You call that an excuse? There are plenty of churches that offer those things!! nm
Posted By: That don't preach hate on 2008-10-15
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Excuse me, but plenty of us ARE paying
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I have said plenty of things against Mccain
And if it wouldn't be just a wasted vote I would write in another candidate. But the bottom line is Obama is way to liberal. If there was a democratic candidate who was more middle of the road and upheld Christian values I would most certainly vote for him or her. I could care less about republican or democratic parties. Heck this is my first year voting! I think the voting age should be 21 because most 18 year olds are not intelligent enough to go out and really learn about the candidates. They just want to vote for the rock star who promises change. Forget what the change is. He's just so COOL.
Last time I checked COOL wasn't on the lists of requirements for presidential candidate.
Excuse me? I would hardly call Obama
a far-liberal! I really believe that you are doing far better on the 'Word help board', that's where you belong.
Excuse me? So it's only allowed to say bad things
The first person stated republicans are strange. The first person could hardly know every republican in the USA and her statement was inflammatory. The second person returned the observation, and you say "typical," as though you know who posted it and what is typical behavior of that person? Tsk. You disappoint me, oldtimer. Here I thought perhaps you'd be a voice of reason. First you say stop petty attacks and then you stoop to flinging yourself. Talk about lack of credibility. You're either with them or against them. Did you decide if you can't beat 'em, join 'em?
Excuse me but don't you find it more stimulating to debate things rather than to just
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these are huge churches
As you may remember, I am a Jew, but these Christian Churches listed are pretty large denominations:
UMC - 12 million worldwide members, 8 million in the U.S.
PC-USA - 2.2 million
Episcopalian - 2.2 million
American Baptist - 1.4 million
UCC - 1.2
The above are just some of the member churches. Are all of these denominations full of false prophets or reading a different bible?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I just find it very interesting
Churches (and charities) with 501(c)(3)
Or they risk losing their tax exempt status. There are plenty of churches in my area that hand out voter guides, often with misleading information or outright lies in them. But people believe them because they got the guides at church. There are even pastors and preachers that tell their congregations who to vote for and that if they don't vote the "right" way, there will be eternal repercussions.
If the churches don't like the law, they should lobby to change it. Until that time, they should obey it.
churches & political endorsements
In Mark 8:15, Jesus strictly warned us to "Beware of the leaven of Herod." Why did he say this?? It is because in his day there was a group of Jews called Herodians. They mixed religion & politics, & tried to curry favor with Rome by doing the bidding of Herod, who was dependent on their leavening influence in order to maintain taxation & control over Israel. Any church that is political has partaken of "the leaven of Herod." The only churches that are free of this leaven are the Amish-Mennonites & the Jehovah's Witnesses, who abstain from voting & are conscientous objectors to war. They also refrain from displaying national flags on their platforms, seeing that Christ's kingdom is "not of this world." (John 18:36)
When Israel decided that they needed to choose a king over them (1 Sam. 8), God said that they were rejecting Him & trusting in the arm of flesh. Likewise, voting is a carnal weapon of warfare (2 Cor. 10:4), & is leaning on the arm of flesh (Jer. 17:5). A vote for president is a vote for commander in chief of the armed forces, & Christians are not to have no part in avenging evil for evil. (Contrast the duties of the church in Romans 12, with the duties of the state in Romans 13.)
Why not leave marriage up to the churches
There are some churches performing marriages now and have been for years. Go to the court house and get your "union license" and then get married whereever the heck you can. My Presbyterian church has been performing weddings for gays for almost 20 years.
Oh cmon - get real. ALL churches preach
solely behind the pulpit, either. I'm sure just as much hatred is spewed at those QUILTING BEES, or during Athletes for Christ football practice.
Give me equal rights, gay marriage and pride, and freedom to believe as I choose ANY day, over all tht archaic religious fear-mongering.
Christian churches take people on their word (sm)
if they knew he was Muslim before but he was professing that he wanted to change to Christian, they would never tell him no. We don't exclude anyone who wants to become a Christian. There is no background check or paperwork to fill out, you simply tell the people that is what you want to do and that's it.
So you can't translate this either? All you have to offer is
Please elaborate.
Can I offer you some Kool-Aid?
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Than offer something constructive...
instead of whining about what you don't like. That's all we hear is whining and complaining without any solutions or suggestion that you feel would be a better way to go. Not only that, are you privy to the same information that President and Obama and his cabinet are privy to? Are you qualified to pass judgment on anything that he does when you don't have all the facts? Would you like some cheese with your whine?
If the information she has to offer upsets you this much...
....perhaps you should debate with the folks on the conservative board who will agree with you and pat you on the back. Perhaps your anger with gt is not about her, but about you (to paraphrase the mental health folks).
May I be the first to offer resounding bipartisan
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Every time we offer a suggestion
we get laughed at and told we are asking for handouts.
I still believe that the best way to revive the banks is to go through the homeowners. Isn't bailing out and giving money to the big buisnesses still essentially trickle down economics? It's going to take too long for this stimulus to reach the average citizen. By then too many people will be without a job/home/food, etc.
So you have nothing to offer when it comes to defending Bennett's statements...sm
as you posted earlier that they were taken out of context. When asked to enlighten us on the context, you instead want to take Zauber to task. I know why, because there is no defense for these statements and a sound minded person wouldn't even try. Even the dupes on capitol hill are criticizing the statements.
Yeah, I'll BET you "work with" them. You offer
away from any others that might be out there. I've seen your kind practicing what amounts to terrorism in front of our local Planned Parenthood clinic.
Based on all the propaganda you've been spewing the last week or so, I don't believe one word of what you just wrote about 'helping' women.
You so-called 'pro-life' enthusiasts are just a buncha self-righteous, old-world, Bible-belt hags, nothing more.
What facts did you just offer to encourage me to vote your way? nm
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But they didn't offer racism and bigotry....
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In a prior post I made the following offer:
.....no amount of money would induce me to volunteer to be tortured (you know, beaten cut, burned - severe pain or harm). But cut me a check (certified only, please) with a number followed by a whole lot of zeros and I would be waterboarded (strictly in the interest of science). Our special forces are trained to withstand this and other 'harsh' interrigation techniques...... It's scary and unpleasant but way different from having your fingernails pulled out or a field generator and alligator clips used.
I had in mind more like $500,000, but yeah, for enough money I would certainly consider that an offer I couldn't refuse.
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
dr's urge america to accept cuba's offer
Doctors Urge US To Accept Cuba's Offer Of 1586
Disaster-Trained Doctors
By Ken Thomas
Associated Press Writer
9-8-5
ATLANTA (PRNewswire) -- A prominent U.S. medical group
voiced deep concern over delays in health care and
epidemic prevention reaching Katrina victims, and
urged U.S. authorities to accept Cuba's offer of 1586
disaster-trained physicians to prevent a second wave
of sickness and death.
Latest reports indicate the U.S. State Department is
backing away from the offer, implying they are not
needed.
Up to this point, there been a clear need for more
medical help for Katrina victims, said Peter Bourne,
MD, Chairman of MEDICC and former special adviser on
health in the Carter White House and former Assistant
Secretary General at the United Nations. The Cuban
physicians are accustomed to working in difficult
third-world conditions without the resources and
supplies most of us are accustomed to. Since they are
just an hour away, it is a shame that they have not
been allowed to join our committed medical corps
already.
He is joined by other physicians, medical educators,
international health experts and a former U.S. surgeon
general associated with MEDICC, Medical Education
Cooperation with Cuba. From 1998 through 2004, MEDICC
has provided medical electives in Cuba for nearly 1000
students and faculty from 118 U.S. medical, public
health and nursing schools.
Cuba has been recognized by the UN, Oxfam and other
international organizations as a leader in disaster
response, expertise that could be saving lives now,
said Doctor William Keck, former long-time director of
the Akron, Ohio Department of Public Health.
A 2004 Oxfam Report, Weathering the Storm: Lessons in
Risk Reduction from Cuba, states that there are real
lessons to be learned from Cuba on how to safeguard
lives during extreme natural disasters, including
getting medical attention to vulnerable populations.
The report can be found at
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/cuba.
On Tuesday, August 30, Cuba first offered U.S.
authorities hurricane relief in the form of 1100
disaster-trained bilingual physicians, each equipped
with 52-pound pound backpacks of medical supplies,
including rehydration therapy, insulin,
anti-hypertensives, and medications for systemic and
topical infections.
On Saturday, September 3, Cuba increased the offer to
1586 doctors, ready for immediate deployment and
prepared to stay as long as necessary to help wherever
needed. A Cuban spokesperson said that as of today
there has been no official response from the U.S.
government.
Cuban disaster relief experience spans 45 years,
mainly in hurricanes faced by the Caribbean island and
in coping with disasters confronted by other
developing countries. Another nearly 25,000 Cuban
health professionals provide longer-term health care
services in 68 countries, under
government-to-government agreements.
Cuba trains 10,500 medical students from 27 countries
at its Latin American Medical School -- 65 of them
from poor and minority communities in the USA. (See
The New England Journal of Medicine, 2004;
351:2680-82.)
What an irony that the first U.S. MD to graduate from
the school this August is a young African American
from New Orleans, said Diane Appelbaum, RN, NP, MS.
He just passed the U.S. medical boards and is eager
to fulfill the commitment he made in exchange for his
free education from Cuba to serve the very
poverty-stricken areas now devastated.
For additional first-hand reports and interviews from
Cuba, please see MEDICC's on-line journal, MEDICC
Review at http://www.medicc.org, Archives, Vol VI, No.
3, 2004 Disaster Management in Cuba: Reducing the
Risk.
MEDICC (Medical Education Cooperation with Cuba) is a
non-profit organization based in Atlanta. MEDICC is
committed to maintaining institutional and educational
links between the U.S. and Cuban medical communities.
MEDICC publishes the English-language journal MEDICC
Review, reporting on Cuba's medical and public health
programs, available at
http://www.medicc.org.
Remarkable how a child's viewpoint can often offer wisdom
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So we offer substandard wages and attract more people to welfare???...sm
More of your tax dollars are being spent there than at McDonalds or whatever, if we do not get more people working, we also have LESS people paying into the tax system, both federal and state, which subsidises OTHER necessitites. And people complain about the immigrant workers taking jobs? Because of substandard wages and the increased benefit of being on Welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaide, it seems only immigrants WANT to do these insultingly low-paying jobs. I am talking about a wage where a family can be together, both parents are not working two jobs, and thus not taking care of the kids, another social problem, and employed taxpayers are also CONSUMERS who drive the economy, but if you are not making a living wage, you cannot participate in the economy. How is this wrong?
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
GP, I like your sense of humor.
You call it hysteria, some call it concern for the
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Oh, I have said plenty here.
You just don't read it.
Oh, I appreciate them plenty! sm
I was raised on them. Had a big ol' pot of beans with cornbread and homemade bread and butter pickles yesterday for dinner. Sho 'nuff wuz good, too!
You can have my portion of possum, though. Gives me indigestion. ;o)
Well, there has been plenty of that...lol (sm)
And I'm sure there will be more. The reality of the situation is yes, she was thrown under the bus. She also made the DECISION to put herself in the limelight, knowing (just like everyone else in that spot) that she would be scrutinized. It was a JOKE! Lighten up....besides, I told you not to look.
Ah, but that's not all. She has plenty more
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LOL! No, there's plenty.
In fact, there's a new "crow," it seems, every day!!
Thanks for the good wishes, GP. 
Well, so far there's been plenty with O to keep you
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There are plenty of us who get
TechSupport. Just because you lack the intelligence or refuse to stop drinking kool-aid...doesn't mean the rest of us are like you. If you don't like TechSupport....don't read his posts. If you can't reply without being petty, don't bother replying. The childishness is getting old here.
Yup, he's got plenty of constituents who'd like him out.
Nothing like earning respect like this:
http://philly.metro.us/metro/local/article/Who_wants_to_be_Santorum/3165.html
Again, there will still be plenty who will carry her. sm
She isn't going to change and she shouldn't. She is no more outrageous than Molly Ivins and some of the far left pundits. She will always have a following.
Wrong...there were plenty (sm)
who were telling her to get out. Like I said earlier, I do not support any of the current candidates. Based on the length of your posts, it seems that you spend way too much time focused on something you have no control over, but that's just my opinion.
Here is some...you can research for more yourself...there is plenty
on the net.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-24-Biden-son_N.htm
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5965332.htm
More on MBNA connection to Biden:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDU4OTdhMTFhN2YwZTY3MmMzNGFhYzc3ODdhOTA0ZjQ
More on lobbyists...they all have them on staff:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519
There is plenty of blame to go around...
However, Bill Clinton is not trying to rewrite history and take credit for keeping the United States safe since 9/11.
He has to do this so he will have plenty of people
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We have had plenty of terrorist
AND after 9/11.
- USS Cole.
- 2000 New Year attack attempt at Los Angeles Airport, but stopped at Port Angeles, WA ferry terminal during Clinton.
- New York Bomb Subway in 1997 with Clinton in office.
My gosh, there is a whole list of terrorist attack attempts.
I am sure there are plenty of them who use prostitutes sm
in the District of Criminals, left and right. They only out them when they become a problem - i.e. Eliot Spitzer blowing the whistle on Wall Street before the election.
Wrong - there are plenty
You go ahead and think there are no people who can "hold a candle to him". C'mon you really need to stop drinking the kool-aid. Do you know every single politician in this country? I don't think so. There are a lot of unknown politicians out there who are much better than what is in there and also a lot of well known politicians more qualified. Right now we just have a continuation of the Bush Admin.
At the rate he's going he'll be lucky if he isn't impeached for bringing the country down.
So unless you know every single candidate (republican and independent because we could be seeing the first Independent President in history in 2012) it would be wise to keep these uneducated statements to yourself.
As Ben Franklin once said -
"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
And, unfortunately, you have plenty of "inane"
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Then call it what it is...or call for conservation...
but don't make up a myth to try to gain control. That is what Gore is after...what all the global warming hoohah is after. They have an agenda...pure and simple. And the base fact is that a very low percentage of the greenhouse gas effect is from cars. Every time you breathe out, you contribute. Are we all going to stop breathing? Are cows going to stop belching? I have no problem with ethanol...I have used it. My husband is from Iowa...I would love it if we started using ethanol more extensively. But in previous years, Democrats (Hillary being a primary one) opposed the use of ethanol. I guess if I believed any of those people out there hawking global warming actually believed what they were saying it would be different...but I don't. The science is not there. As I said...if the real interest is conservation with the side benefit of less CO2...fine. Just say so. But as the article pointed out...if it is as bad as they say it is, you can't stop it anyway. It just does not make good sense to me.
Fine. Call if whatever you want to call it....
I will call it as I see it. I look at a totality of things. He has embraced black liberation theology which is racist and has Marxist tones for 20 years. There is no way the man went to that church for 20 years and did not know their doctrine. But, if you choose to believe that, again, fine. I do not. I believe he knows that theology backward and forward and believes it to his core. You don't have to. That is the wonderful thing about America. We can agree or disagree. On this we disagree.
Yes, I am feeling a pinch. But I don't think the government should take money from you and give it to me. I don't think they should take money from any private business and give it to me. If you think that is fair, fine. I don't. That is how socialism/Marxism takes hold. Historically it ends the same way. I don't want that for America. Perhaps you do...you want the pinch eased for you and if that means taking money from someone else that they earned, and giving it to you, who did not earn it, to you it is all good. To me it isn't.
He never has said who the $1000 checks are going to. I am thinking not every person in the whole US of A...so not only does he get to choose who he takes the money from, he gets to choose who to give it to. That would be another interesting piece of the puzzle. If he confirms to the Marxist view, it would be issuing checks to the "poor." And he gets to define who that is. You may be okay with that...me, not so much.
And by the way...have you ever researched an oil company profit margin? It is not as huge as Obama would like you to believe. But, again, he is counting on no one researching what he says. They hear free money and that's all they want to hear. Also, do you think oil companies don't employ people? You think it is one CEO at a desk in an office raking in billions? You don't think there are rank and file regular folks who work for oil companies? Whose jobs might be impacted by you and others wanting to take money away from their employers and doling it out to people who have not earned it? You think there is a chance they might have a problem with that?
I call, fax, and call again and I do campaign....
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There are plenty of misspeaks to be found
from ALL the candidates from both parties. That doesn't make it right but arguing over whose misspeak is the worse doesn't get us anywhere.
So don't bother to duck. I'm not gonna throw anything.
Yes, i have plenty to keep me busy. Your attitude
just makes you seem somewhat sexist and I really was just curious?
No problem. Plenty of time for that.
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