You cannot convert these people
Posted By: me on 2008-09-20
In Reply to: Did you ever think that... - Proud of Obama
What are you talking about that he could possibly convert them into friends of the US?????? Even the best experts would never say this.
These are people whose religious ideologies are extreme. I'm not talking about different (like ours) - I'm talking about extreme (cutting off heads), ripping off womens fingernails if they are caught wearing nail polish, beating women if their hair is uncovered in public, stoning members of their own family, turning people into their government. Have you ever read about what happens to young girls of their culture if they don't vaginally bleed on their wedding night? They are called whores and either beaten or stoned?. Have you read what happens if you marry someone not of their faith? Have you read what happens to people who convert from Islam to Christianity? The radicals (not all just some) want to convert us to Islam. My understanding is the regular people are not like this, it's the ones in charge. These people are not going to convert into our friends.
Helloooooo out there. This is planet earth calling. You can come back now. :-)
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SINCE WHEN DOES THE KORAN FORCE PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO ISLAM?..
Are you still living in the stone ages?
So Jews go to heaven or must they convert to your religion first?
Just curious.
Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000
· Evangelical groups and Israel on brink of deal
· Some Israelis fear motives of US Christian right Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
Wednesday January 4, 2006
Guardian The Israeli government is planning to give up a large slice of land to American Christian evangelicals to build a biblical theme park by the Sea of Galilee where Jesus is said to have walked on water and fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish.
A consortium of Christian groups, led by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, is in negotiation with the Israeli ministry of tourism and a deal is expected in the coming months. The project is expected to bring up to 1 million extra tourists a year but an undeclared benefit will be the cementing of a political alliance between the Israeli rightwing and the American Christian right.
However, the alliance has not been welcomed by all Israelis, including some who fear the ultimate aim of the evangelicals is the conversion of the Jews to Christianity rather than support for Israel.
Jonathan Pulik, a spokesman for the Israeli ministry of tourism, said the Christian market was very important for Israel's tourism industry. We would like to give them more of a reason to come here. We would be willing to lease the land to them free of charge and they would finance the construction.
The site of the centre, covering nearly 50 hectares (125 acres) and provisionally called the Galilee World Heritage Park, would be north-east of the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. It would feature a garden and nature park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.
The ministry of tourism estimates the total cost would be $48m (£28m). Mr Pulik also pointed out that the project would bring large numbers of jobs to the area. Mr Robertson said in a statement that he was fully cooperating with the project but no deal had been formalised. He said he was thrilled that there will be a place in the Galilee where evangelical Christians from all over the world can come to celebrate the actual place where Jesus Christ lived and taught.
The Sea of Galilee is more reminiscent of the Scottish Highlands than the Middle East, particularly in winter and spring when the hills are green. The existing Christian sites are picturesque and understated oases of calm and there is even a Church of Scotland hotel and church in Tiberias, the main town in the area.
A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.
Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.
The American Christian right, best known for television evangelism and its stars such as Mr Robertson and Jerry Falwell, has been among the strongest supporters of Israel in the US.
The primary reason is that according to the Old Testament, Israel was given to the Jews by God. Fundamentalist Christians believe that in order for Jesus to return, two preconditions are Jewish control of the land of Israel and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.
Yossi Sarid, a former government minister and member of the Knesset, said he was wary of the friendship of the American Christian right and projects such as the Galilee centre. He said: I am not enthusiastic about this cooperation because I have no desire to be cannon fodder for the evangelists.
As a Jew, they believe I have to vanish before Jesus can make his second appearance. As I have no plans to convert, as an Israeli and a Jew, I find this a provocation. There is something sinister about their embrace.
Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc. Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be. Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed? You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing. In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.
Bored people are BORING people.
nm
Is that how your people justify killing people?
So then you only like to where people who say what you believe have to say.
Pretty sad. At least the consevatives here weather the storms and stay. That pretty much says a lot about you and them, too. It's sure not like you guys never took pot shots over there. Of course, I am sure it wasn't YOU. Right.
gee, 100,000 people vs. 400 people
100,000 = anti-war protesters
400 = anti-anti-war protesters
Statistics from today's White House rally.
Now shoo, run along home now back to your hole or cave or whatever you crawled out of.
I consider the people..
and programs I mentioned fair and balanced. Meet the Press, Hardball, Tyler Carlson on CNN, Face The Nation. They said that they would not accept Drudge as reliable information, not I although I don't but my opinion carries less weight than that of those mentioned above.
100 people
This was a SMALL gathering, and as stated above, Jews tend to support abortion rights more than any other group (15-20%). So this small group hardly speaks for the majority of the Jewish Community.
She has none of those people that we know of ... sm
She just got announced. I am not saying that there is anything in her background, but it is early and I am sure if there is one iota of a person in her background then we will here about it. For this whole experience thing, what have we got in the past 8 years and the past 8 before that with all of the so-called experience the Rep. think we need.
Why are we still bring up Rev. Wright? Can't we just move past that? We've heard it all.
Sorry, people....
The blame for the way Katrina was handled lays completely with the democratic Louisiana governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the democratic New Orleans mayor, Ray Nagin.
They didn't follow the protocol for disasters.
However, now Bobby Jinda, Republican governor, is in charge, and he is handling things the way they should have been back then.....
Why are people so
focused on outward appearances? It is a person's heart that shows true beauty......not their face. A face can change over time, but a pure heart remains and that is what is important.
Are these the same people
who can afford their cigarettes and beer?
people should have been more
people make financial mistakes... perhaps some people wouldn't be hurting so badly right now if they had been living within their financial means to begin with.
Why can't more people see that?
My husband has been saying that same thing for the past few years. I am so sick and tired of working so hard to make a good life for my family, only to have *big government* take half of my money to give to people who won't lift a finger and want government to take care of them. It just makes me sick! I don't know why so many people are so blind to this.
some people say
is the line Hannity uses to introduce such wild statements without accepting responsibility for stating them. The post says the GROUP endosed McCain -- did not libel McCain. Simply an example of how people are willing to run with any statement that supports their beliefs against a candidate.
God is in the People
Slice and dice in the womb - 2.1 million babies murdered.....fanatical ravings indeed
Who are these VERY BAD people....
I'm not coming up with anything when I Google the internets..........
545 people
I'm cutting and pasting from an email my friend sent me. Thought it was interesting enough to post here. I really hope the spacing is okay. The title of the email was "how to become a former columnist"
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.
The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, nine Supreme Court justices = 545 human beings out of the 300 million who are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority. They have no authority to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, (supposedly) the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving
appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She or he is the leader of the majority party. She or he and fellow House members, not the
president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and
irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .
If they do not receive Social Security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's be cause they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they
can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses, provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
it's not about the people who can't
x
I want to know why people like
Dodd and Frank aren't being held accountable? Why aren't the CEOs being held accountable? It thoroughly ticks me off that this is literally being swept under the rug. I want to see some punishment here. It is like they all got a get out of jail free card or something. WTH? They all lined their pockets with money and we are the ones paying for it and suffering. People walking away with millions of dollars with no consequences at all while we are left to pay for their misdeeds. I'm totally disgusted! I say we clean house and start all over with new people. I wanna show these politicians that I'm tired of being screwed over by them. I really feel like this bailout was the rich bailing out their rich friends.
A lot of people are saying
Don't underestimate Gov. Sarah Palin. She knows more than people give her credit for and she's smart as a whip. Looking forward to the debate.
As for McCain's heath, I wouldn't weigh too heavily on that. He's been cleared of cancer now for at least 7 years by his doctor and is cancer-free. To be worried about that would be the same if something was to happen to Barack or Biden - would you really trust Pelosi as president? That would be too laughable if it weren't so scary. I would say if you agree with McCains policies (which I believe are going to be better for the country than Barack Osocialist's policies) then vote for him. Also remember. There are people who direct every president. There has never been any president who has ever done anything without the approval of their bosses. At least John McCain and Gov Palin will be surrounding themselves with the people who know what's going on and how to handle whatever situation arises with better solutions than the people who Obama would surround himself with. I trust that more than anything.
Yep! And yet so many people still want
more government! Unbelievable.
Because so many people are NOT sensible
nm
AND YOU ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY
nm
545 People ..................sm
Good little summary about who we should get rid of.
545 PEOPLE By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create
problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and
the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we
have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are
against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation
and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The
President does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority
to vote on appropriations. The House of
Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy,
the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president,
and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of
the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and
individually responsible for the domestic problems that
plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board
because that problem was created by the Congress. In
1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide
a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private,
central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a
sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have
no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a
president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't
care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars
in cash. The politician has the power to accept
or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is
the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy
convincing you that what they did is not their fault.
They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is
an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being
would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and
criticized the President for creating deficits. The
president can only propose a budget. He cannot force
the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land,
gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives
for originating and approving appropriations and
taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? The leader
of the majority party. He/She and fellow House members,
not the president, can approve any budget they want. If
the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if
they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million
can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by
present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility.
I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly
to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the
plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is
what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want
it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want
it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's
because they want them in IRAQ .
If they do not receive social security but are on
an elite retirement plan not available to the people,
it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to
bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can
abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can
reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to
regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above
all, do not let them con you into the belief that there
exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the
economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to
do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando
Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it
is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your
address book, and hope' they' do something about
it.
2. You can agree to 'vote against'
everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the
process will take several years.
3. You can decide to 'run for office'
yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or
re-elect the current bunch.
YOU DECIDE, BUT AT LEAST SEND IT TO EVERYONE IN YOUR
ADDRESS BOOK,
MAYBE SOMEONE IN THERE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
Maybe people
who don't put a lot of stock in a name. Should McCain/Palin be elected, I hope you will like what you get.
It may not be for you but still is for a lot of people. nm
.
I wish more people were like you
Then the need for welfare would be obsolete.
In our backwards town the people you are reporting to are more than likely relatives of those on welfare! I've brought it up a few times to officials, but nothing ever gets done. They basically say "mine your own business" well it is my business if it's MY tax dollars.
I'm glad to hear things are working out for you now. We aren't very high on the hog either, about at his ankles I would say :) but we get by, and we reach out to those we can. I love our church because they reach out a lot and I've seen at least five people come in who never attended our church and no one at our church knew, and I've watched members hand them money, knowing they would probably never see them or it again. I've watched our preacher take the money from the offering plate and hand it to them. Which is what a church should do. Now maybe those people weren't nothing but drug addicts or alcoholics, but people gave freely, and that's the difference. No one should be forced to give to those less fortunate. That just breeds animosity and class warfare.
I like to give most people the benefit of the doubt, and I tend to trust in people as a whole, but the more I get burnt, the more trust I lose in society as a whole. I'm learning to look at people with a more critical eye, and I don't know if that is a good thing. But after all the abuse of the system I have seen in my town and the towns surrounding, it just makes me really against giving anymore into the welfare system. Not without a total revamping of it. But, we are forced to, so I guess I will! :)
I know people who have had
for babies that were miscarried.
I lot of people use
sm and NM when they post. Does not mean they are the same person. Thank you for the apology.
ah, what about the people
who want freedom like you and i have?? Freedom isn't free. It takes sacrifice, something too few understand anymore.
Some people believe everything
they hear. This is just now "coming out." Doesn't that tell you something? Two days before election? Show me where he said it on VIDEO tape that is reported on the news.. Don't give me this audio stuff. I don't care if you support McCain but for God's sake, don't be going off on witch hunts. 
Actually - I'm sure it was on a lot more people's
seriously, if you cast your ballot ahead of time and then you die for the election, does your vote still count? I'm just wondering if she already submitted her vote, because if so, I think it shouldn't be counted.
oh no!!! do you think people really believe that? How sad! (sm)
But she has a mortgage...so she won't get a lot of help under O's plan will she?
It is sad that some people can't
get past the us versus them mentality, and it's not just with politics.
Not what most people want to see BUT
Let's face it, most of us are having turkey for Thanksgiving and I, for one, don't believe my turkey dinner died of natural causes.
most people
think I shouldn't waste my time replying. I am going to agree with them.
These are some of the same people whose
mortgage we are probably all going to be paying for. The normal, civilized people in our group of friends don't worry about having to stand in line to save a few bucks on something everybody else has already.
and most people think he should be doing more -
what gives? Nobody can be satisfied. If he does not say or do anything, then he is wrong, if he says something, he is wrong!!!
I don't understand why everybody just wants to complain all the time...
Be happy!
Oh, so it is people like you who keep
time! That's why they always have more viewers than those other ones who are so jealous that they mention O'Rielly at least 3 times a week, usually more.
And people wonder why I have such....(sm)
disdain for christianity. Hey Lu, where was your scripture when you agreed with the genocide of palestinians? Or are you just picking and chosing the verse that suits you best in any situation. So typical and predictable.
The right people? You would know this how?
x
Because....if people cannot keep up with their
monthly payments, their interests go up and it is still good business for the banks.
The often people take a loan on their equity, lose their interests on this part and so on, down the road to foreclosures.....
Don't let banks tell you that you can afford a loan, if you know in your guts that you cannot or you do not understand what you are getting into.
Banks are 'loan sharks'.
I think that people are just fed up
with others mooching off of the government and supporting themselves by the hard work of others. These government programs that provide this are liberal ideas. I've mentioned before that I have no problem helping people who really need the help. However, I do have a problem with my money going to people who refuse to help themselves. In that case we are enablers and not helping anyone at all. The problem with welfare is that the regulation is seriously lacking in that area. At least Clinton did reform it when he was in office but now Obama is undoing what little reform Clinton had done. To me....this is just opening up Pandora's box.
The problem with strict regulations is that it will be harder for people who truly need help to get help. The dishonest and greedy people always ruin things for the honest people who truly need help. So what is the answer here? Either way you go you are screwing honest people and lazy bums are receiving handouts when they shouldn't.
I once went to college with a lady who had 2 kids. She was trying to get a college degree so she could get a better job. Her and her boyfriend were living together and he was trying to start his own business. Needless to say....they were not doing well financially. They were receiving food stamps and government assistance. This lady decided that she could get a part-time job to help them out, but was told that if she did get that job, they would take away her food stamps. Here she was....going to college and was going to get a job to help them out but was told the food stamps would be taken away. This lady did not take the job because it wouldn't have gotten them ahead at all. To me....this is government kicking people down instead of helping them up. These people were really trying and the moment one tried to get a job to help them get ahead, government knocked them down.
Then on the other side of the spectrum, you have single mom's pushing out kid after kid with no intention of working while they receive government assistance. How is that fair? How is that helping?
The reason democrats are stereotyped is because government programs are usually liberal ideas. Instead of actually helping though.....we are now rewarding irresponsible people instead of truly helping the people that need help and that is what is sad and frustrating whether you are a dem, pub, or independent.
We cannot provide housing, health, clothes, food, etc. for everybody. We cannot afford it and the more people work to pay for others, the more people will stop working to allow others to pay for them. This is why socialism doesn't work. It is nice in theory to think that we are helping others by spreading the wealth around but when you have more people mooching and less people working.......there isn't enough wealth to spread around.
Wow....if a lot of people did that
it would definitely make an impression. However, it won't change anything. As you can tell from the pro-choice people on this board.....nothing you say or show them will change their mind. Abortion is not something that we can obviously talk civilized about on this board.
You can't stop abortions. If you try, more women will end up taking harmful substances into their body to try and force an abortion or they will go to some quack who will hack them up to get the procedure done.
I do not agree with abortions, but I can't stop them so I just look at it like population control and one less possible welfare recipient that I have to pay for.
Okay....why are people getting
so defensive here. Sending red envelopes to the president to represent an aborted child is a protest that will cause no harm. It won't change how Obama feels about abortion or any other pro-choicer for that matter. This isn't a violent thing. This isn't like PETA people throwing paint on people with fur coats. This is just something polite and simple to represent our opinions. It isn't like the gay rights people who are spray painting messages on the sides of churches or kissing each other in the middle of a congregation.
Pro-life people are entitled to their opinion as well. To call us names is very childish. We are allowed to state our opinions and protest in a non-violent way. That is a right and our freedom of speech. If you disagree with our point of view....fine. We both know that nothing we do will change abortion laws so don't worry about your uterus because I'm sure you can continue to abort as many babies as you choose to and we cannot stop you.
It amazes me that people just cannot talk and debate about things without being rude and childish.
No, it's people like...sm
Jane Fonda, Barbara Streisand and AL Gore who make me ashamed to be an American.
Because they want the people on
food stamps and any government handouts to eat healthy, that's why. If states chose not to follow those rules, then the program should be taken away from them. Junk food should not be allowed on a program that is designed to help those people eat healthier and/or better.
Because people, for whatever ...
unfathomable reason, keep electing the woman!!! And Harry Reid...and Barney Frank....need I go on....lol
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