You know, I was being respectful. sm

• Dissension in the Ranks - Teddy
  • 60 minutes is hardly unbiased.... - Observer
    • Truth be told - abbe
    • Actually, they interviewed - Lurker
      • I think you might agree, though.... - Observer
        • There is an article on - Lurker
          • I looked at it....and I understand the feelings... - Observer
            • Timing? sm - Democrat
              • A time to dissect and discuss a war... - Observer
    • You are right, Observer. sm - Brunson
    • Gee, thought this was the lberal board. Guess not!! - Teddy
      • Once again, you did not read my post before ranting... - Observer
      • Teddy, you are not the board moderator. sm - Brunson
        • Yes - Teddy
          • Show me the post. Link please. sm - Brunson
            • Interesting - Teddy
              • I never said it was never done. sm - Brunson
  • The military leaders are threatening to resign sm - LVMT
  • In addition.... - Teddy
    • The posts on the conservative board were supported by videos. sm - Brunson
      • Can't make sense of your post. - Teddy
        • You know, I was being respectful. sm - Brunson
          • Comments - Teddy
            • I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm - Brunson
              • I seriously doubt that. - Teddy
                • I will finish your sentence. sm - Brunson
    • That is encouraging news..... - LVMT
      • Encouraging? How anyone could find any... - Observer
        • Because sm - Brunson

The messages you are viewing are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select the boards given in left menu

I agree that there hasn't been a single president willing to address the border issues.  But there also hasn't been a single president in American history to witness his country suffer an attack such as 9/11.  If there was ever a time to do everything possible to protect the American people, I believe it was after 9/11.  I believe Katrina showed everyone (including the terrorists) just how little we've done to coordinate local, state and federal emergency responses.  Bush beat 9/11 to death in his 2004 campaign.  In my opinion, he used it to scare people into voting for him, with the false promise that he was the only candidate who could protect us.

As far as Democratic spending, I couldn't agree with you more.  In fact, that's the whole point.  Democrats are the ones with the rep for out of control spending.  They, at least, acknowledged the need to help the less fortunate in our country.  Now we've got out of control spending, with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, more and more people without health insurance coverage, and probably many Americans unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.  At least the Democrats, albeit it to the chagrin of most Americans, raised taxes and gave us a sense that we were paying for all the spending they were doing.  I honestly don't know now who is paying for all this, and it scares me.  It further scares me that this president wants to completely revamp the Social Security system, a system I've been paying into for the past 36 years, and I don't trust his financial judgment -- not even a little bit.  He's publicly described who he believes his base to be (the haves and the have mores), and that group doesn't include me.  Most of my adult life was spent as a single mother.  (Even though she's grown with children of her own, I'm STILL a single mother because I try to help her, my son-in-law and grandchildren whenever they need me.) I haven't had the luxury of saving for retirement simply because I couldn't afford to.  I know that I will never retire.  I will be working one way or the other until the day I die.  The only thing I have to look forward to is a small Social Security check to supplement the part-time income I receive when I get too old to work full time.  I'm not asking for a handout.  I'm just asking for the government to keep its word regarding Social Security and not pull the rug out from under me.

I also didn't vote for Bush in 2000 because I believed in my heart we would find ourselves at war with Iraq if Bush was president, even though he promised that nation building was something he was against.  As you know, this was well before 9/11, and now he publicly admits he wants to spread freedom throughout the world -- whether the world actually wants the United States' (and/or Bush's)  particular brand of freedom or not.

In all fairness, I believe the Democratic party dropped the ball very badly in the last 8 years.  In 2000, I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone because I was so tired of voting for the least worst person.  I felt that if Gore and Bush were the best this country had to offer, we were in serious trouble.

I also think that Kerry was a terrible candidate to represent the Democratic party, although I did respect very much the fact that he had actually served in a war on foreign land and had firsthand experience in that area, which I believe is very important.

My favorite Democratic candidate was John Edwards.  He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  Everything he has, he worked very hard for.  This is a man who has firsthand knowledge of how to build something from nothing, another area of knowledge I don't believe Bush has clue one about.  Edwards was acutely aware there are two Americas, and that's never been more evident than it is now, after almost 5 years of bush.

I'm one of those people who found what Clinton did to be deplorable.  However, compared to Bush, Clinton was infinitely better.  Clinton definitely left office with the country in better shape than it will be when Bush leaves.

We used to have three basic socioeconomic groups in this country: rich, middle class and poor.  The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is starting to erode downward.  People who have median incomes are finding their effective net spendable income dwindling if they have to drive to and from their employment.  The only people to benefit from Bush are the rich.  It's a sad, sad situation when the State of Georgia takes it upon itself to close schools in order to conserve fuel, yet oil company profits continue to skyrocket.

I believe that war with Iraq is not only the single largest waste of money, resources, and especially American lives -- it's also putting America in much more danger.  This war has provided a wide open space for terrorists to train, and Bush gave them that training ground by invading Iraq and creating that training ground that didn't exist before.  We've completely destroyed their country, killed their people and wrecked their electricity and water.  I don't think it would be moral and ethical to just pull out of there immediately without fixing all the things that we broke.  By the same token, the longer we stay there, the more Americans we lose.  Saddam had been contained.  He was no real threat to us, and there was no legitimate reason in the world for us to invade Iraq in the bogus name of fighting the war on terror.  We have so very many things to do here at home to take care of our own, and we should have done that before even thinking of invading a country that wasn't a threat to us.  In 2001, we were told we're going in there to fight the war on terror. Now the reason is we want to spread freedom to the Iraqi people.  That's quite a leap and, to me, a person who feared in 2000 that Bush would attack Iraq, it's disingenuous, but most of all, it's not keeping us safe.

Hurricane season still has three months to go, and there's no reason to believe that more Americans won't lose their lives and/or homes.  We've got war zones all around us, whether it's an act of God or an act of Bush.  Whether it's the Gulf in Iraq or the Gulf in America, people are faced with losing electricity and water.  More urgently, they are faced with losing their lives and homes.  Somebody PLEASE tell me why it should be that Iraq is more important than America.  I don't believe America can afford to take care of both.  In my opinion, America must take priority. 

I'm sorry this was so long.  I guess I've been waiting for a long time to actually enter a debate with someone who is intelligent and thoughtful and, above all else, respectful to a different point of view.  Reading your post was a real pleasure.  Thank you.

cannot post in kind, DON'T POST.