big executive salaries and perks and insistence on manufacturing super trucks and huge SUVs. It seems to me that more could have been done to stem this before it got this far.
Your friend probably just guessed
I doubt she would have any credible knowlege. Obama came out of nowhere. The first time I and most other people ever heard of him was when he ran for Senator. I recall the media referring to him as an "up and coming" politician.
The financial collapse just sure came at an opportune time too didn't it? I shudder to think what's ahead. As I've said before, I'll put my faith in God and His will WILL be done in the end.
I have a friend who is there too!! I have to check on her now. nm
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The terrorist's best friend.
Is the Taliban on your Christmas card list as well?
You seem to have swallowed the leftist lies hook, line, and sinker.
Let's not forget to honor those hard-working, industrious Nazis while we're at it.
And the Sudanese guerrilas.
And the lonely, struggling serial killers and child molesters and suicide bombers.
Nevermind....my friend says
that won't work because marijuana is too easy to grow so government can't regulate it and tax it. My bad.....didn't know that.
I'm with ya, friend, thanks for posting, actually, ....sm
my post had nothing at all to do with "being poor" or "having it bad," etc., because even though we can't vacation and restaurant every time we want, WE PUT OURSELVES on a budget so we would not have to live on credit and loans, which by the way helped to contribute to the downfall of this country.
Oh, God forbid any put off spending if they do not have it, WE WANT IT NOW has been the battle cry for a long time, like spoiled stupid children, (except children HAVE an excuse), so people took out credit cards they could not pay off, mortgages for a house they knew they could barely afford, etc. Now we are all paying the price as people default, banks default because of it, and so on.
No, I feel I am lucky indeed, even though a big chunk of our money goes not to "serious debt" but to meds for: asthma, diabetes, migraine, systemic lupus, Sjogren's disease, and rheumatoid arthritis, even with insurance that is EXPENSIVE. But, I still love my life, I have a mom I adore, kids I adore, a husband who has stood together with me for almost 29 years now and we really love/like each other, we have a modest home, great neighbors and friends....and if we wait because we are paying on tuition bills, or too many meds in one week, whatever........
This is not about ME, or about Ms. perfect out there, it is about a single post with a PROPOSAL, AN IDEA, which just might be AN ANSWER among many that will get more people off welfare, more peole paying into the tax system, less people needing assistance (WHICH COSTS US BIG MONEY, and there have been many railing against on this board, as I have also), my God, what ever happened to sticking to the issues, disagree away, why be a snotty child and as usual, revert to personal "digs?"
A friend was doing very poorly
for YEARS, losing weight, constant debilitating pain, weakness, n stamina, low energy. She knew, as most of her friends knew, that it was probably rheumatoid arthritis (family history). It was painful for us to watch her get out of her car and try to walk. She became skeletal, and had to go without treatment for a couple of years, avoiding an official diagnosis, until she finished school, internship and certification to become an LISW so she could get a job with insurance which would then cover her. Had she gotten the 'official diagnosis' prior to that, she may not have been covered. Now, with treatment, she is doing much better.
But that was my point about genetic testing. You can insure your 2-bedroom shack for less money than Bill Gates's mansion. You can insure your Nova for less than his Rolls. But unless you do genetic testing or exclude pre-existing conditions, we are all in the same boat on health insurance coverage. His bypass surgery (not that he can't afford to just write a check for it) will cost just about what yours will.
WEll then, be proud of your friend's son! nm
I SO agree and we are not of the same faith
I do not think Chronicles is in my bible - I have to go check that....but regardless, I totally agree with you. It says in my bible something like when chyt hits fan, it's gonna happen from the inside out.....this, to me, would be IT. I'm so not voting for him......nothign really against him, per se, but he's saying he's gonna fix every single problem in the USA - well, our economy sux....so where is the money coming from? Rhetorical question bears no answer - because it's going to come from us. Another thing - he does not have the amount of experience (governmental and the rest of it) for me to be comfortable with him as president. he ain't no JFK who came from a HUGE heavy background of experience(s). No offense meant to anyone but personally, I hope he loses - and Michelle said a month ago or two, *we are only going to do this once, and if we don't win, we are not going through this again* - I'm so praying for that to occur. y opinion, please no flames.....to each his/her own about who they want in office. 
I'd prefer someone than anyone who was running for this....but that's not gonna happen, unfortunately!!
We shall see. I never put much faith in blogs...
but, perhaps those who go to Obama will be replaced by those who come to McCain from the other side. Sorry...nothing will dampen this for me today. :)
I person of faith
who pubically ridiculed the Bible in a speech. A man who has sketchy associations. A man who attended a school in Indonesia were his school records list his religion as muslim and yet he denies ever being a muslim. A man who allowed his children to be baptized and attend a church where the pastor preached hate messages. A man who supports partial birth abortions......
Please excuse me while I vomit!
Isn't that what's known as 'blind faith'?
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Blind faith.....
In a way it is. I have faith that God is there for me. That doesn't mean things are sugar and honey all the time, because they're definitely not.
Jesus ask of to just have the faith of a mustard seed. He is asking us to have no more faith than that of the size of a mustard seed, which is meniscule, and you will be surprised where that will take you. You know, we are asked to ask questions of God, to seek him, and ask Him to prove Himself. What better way for God to show us his love than to ask Him to prove himself?
You might just see great things happen in your life.
Having respect for faith all around?
I do. Faith and religion, two different things. I respect everyone's right to pray. I just don't think it should be made into a political issue like it has been done on this board. If it was truly a prayer request, why wasn't it on the prayer request board and the faith board?
I too do not put much faith in polls.
Did these polls have John Kerry ahead at this time during the last election. They also showed the Nixon was ahead of Kennedy. We will find out when we find out. Just go vote for who you think is best and hope for the best.
Who put faith in what government?
Who put faith in what government? I for one put NO faith in Bush from day one....he was a disastrous governor in the Lone Star, and I knew by the time he got finished with America and Americans, that we would barely be able to recognize it. You are right. The shrub did inherit at least something he should have been able to work with, but evidently it was beneath his pay grade to pay attention to such things since he had wars to wage.
Obama wants to restore a little balance...another thing the shrub monkeyed around with...especially his notorious distain for judicial powers and addiction to executive privilege. We need to take out that generic "government" reference and replace it with republicans failed us. The more power they get, the more they will fail us. Voters get that now.
Why are you lying? Obama wants stricter gun controls. He cannot take your precious guns away from you without a constitutional amendment. Defend yourselves against what? You really are a paranoid bunch, aren't you? Uh, oh....your argument just fell apart. So I ask again, can anybody explain Reagan's rambling incoherence?
Oh ye of little faith. Go to the top of the page.
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Right. Why cant he have faith in the people rather
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THIS IS NOT THE FAITH BOARD.
This is the POLITICS BOARD.
And those of different faith are probably praying
Everyone, regardless of their personal religious beliefs, is worshipping the "true" God, the one that is "true and living" to them.
No religion is better or "truer" and more "living" than another.
Your creator is "true and living" to you. Someone else's creator might be just as "true and living" to them.
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