You could find out you have cancer and need
Posted By: treatment now, but with National Health Care on 2008-11-21
In Reply to: A ? for those in favor of national healthcare - sm
you might have to wait 6-12 months and could die by then.
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72 yrs old and 2-time cancer survivor.
Before you go off, this is NOT wishful thinking, just simple fact. The only thing scarier than a McCain presidency would be a Palin presidency.
He has skin cancer, she has a tanning bed . . . nm
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cancer and national health
It's these sort of false concerns -- LOOK OUT, SIX TO TWELVE MONTH WAITS AND BY THEN YOU'RE DEAD! DEAD!!!! -- that impede progress toward a fair healthcare system. They're repetition of talking points, nothing more. A ten-second internet search would tell you, for instance, that in the UK:
-Over 99% of people with suspected cancer are now seen by a specialist within two
weeks of being urgently referred by their GP.
-Over 99% of patients with cancer are receiving their first treatment within one
month of diagnosis.
-Over 96% of patients with cancer are receiving their first treatment within two
months of being urgently referred by their GP.
Now I'll leave it to you and Google to find the comparable numbers for the US.
The larger point is, though, that if you decide this nation doesn't need universal healthcare, then you need to say exactly who it is you don't want care provided to. Because that's all this ever comes down to: Who do you include, and who do you leave out?
Bravo to them. Lots of cancer in my family.
Great article. Thanks for posting it! I applaud them. Obviously early detection is key, and it makes sense that many people without insurance are not getting regular screenings done.
American Cancer Society focuses its ads on the uninsured
Has anyone seen the ads yet?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/31/us/31cancer.html
Good Article. The American Cancer Society sm
is also advocating national health care as are a lot of medical organizations. They see the problems with the current system every day and know things cannot continue as they are.
And neither does John McCain. He is cancer free - see link.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/113705
And at least he isn't at risk for lung cancer like Mr. Obama who smokes like a chimney. That is more worrisome to me.
Yes, McCain has made mistakes in what he has said. So has Obama. But at least McCain doesn't associate with radicals and hasn't had communist mentors, and on and on and on.
I'm glad we don't have to worry then because he is cancer free and has been for several years
I thought I posted the link but I guess I must have forgotten to.
I'm more worried about Obama's chain smoking and the potential for lung cancer. My mom had lung cancer and it was horrible. It eventually went to her brain. Horrible horrible way to die.
Anyway...sorry I forgot to post the link before. Here it is.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/113705
It's called a skin graft, if that, indeed, was where there was cancer removed....sm
My aunt had a cancer (don't remember the kind), the size of a grapefruit removed from her cheek, and the skin graft always stuck out after that.
True. Sure hope he does not get lung cancer while in office.nm
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Or how about leaving your wife who is sick and dying of cancer to run for President
There! Don't sling mud unless your prepared to get it back in the face.
Palin has a loving and caring family that is backing her and taking care of things - and I doubt very much she is "leaving" her baby. Sheesh! Your trying to make it sound like she's dropping her child off on a cold street corner with nobody to take care of them. If your going to go there then you might as well say and what father would leave his 2 young children to run for President.
Ovarian cancer. McCain's father died of a heart attach...sm
around 70 I think. FYI, Obama quit.
find out. I find sam's posts to the point
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I couldn't find that one but I did find this
S.Amdt.4170: To protect families, family farms and small businessees by extending the income tax rate structure, raising the death tax exemption to $5 million and reducing the maximum death tax rate to no more than 35%; to keep education affordable extending the college tuition deduction; and to protect senior citizens from higher taxes on their retirement income, maintain U.S. financial market competitiveness, and promote economic growth by extending the lower tax rates on dividents and capital gains.
NAY: Biden and Obama YEA: McCalin
I.E., this is in the voting record in the public records. There are not too many voting records there for the O since he started his campaign and most of those he voted NAY or say Not Voting.
Well, then, please find me one that you find to be racist.
Find it yourself...
I used to answer all of these posts requiring that I go back and find the names and dates and places of anything that I posted to prove what I was saying. What usually happened was that it would still be discounted for some reason or another as biased, meaningless or just untrue so I have stopped reresearching for the nonbelievers. I read papers. I watch news shows. I watch senate proceedings. David Gergen, Ed Gillespie, William Buckley, Susan Collins, Peter King, Bill Bennett are a few off the top of my head but if you need proof, you do the legwork. I assure you it is out there. C-SPAN is a good source. You can see and hear them in action.
You know what I find to be
OFF-THE-WALL mindboggling about the king's apologists/cultists is that they shriek about illegal immigration with *They're breaking the LAW!*....hmmm, so they don't hold their king to the standard they expect from noncitizens of this country? It's hard work drinking all that Kool-Aid!
Meanwhile, Cheney claims he hasn't seen the senate report re: no connection between Osama and Saddam, and Rice insists there WERE ties and it was all Tenet's fault. HUH?! So now I'm wondering, does this mean Tenet has to return his medal of freedom? After all, it's not like he said he was pressured to manufacture the intelligence to suit Bush and Co.
Took me a while to find this....
And Clinton is a serial rapist. So what is your point? sm
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Posted By: Brunson on 2006-05-03,
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Everyone knows that Hitchens is an alcoholic. You are adding nothing to this conversation. Act like an adult or leave.
I cannot find it
but I have also seen a picture where Obama is standing on a platform with other people who are pledging allegiance to our beautiful flag with their hand over their hearts, and Obama is just standing there. This is the picture that really made me wonder what this guy is made of, where he is coming from, and where he wants to take us!
I find it odd.....
I find it odd that people won't follow the constitution written about 200 years ago by our founding fathers (people we know what they looked like). They say it's old and archaic and has no place in today's world - times have changed.
Yet...they will follow the bible word for word that was written around 1500 to 400 BC. - which by the way was written by men keeping in the parts they wanted to and not putting in other parts they didn't want to.
Where is the sanity?
why can't they find them?
They have to put the info into a computer somewhere? Why can't it just tell them that it is invalid - my local office was able to tell me within 24 hours that I was okay to vote this year.
Where did you find this?
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Once again, you only want to find something to
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Won't be able to find you and your ilk. You;ll be
living under the same rock you crawled out from under. Bye-Bye, sad Brad.
If you can't find them...well (sm)
you obviously have a problem already. Sources I've used include a direct link to the US Senate, factcheck.org (an organization that even Fox uses), going to bills/legistation directly....etc.
We can find these all day...
long, but until you actually look at McCain's voting record, posts like this (including the one below) are nothing but opinion.
http://vetsforobama.org/
The ones I find concerning:
AIDE TO IRAN'S AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENEI, ALI AGHAMOHAMMADI
"The president-elect has promised changes in policies. There is a capacity for the improvement of ties between America and Iran if Obama pursues his campaign promises, including not confronting other countries as Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and also concentrating on America's state matters and removing the American people's concerns."
In other words, sit down with us with no preconditions and let's powwow.
RUSSIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER GRIGORY KARASIN
"The news we are receiving on the results of the American presidential election shows that everyone has the right to hope for a freshening of US approaches to all the most complex issues, including foreign policy and therefore relations with the Russian Federation as well."
In other words, come into my parlor said the spider to the fly...
The rest kind of backs up his citizen of the world mantra. Will wait and watch for how that plays out.
The one I find amusing:
SUDANESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN ALI AL-SADIG
"We don't expect any change through our previous experience with the Democrats. When it comes to foreign policy there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats."
LOL
They won't find it. LOL (nm)
I always find that the most
vociferous against religion are the ones who are so afraid there is a God that when their time comes and their life is judged, they know what's coming, and feel guilty for the life they are leading.
I don't want to find out what comes after
trillion but if our government continues to spend the money, I fear we may find out the hard way. All I've heard about is how Bush doubled our deficit in 8 years. Well, Obama has been in office not even a full month and wants to add 1 trillion dollars to it....although he continues to say 800 billion in his charismatic speeches. I'm also so tired of the blame game. Obama himself made sure in his speech last night at the democratic retreat (which, BTW, taxpayers helped pay for, thanks O) to mention that government is a group of people throwing out ideas and it isn't one person dictating everything. Yet he continues to blame one person, Bush, for our crisis. This crisis has been a long time coming people and started before Bush, although he didn't help either. I blame government as a whole and I intend to hold both dems and pubs feet to the fire and since the dems are currently in control......they are most definitely getting more criticism from me because they are in charge at this point. Doesn't mean I'm not keeping an eye on the pubs too cuz Lord knows there are crooks in both parties.
Find it For Yourself
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what I did find out
Each province administers their own so perhaps what I said in jest is actually true. Montreal has figured out something Ontario has not. It seems some provinces have got this down pat, no long waits, no refusal of particular cares, etc., etc., etc., and their residents are extremely satisfied. Costs are quite low, can be as low as $98 per month for a family of four, which covers basically everything except prescriptions. Not to worry, however, as prescription costs are much lower in Canada. Plus most employers cover the full cost for their employees (not the prescriptions but the insurance). All the things we hear of as awful are just not true - in some provinces. However, in other provinces they are true - long waits, no care, etc., etc., etc. If we could but have the good parts of their plan!
Does anyone else find it
interesting that Obama ridiculed McCann for taxing healthcare benefits during his campaign and yet that is now something on the table Obama is considering to help fund his healthcare reform. Funny how something that was once ridiculous to him is now something okay to do and how dare we question him.
Once again.....why aren't democrats holding Obama's feet to the fire here? Lie after lie and broken promise after broken promise. If anyone from any other party flip flopped and lied like this....you guys would crucify him/her. What gives?
Okay, now that I know where to find it...
has anyone read this crap? I'm about 100 pages in and none of it sounds good yet.
Have I just not gone far enough to get to the good part?
Where did gt do that? Show me please because I can't find it.
I find it hard to believe you don't see it.
Couldn't find it.
All I could find on that board was complaining and whining about liberals and how they're all terrible and godless, etc., etc. 'Nuff said. 
I I find it difficult to take anything that ..
O'Reilly says to heart. His demeanor is the true definition of a blowhard bully. I tend to tune out when people are screaming at me or really dishing out the hate stuff. Having said that, I do not believe that the Marine thing is about **good** or **bad** apples. War is an unnatural state. War without end is even worse. I don't know any details - none of us do - but in a setting where soldiers are deployed and redeployed and redeployed over and over in a hostile tribal environment where they do not know who is friend or foe, this tragedy does not come as a surprise. I certainly don't condone this, no one would, but I understand how it could happen and I believe that if it did happen that those involved are not necessarily **bad apples.** Everyone keeps saying that 99.9% of the military are exemplary soldiers. I am not so sure that those involved are not as well. Gross mismanagement of the troops, a complete lack of understanding of the tribal nature of Iraq, in other words, a failure from the Pentagon on down would be the culprit in my opinion. These are the people who should be held accountable but that, of course, will not happen. A few very low-on-the-totem-pole soldiers will be the scapegoats in this and generals and civil service Pentagon folks will just walk away. I am still waiting for the dogs from Abu Ghraib to be indicted. That is just about how inept and ridiculous the management of the war has been. As far as Murtha goes...I believe he truly believes what he says and is extremely concerned about the troops themselves, the real people fighting on the real ground in real Iraq. I think he speaks from his heart and could care less about payback or whatever. I think that he is frustrated and angry and feeling helpless as many of us are over a situation that has good outcome possible.
Where did you find this story? sm
I can't find anything anywhere on this. Thank you!
If they can find the right spin they will..sm
But they have to be careful how the approach active duty soldiers you know. Especially since they have spent the last 3 years saying liberals were not supporting the troops.
Encouraging? How anyone could find any...
of this encouraging...sigh.
I just find it amusing .....
that the same kind of journalism, as long as it puts forward liberal junk as opposed to conservative junk, the site is fine. As I explained in a later post, I do not read Front Page and did not "check it out" to see which way it leaned, as I already knew the facts. That was the first site I saw who printed the facts. I posted from there because it covered the topic of the thread. When Taiga complained, I went and copied the same thing from Common Dreams, an extremely liberal page. My point is, if something is factual, it does not matter which side of the political fence prints it. Some of you are just so fast to pile on because of the site something comes from, without even bothering to check the facts before assuming if it is on a "conservative" site it has to be a lie. What is up with that anyway?
Help me find what you refer to...
I am trying to figure you what you meant by Beyond Belief. I went to the website and searched under Berlin speech but nothing came up. I am interested to know what you are trying to say. What did you read that gave you this reaction?
You don't find it the least bit distasteful....
that they are making a 68 million dollar profit killing babies? Well of course not...what am I thinking. If slicing and dicing babies, sucking their brains out with needles, and if that doesn't work, just put them in the dirty laundry room until they go ahead and die, little annoyances that they are...why should you care if there is a $68 million dollar profit involved?? Sheesh.
You are about to find out, in the above post
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Where does one find the rules? There have been...
many posts that were quite lengthy. Is there a limit on length or just cut and paste?
I really find it hard to believe
the Clintons when I know deep down they don't want him for prez either. How can you endorse someone when you tried so hard to put them down and show they weren't right for the job in the first place?
Because I find it offensive
I see the sam squad btch and complain when weary posters seek to ban her from the board when she is outnumbered, rally to her defense and smugly proclaim themselves conquering heroes and then turn right around and behave the same way toward the left-side version of sam. Of course, this is entirely predictable when considering that hypocrisy is inbred amongst the pubs. It is that genetic trait that I feel compelled to point out because it has much larger political implications relative to the broader issues that pubs spend so much time avoiding. In case you missed it the first time around, let me point out that this is not a whine, but rather an observation and criticism of hypocrisy and double standard that the pubs seek to promote as legitimate campaign rhetoric (NOT). It is that legitimate campaign rhetoric to which I now turn my attention.
I can't find anything on the $50K fundraiser....
could you provide a link? Thanks!
I will see if I can find the article....according...
to the article the jobs were the same.
I can't find it either....this morning....sm
I saw a .pdf file and when I clicked on it for the new bailout plan as worked out by the Senate, nothing came up on my screen. It was blanked out. Now it isn't there, so it may still be evolving, I dunno.
What I did hear on one of the money talk shows this morning , is that the bill is now up to something ridiculous like 450 pages long. I cringe if I try to wonder what all it does and does not contain.
However, one bright spot in this bill is that it sounds like they are going to get rid of the mark to market rule (dunno if it's going to be temporary or permanent). But from what I understand, that little thing alone, getting rid of the "mark to market" will free up money for all banks to want to begin the lending process again. This is a very, very good thing.
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