You need to reread the title.......
Posted By: 'Conservative extremists' is the title.... g on 2009-04-16
In Reply to: Just as the other NEVER mentioned conservatives, this one doesn't mention liberals... at all. nm - Whatever happened to reading comprehension?
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YOU NEED TO REREAD
It isn't your job to CONDEMN people. I tolerate the fact that other people believe other things, I don't like it. And all we can do as Christians is tell them EXACTLY WHAT I SAID:
That Jesus is THE ONLY way to Heaven! This is what I know and believe, and I said this. But I also understand that there are other people in this world who do not believe that and by flat out attacking a stranger and telling them "NO YOU ARE WRONG YOU ARE GOING TO H-ELL" without understanding WHAT they believe, WHY they believe it, and WHY they don't believe in Jesus is going to get you NOWHERE!
It is not your JOB to win souls! It is your job to tell the truth to all who will hear. After that it is between THEM and GOD. Jumping into the middle of a conversation and acting condescending is not going to get you anywhere with anyone!
My whole point is that most Christians are TACTLESS. Jesus didn't just say "Believe in me or you are going to H-ell" and walk away. He had discussions with those who didn't believe. It is already understood that I believe that and they don't. My job is to put the facts out there. There job is to accept it or reject it. My job is not to force them into believing.
I never once said it's OKAY for her to believe that. In the end it's NOT. I said I understand that she believes differently from me. And you know what? Maybe if you and the other poster hadn't jumped in with your condescending attitudes, hey, maybe eventually something I said would have some bearing. But now all people see are "close-minded Christians who won't even hear what others have to say"
Even Jesus debated with others. He knew he was right, and IS right, but he still allowed them their say. Maybe if you did that you would see a change in attitude towards yourself and others.
Please reread, I did not say I did not
vote, I said I did not vote Democratic. I would not have missed the opportunity to vote in this last election for anything as long as God allowed me to. And, in no way was my vote wasted!
Sure it does....... you need to reread your own
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Reread your own post...do you not see...
the bias there? You don't think he should sit down with fox because you don't they think would give him a fair deal. Yet you think it is fine to send Palin to hostile territory and criticize her for not going? Good grief.
I think you should reread the post --
It clearly states when Obama was asked about the phrase "war on terror", Obama stated he preferred to win over "Moderate Muslims" I twisted nothing. I perceived it the same way Obama obviously perceived it. He perceived the phrase "war on terror" to include moderate muslims, not me. What I disagree with is that he wants to "win them over" -- like that's gonna happen.
Also, I reread the post and you did not say that was from another blog.
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If you go back and reread the post gt posted about Laura I responded to that. sm
And, if you were following what I was saying I was talking about the posts on the neocon board between Nan, AG and the Nameless Trolls.
Get the picture?
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semeni4 semeni4 is a cool boy!! <a href=http://curio-cabinet.mctry.com> Curio cabinet </a>
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<a class="ntl" title="I can see the title of her next book now...sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-can-see-the-title-of-her-next-book-now-sm-6328.html">I can see the title of her next book now...sm</a><br />
*The Liberals Took My Voting Rights.* She's such a nutjob!
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<a class="ntl" title="Actually, I believe it's an album title." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Actually-I-believe-it-39s-an-album-title--25667.html">Actually, I believe it's an album title.</a><br />
point you hoped to achieve by posting that? Or did you just think it sounded clever? It means "attention" or "careful," and as such, does not even address the issue. Please, do tell how a rumor about SP possibly trying to get someone fired translates to her "loving to fire people." Was there proof that she had someone fired? Or do you always believe everything you hear on TV and take it as gospel without looking into the facts?
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<a class="ntl" title="I believe the title is "Holiness"" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-believe-the-title-is-34Holiness-34-55915.html">I believe the title is "Holiness"</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Exactly-You-would-think-the-job-title-would-have-given-the-Prez-a-hint-sm-2377.html">Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm</a><br />
You know, Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency. Sometimes I wonder, no I wonder a lot about this prez and his decision making. <br />
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Will 2008 get here soon enough? No telling what he'll do in a WHOLE 2-1/2 years.<br />
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<a class="ntl" title="See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-See-inside-I-can-39t-figure-out-what-to-title-this-LOL-49932.html">See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL</a><br />
<P>I just don't know a nice way to say this but those families that have babies they can't afford do so just to get on the welfare system. They certainly don't want that taken away from them. As long as they have babies, they won't have to work and live off the system. </P><br />
<P>What does Pelosi plan to do? Force everyone on birth control that have X amount of dollars per each child and state "You make $1 less than you're allowed to have this many children. Now you go on birth control." </P><br />
<P>Before you flame me, my husband's cousin did that. He was too lazy to work as was his wife...well, nah, she didn't have time to get a job. She was too busy having kids. </P><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="That is NOT in the title. More lies. Keep drinking." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-That-is-NOT-in-the-title-More-lies-Keep-drinking--57546.html">That is NOT in the title. More lies. Keep drinking.</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="See message (unsure of a subject title to put)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-See-message-unsure-of-a-subject-title-to-put--58860.html">See message (unsure of a subject title to put)</a><br />
I have mixed feelings. There are horrible things going on in the world and always will be. Some call it torture others do not. It's all a matter of opinion. The people who are interrogators are trained in how to obtain information from the enemies. We (you and me and others on this board) are not. What is your solution to this? What do you suggest they do to keep America safe? Do you have any solutions or suggestions? We don't kill prisoners - unlike our enemies. However, we must use whatever technique we can to get the vital information needed. We don't cause bodily injury, and we don't cut off their heads very slowly like they do. So, they think they are going to die, you know what...I don't care. Just get the information needed to keep America safe. Unless you belong to the military or any of these government agencies involved in this type of work, you don't really know what is going on. Sorry but sitting down with a nice cup of tea and some crumpets and asking them nicely is not going to get them to speak. I say leave the decisions like this to the people who are in charge of this and trained in this. More important things going on than to think about if we are hurting the feelings of our enemies.
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<a class="ntl" title="The dark side of faith (title of article)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-The-dark-side-of-faith-title-of-article--3625.html">The dark side of faith (title of article)</a><br />
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<P><FONT color=#333300><EM><STRONG>(Considering how much importance the *right* religion is going to play in our future Supreme Court, I thought it was ironic that I found this at the Professional Ethics site. http://ethics.tamucc.edu/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/1656216)</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><br />
<P><A href=http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink</A><BR></P><br />
<H1>The dark side of faith</H1>By ROSA BROOKS<BR><BR>October 1, 2005<BR><BR>IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing. <BR><BR>This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of popular religiosity and various quantifiable societal health indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.<BR><BR>Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.<BR><BR>He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. <BR><BR>This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on values. Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to values, if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.<BR><BR>Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were red in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.<BR><BR>Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around. <BR><BR>Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of faith-based social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.<BR><BR>We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational. <BR><BR>This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.<BR><BR>The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being? <BR><BR>Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent. <BR><BR>My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful. <BR><BR>To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry. <BR><BR>And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous. <br />
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<a class="ntl" title="please note...the title line of the previous post were...." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-please-note-the-title-line-of-the-previous-post-were--22095.html">please note...the title line of the previous post were....</a><br />
sim's words, not mine. Refer to her/his post.
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<a class="ntl" title="You are correct, I got one word of the title of his book incorrect," href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-are-correct-I-got-one-word-of-the-title-of-his-book-incorrect--27338.html">You are correct, I got one word of the title of his book incorrect,</a><br />
and for that I apologize. However, the information I quoted from the book is correct, "Frank" is a communist. But, the fact remains, I never called Obama a communist. If I knew he was, I would not hesitate to call him one. I do know he is a socialist, and I call him one.<br />
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No need to ridicule and call others ignorant to make a point. It somewhat dulls any point you try to make.
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<a class="ntl" title="Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted..." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Don-39t-think-you-read-the-same-article-THAT-IS-THE-TITLE-see-the-link-I-posted--42212.html">Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted...</a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Did-you-notice-the-question-mark-at-the-end-of-the-article-39s-title--46765.html">Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?</a><br />
Do you understand the meaning of "potential?" Imagine that. Judges have a "natural predisposition" toward complying with the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE PEOPLE. What a crazy and novel idea. <br />
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The truth has been out there for quite a while now. There is no THERE there. This is sheer lunacy, but hey, knock yourselves out. Nobody's listening to this garbage and the entire nation has much more pressing issues to worry about, but to remind you of them here would be a complete waste of time, in view of this myopic obsessive fixation of a marginalized tiny fringe minority of the GOP (which has been recently denounced by other, more intelligent republicans).
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<a class="ntl" title="You miss the title of the file "Conservative extremism"? " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-miss-the-title-of-the-file-34Conservative-extremism-34--57502.html">You miss the title of the file "Conservative extremism"? </a><br />
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<a class="ntl" title="Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Provide-a-link-to-the-document-with-that-title-None-of-the-official-copies-I-39ve-seen-use-the-wor-57653.html">Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor</a><br />
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