You don't get the connection????? sm
Posted By: MT on 2005-07-20
In Reply to: I know history - gt
One of the MAIN reasons Hilter hated the Jews was because of communism. It was also one of the tools by which he fostered hatred for the Jews in the German people. You had better go to a library and read some real history books instead of getting your history from the Democratic Underground.
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Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
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I never SAID there was a connection...
But in a post 9/11 world, I'd rather get rid of that nut case before something happens. Bush never said there was a connection. It's called being proactive. Something you would call for had we had an attack that was traced to Saddam AFTER 9/11.
rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
Rational posts? Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything. Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this liberal board. So gt chased her/him away. On please! If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola! It is that easy! Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology! Viola! It is that easy! So, Im here all the time am I? Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board. Is this what your debating has gotten down to? Lets count and see who is here more often? How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican. **BIG HUG**
I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
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I'm not getting the connection here, can you elaborate......sm
Why would the rick paying their fair share of taxes, which they routinely legally avoid and refuse, make the country unlivable, and why would this cause chaos? I really want to understand. There are very, very weathy people nationwide who pay practically NOTHING in taxes, while you and I and most middle class have to work a full 1/3 of the year, aproximtely 3 months, to pay our tax burden. Is that fair, because we cannot afford the pricey attorneys and we do not have the same tax loopholes they have???? And yet this issue has continuously been turned away from, because most politicians are truly afraid of killing their sacred cows. This country will never survive with that mentality.
Obama's Muslim Connection
OBAMA'S MUSLIM CONNECTION
By Jon Christian Ryter
January 16, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
In 1991 a young Muslim Harvard Law College graduate named Barack Hussein Obama (who has denied his Islamic past and Muslim roots for as long as he has been a public figure) became a civil rights community activist working out of the Trinity United Church of Christ. Obama worked as a community organizer for Trinity in poor black neighborhoods. Trinity's senior pastor Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr, a black racist, who preached radical Afrocentric theology and didn't mind delivering profanity-spiked sermons found a congregation-builder in Obama. Because of what Wright called Obama's multiple-faith background and his Harvard education, he was a natural community-builder.
When Obama broke onto the national political scene in 2004, not only did he attempt to erase all traces his Islamic childhood, but he also tried to erase the nature of his relationship with Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr, the pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ. (When your country is at war with Islamic extremists being a Muslim is not the shortest route to the White House.) Obama has told the media his reason for shielding his pastor was because "...he respected Mr. Wright's work for the poor and his fight against injustice." In reality Dr. Wright's work was to denounce the United States as a white racist nation. That's not good press for an African American candidate who needs to win a majority of the white vote to win the office of President.
It would have been not only natural, but expected, for Barack Obama—when he decided to run for the presidency—to make the announcement from the pulpit of the 8,500 member Trinity United Church of Christ. Obama would later state he did not in order to shield his pastor from the spotlight of the media. Dr. Wright has never shunned positive publicity. It was obvious to the media—in particular the New York Times which noted in an April 20, 2007 article that Obama was very deliberately distancing himself from Jeremiah Wright. Instead, Obama announced his candidacy on the steps of the old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois—where Abraham Lincoln announced his candidacy—on Feb. 10, 2007. Obama sees himself as an archtype of Lincoln who will "free his people from the tyranny of the oppressor." What people are those? The inner city people of color whom Dr. Wright believes are part of the Black Value System? Or does he see himself as the man who will free the Muslim world from the Great Satan since his first action, he says, as President of the United States will be to pull all Americans troops out of the Middle East? The voters need to figure out exactly who Barack Obama's constituents really are because when I add 2 + 2 + Obama, it doesn't come out four.
When Obama's early history and his Islamic upbringing was first reported, Obama's website posted a statement dated Nov. 12, 2007 with the headline: "Barack Obama is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim." The statement reiterated that Obama was not a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.
On Dec. 22 at the Smoky Row Coffee Shop in Oskaloosa, Iowa, the locals asked Obama about his Muslim roots. He said: "My father was from Kenya. A lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is, he wasn't very religious." That was a lie. Obama's father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama's upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. "My mother was a Christian from Kansas." That was also a lie. Obama's mother, his material grandmother and grandfather were all atheists. "They married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam...For a while I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school—but I didn't practice Islam." Another lie. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama's mother moved to Indonesia—before she married her second Muslim husband—she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as a Muslim because he was a Muslim. The enrollment form required each student to choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when enrolling: Buddhist, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, or Protestant. Had he been a lifelong Christian, or even a recent convert, he—or his mother—would have circled Protestant.
When confronted with this information, Obama said he couldn't understand how such an error could have happened. Los Angeles Times reporter Paul Watson, who dug into Obama's allegation of error, said "...his former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade school teacher as childhood friends, says Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended. The registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion classes. The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." (Something else Obama claims he never did.) "...Obama's younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only 'for big communal events' not every Friday." Obama, who belongs to a church that teaches that the Muslims of the world were wronged by both Israel and the United States, cannot afford to be labeled as a "Muslim" by voters who expect the United States to win the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where their sons and daughters are being killed by Muslims.
Jim Wallis, a Christian antipoverty community activist and a friend of Obama's said Obama comes from a very secular, skeptical family. His faith is a personal and adult choice. His material grandparents—who were professing atheists—had previously been Baptist and Methodist. His mother's tutelage leaned towards Islam only because her new husband was an ardent Muslim—and he demanded it.
She was not, however, the docile Muslim housewife most Muslim men expected. Obama's half-sister Maya admitted that her "...whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." Because religion of any type rubbed his mother the wrong way, when he was 10, Obama's mother sent her son back to Hawaii to live with her parents.
In 2005 Obama met his paternal step-grandmoher (whom he calls his grandmother). Sarah Hussein Obama, 85, who lives in Kenya. She told the New York Times that she is "...a strong believer of Islamic faith," adding that she still rises at 5 a.m. to pray for an hour before tending to her crops and the three orphans she has taken in.
A camera which caught Obama on the political stage during a fund raiser for Sen. Tom Harkin in Iowa with presidential candidates Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton shows his lack of respect to this nation during the singing of the National Anthem. Angered that the photo was released (and because the reporter erroneously stated the photo was taken during the Pledge of Allegiance rather than the singing of the national anthem, Obama said: "This is the classic dirty trick. This was not the Pledge of Allegiance. The woman was singing the Star Spangled Banner."
As a sign of respect to their nation, many Americans place their hand over their heart when the National Anthem is played as well as when they recite the Pledge. In his case, Obama said "...I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hands over your heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. The Star Spangled Banner, you sing." Only, when you look at the photo, its very clear that neither Obama nor the others on stage are singing. It was, however, the singing of the national anthem.
All the time he was around either his father or stepfather, Obama was either in Hawaii or Indonesia. Thus, neither his paternal grandfather nor the father of his stepfather would have tutored him on placing his hand over his heart during the US Pledge of Allegiance, nor the singing the American Star Spangled Banner. Rest assured that Indonesian homes don't recite the Pledge or sing the US national anthem. And while Hawaii had been a State for three years before Obama was born, logic suggests its not likely an atheist mother and an Islamic father would teach him to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or sing the Star Spangled Banner.
In his teen years Obama moved back to Honolulu where he lived with his maternal grandparents. In his rebuttal, you will recall, Obama claimed his grandfather had taught him to place his hand over his heart during the Pledge, and to sing the national anthem. History has a problem with that on both sides of the family. Like his mother who was an atheist, so were her parents. Obama's grandmother, he said in interviews, "...was too rational and too stubborn to accept anything she couldn't see, feel, touch or count." His maternal grandfather was also an atheist who "...had an innate rebelliousness and a complete inability to discipline his appetites...who...experimented with marijuana and cocaine." An atheist is not going to teach his grandson to respect the Pledge of Allegiance which pays homage to God.
In August, 2006 US Senator Barack Obama [D-IL] made a special trip to visit a special man in Kenya. The man's name was Raila Amolo Odinga. He is the head of the National Muslim Leaders Forum [NAMLEF] in Kenya. The political party he heads is called the Orange Democratic Movement [ODM]—although there is definitely nothing democratic about his political party of NAMLEF. The ODM is dedicated to overthrowing the legitimate democratic government of Kenya. Odinga is not really concerned how he achieves his objective. It matters little to him if he assumes power through a free election—or by revolution. But, by hook or crook, he is determined to become the president of Kenya. If he succeeds, he will be president for life and Kenya will become another Afghanistan.
When the US Senator visited Kenya to meet with Odinga in Nairobi, the Kenyan government officially denounced the visit. And, most specifically, they denounced Obama. According to a Kenyan government spokesman, Obama's bias for his friend was so blatant that the government found it necessary to complain that Obama appeared to be Odinga's stooge. Not only did Obama campaign for his Islamic friend, he convinced former Clinton adviser Dick Morris to become Odinga's campaign adviser.
Odinga bothers the US State Department for a couple of reasons. First, after losing the democratic election on December 27, Raila Odinga cut a deal for support from Vladimir Putin and the former Soviet Union. Odinga knows he has to overthrow the government to gain power. When he lost the election, he protested that the vote was rigged to keep him from claiming an election he won. He incited his tribal followers to go on a murderous rampage in towns that were primarily Christian. Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people were murdered. What shocked the west is that the Kenyan media—and the political power brokers within the country—out of fear of Odinga, appear to be suggesting that perhaps the election should be held over to stop the violence and the potential for long term Muslim terrorism.
In a wave of violence aimed at protesting what they call the illegal election of newly-elected Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, a group of Christian women and children—some entire families—barricaded themselves in a church. Muslims, inflamed by Odinga's men, torched the church and burned to death everyone inside. This is the man Obama campaigned for in Kenya, and sang the praises of. This is also the man who claims that Barack Obama is a close, personal friend. Christianity would be outlawed.
There would be a complete ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages and a ban on western-style dress for women since this type of garb is considered immoral and an offense to the Muslim faith. Raila Obinga, it seems, would impose the same type of Shariah law that was imposed on Afghanistan by the Taliban. Odinga would degree that no Muslim living in Kenya—whether a citizen, visitor or relative of a citizen of Kenya (such as Obama, whose grandmother is a citizen of Kenya)‚shall be subject to any legal process involving the laws of a foreign country and in particular any Muslim arrested for, or suspected of, terrorism, or of any other international crimes shall only be tried inside the borders of Kenya and shall be granted a competent lawyer of his or her choice at the expense of the government.
The American people need to be asking Barack Obama a whole different list of questions when they attend his political rallies on his quest to become the leader of the free world. They need to ask the man who he really is because, up to this point on the campaign trail, he has lied to them. The American people need to find an honest candidate. Barack Obama is not that man.
Obama's Muslim Connection
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
connection with Pickens & Pelosi
Check it out for yourself. They both stand to make even more $ than they already do. It's all about power and an even larger ego than they already have.
i don't really care about his o connection or lack of
dig it. they killed those pigs. - he and his wife are jerks
That's what I read but I'm not making the connection
I did see that episode of Seinfeld (it was hilarious), but when you said that I thought it was a real thing but all the research brought me to the info you wrote above, and I can't understand how that has anything to do with this lady being arrested for drug charges.
I do think the situation is very sad. No matter how much the Palin-haters find glee in this, I just think it's sad. If Michelle's mother was caught up in drug charges I would think that's horrible too. I don't find anything gleeful about this as the original poster does. It's horrible for one thing that a young girl is about to have a baby, but now she has to deal with her future MIL in this situation. That has got to be hard for anyone whether you hate them or not. I just feel bad for them and hope everything works out for the best.
I don't understand the connection between ACORN voter ..sm
registration and affordable housing.
Can't be too bad...you can afford a good Internet connection. sm
I have my doubts as to whether all your meals are hot dogs and mac and cheese, but I could be wrong....
....and there is work out there. You don't have to just sit there and let it dry up. And don't blame the 8 yrs of republicans. The last two years of democratic ruled Congress has been worse than the previous six before that.
You think you have it bad now.
Just wait till dems are in control of everything.
You'll have less than nothing, and have to give it away to others less unfortunate than yourself. However are you going to be able to afford that?
You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
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I understand that Obama's connection to an anarchist does not concern you and is not an issue for
it is for some people. Not that alone, but black liberation theology, the Daley political machine in Chicago...yada yada yada...do concern some of us.
I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
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you dont even know me
Talk about generalizing. LOL. You dont know these posters, for pete sake. Most of us are extremists? Give me a break. What are you a radical neocon snooping on the liberal board trying to start trouble? Only someone wanting to start would make a statement like that.
Dont lie, that is all
What are you even posting about? A conservative got caught in a lie, which is not so uncommon..the lie was proven..PERIOD..Nothing more than that..I guess the lesson is, DONT LIE cause in this day and age, with print, email, bulletin boards, tapes, voice mail, you name it, you will be caught and then your credibility will be questioned.
so are u saying that you dont sin?
Wow, you are like the only perfect person in the whole world!
Dont believe God had anything to do with it.
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LOL! Dont you know? EVERYTHING is
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dont you have any
family or friends that you might think about for a while. The victors of the election hold no truck with you.
I dont see it that way, but then again, I am not
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I dont agree
I dont agree with the Supreme Idiot Court's decision on eminent domain, not at all..Such a wrong decision..However, I do feel when it comes to an adult woman, the decision over her body is hers and let her stand in judgment with her maker if the decision was wrong..I dont think a child has the right to an abortion without a parents consent, as painful as it will be to the child. I hope they do take the Supreme Court Justices property away and build a darn hotel..we need to fight back, now, as our rights are being slowly taken away.
A christian, hun?? I dont think so
Robertson calls for assassination of Chavez
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you dont know what you are talking about
A xtian republican understanding jewish situations? Oh please! When it comes to jews, you do not know what you are talking about.
Dont comment, please
A Xtian, if he/she does not want to look like a fool, should not comment on Israel.
dont blame me
Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board. I would never do that, LOL. I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less. Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task. That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all. If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers. They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I. You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy? No. Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes. That is something our govt has to do. Who is at fault. Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
dont preach
Oh please, we also do not give sermons to other Americans how to act in a tragedy. I blame whomever is at the helm of the ship when tragedy strikes. I blame this administration for cuts in the federal money sent to states..I blame Bush for not knowing what the heck he is doing with this tragedy. Even officials of FEMA are speaking out about no aid coming New Orleans way, too little too late and thankfully the people will remember this next November when we vote. Please, do not try to tell others what we should and should not do. The disaster could have been averted, if they had the money to reinforce the levees..but no, that money had to go to Iraq so we could kill more people..Have you helped the victims yet? Well, I have..sniff..sniff..I smell a usual conservative poster to the liberal board using a different handle right now..is that you??
Dont let the door hit ya on the way out!
Well, sweetie pie, if this liberal posting on a liberal board is bothering you..why dont you just mosey on back to the conservative board and then I wont be disturbing you? No one is forcing you to come over here. The disturbing thing, however, is that I fight back and debate and will not let the neocon gang of three bully me. Maybe it bothers you that you have met your match and that quite a few liberals are standing up to your nonsense..Getting to ya, huh? Goooooooood..
I dont know who are you to insult
you. I certainly do not know your husband. I did not read your post, if you are referring to one, so if you take particular posts on a board as aimed solely at you, that is not my problem, but yours.
Yes! -and dont like to be mean, really, but "Barney"
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But YOU sure do, dont'cha?
gourdpainter? You dont think you are just as
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dont fool yourself
I am a Christian also and always first. I have been a Christian all of my life. My father is a Baptist preacher. I believe in Jesus and try to live my life for him. Dont kid yourself that John McCain and Sarah Palin are moral. There is not one, not one politician who is moral. None of them run the country with God's plan in mind. If they did, our world would not be like it is. Obama is not saying that he agrees that abortion is okay because he passes a vote for it. He is saying that a woman has the right to choose it for herself. Would he choose abortion for his wife, NO. But he doesnt feel that he should take the choice of free will from someone else. God gave us free will to sin or not to sin. We have the free will that God granted us to choose, choose Jesus, not choose Jesus. We each, individually will be held accountable for our choices. Why is giving someone a choice in a matter wrong? It is what that person chooses that is right or wrong and they are the ones that have to answer for it.
Once again Mrs M, you have it SO wrong and dont
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dont try 2 explain it to her... she cant get it
she keeps stating she is basing her reply off of the OP. She doesnt understand how the board works and which post is the original. That is why she is so confused and doesnt make sense to anyone. I tried to explain it but she is to hateful to get it. Just let it go, its not worth it.
sorry dont agree
you say this as Exxon Mobile has record profits just for this quarter. Those record profits are made off of the backs of the working class, charging us over 4.00 for one gallon of gas. I think they should pay more taxes, have less tax breaks or whatever it takes to help out the middle man. I am spending a fortune in gas as inflation goes up but my paycheck stays the same. My dollar is stretched beyond what a dollar is worth. Meanwhile, they are stuffing their pockets with my money. It makes me sick.
You believe Obama. Okay, well I dont.
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but i dont even bite!
i promise
Sorry... "should go to those". We dont need another
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YOU DONT KNOW THIS!. Debate going on ..they
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and I dont' find that bad-
President-Elect Obama moved into the house on the day it is customary for the President-Elect to move into the Blair house. It was already booked for functions well in advance and I think it would have been tacky for them to cancel the advance reservations.
the thing I dont get...
is WHY... He's just the friggen president. and if they say it's not about race, THEN WHAT IS IT? I get that he has millions of supporters, that is not unusual at all... but the mere fact of the substance of how they support him is weird...
but I guess it's like me wearing my favorite bands t-shirt right? Or maybe a Sports team that i like? uh huh... celebrity status...
the thing I dont get...
is WHY... He's just the friggen president. and if they say it's not about race, THEN WHAT IS IT? I get that he has millions of supporters, that is not unusual at all... but the mere fact of the substance of how they support him is weird...
but I guess it's like me wearing my favorite bands t-shirt right? Or maybe a Sports team that i like? uh huh... celebrity status...
The statistics lie then? Dont think so. They are
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I dont think she is judging her on her looks alone
And you cant post pics on the politics board...
no, i dont, that's why i asked
is it relating to the posts below?
because those were about someone's personality, not the way they looked.
Why are you trying to argue? all i asked was a question, if the OP wants to answer, that's fine, answer and we can have a discussion
Well, I sure to object to it. But, dont think anyone
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i dont believe those polls
How do u know those polls, any of them can be trusted? You don't.
again, I really dont believe ANY of those polls.
It's kinda like how they were saying our economy is fine but we all could feel that it wasn't.
Dont you know? Under Obamamania, we are not
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