You are confusing tyranny with losing
Posted By: amen on 2009-04-14
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This is getting confusing! sm
I am not prowar, I am, as AG says, proactive. I believe we should have gone into Iraq. We have to deal with Iran. I believe the money is coming from Saudi Arabia. We need to deal with them. And then there is North Korea. By *dealing with*, I mean we must be vigilant, identify the real enemy, and plan accordingly. What exactly is worth fighting for if not our way of life. One of my favorite quotes is by John Stuart Mill, who penned his thoughts with prophetic brilliance: ‘War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.'
I think that's where it gets confusing
There was an article in the Des Moines Register today that a busload of people came up from Missouri to get married here in Iowa, where it is now legal, knowing that when they went back to Missouri, the marriage was null and void. What makes the situation somewhat atypical in this case is that if I recall correctly, Missouri has a constitutional amendment defining marriage as 1 woman/1 man. Historically states have recognized the marital status between each other (which is why we don't have to get remarried each time we move!), so whether an Iowa marriage license among same-sex couples would be valid in a state that does not have a constitutional amendment specifically banning those unions is not clear.
You are correct - confusing
This whole war thing has gone on so long it is confusing. I'm not purposely trying to put wrong facts up there. I read it from a newspaper and also I've been hearing it on TV all day. All I remember throughout the campaign was him saying he'd bring the troops home. To me its all the same thing. I don't ever remember him separating the two regions, but like you say it is on youtube and I can research for myself which I will. But I about fell off my chair when I heard he's sending more troops and I never heard him talk about sending troops during his campaign. Like I said, and I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong. I just honestly don't remember it like this.
I will, however, not admit that I put up deceiving posts. I stated a fact. Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan, 17,000 according to the news source I read. I did not make that figure up.
Question for you though. Where are those troops going to come from. If you tell me that Obama is going to re-route them from Iraq to the Afghanistan, then I would have to say that is what I would consider a lie/deceit (my opinion - and don't shoot me for having opinions). He had many of us fooled into believing the troops would be coming home. My best friend told me her son (in Afgan. would be coming home as would her husband in Iraq). But if he doesn't re-route them and sending fresh soldier's over, then no it's no a lie on his part (IMO).
I also wouldn't be so quick to judge people for their beliefs. If I'm wrong I'll say I'm wrong but one other poster wrote "selective hearing". (I voted for the guy in the primaries, I believed in him back then). I don't know about anyone else out there but it can be real confusing. Just like the stimulus bill, etc, etc. I will however do some research and watch some more youtube when I get a chance.
Do you need new eyeglasses? You are confusing me with somebody. I never said that....nm
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Wow...that is sort of confusing.
I guess if I were gay and had a partner, I'd just swap rings on my own and throw a party. The love two people have between each other means more than a legal piece of paper, IMO. I wouldn't travel to another state to get married just to go back home and it not mean anything legally. As often as people get divorced, you gotta wonder if straight people really get marriage.
Are you sure your are not confusing arrogance with intelligence and sm
confidence? Those are the qualities we need in a president aren't they?
No, I am not confusing the body with an 844-ft mountain top...
What I am referring to are the many cases where schools will have rules that ban crosses or any form of Christian expression, but allow Muslims/Sikhs to wear headscarves. The ACLU by and large will not take those cases even if asked. If situation reversed, they will sue on behalf of Muslims/sikhs without being asked.
Again...the first ammendment guarantees freedom of religion and the free expression thereof. The last 4 words mean as much as the first words.
The first ammendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion...like the church of England that required everyone to follow that religion. There is nothing in the constitution that uses the words separation of church and state. The founding fathers did not seperate Christianity from the government...it is interwoven in the founding documents, on our currency, on the walls of Congress. It is part of the American heritage. From the drive to come here for religious freedom came the drive to set out the other individual freedoms.
As I said, if people find sharing the gospel annoying a simple I am not interested works with most Christians. There is always a radical fringe associated with any religion...some more than others. There is a radical political fringe.
All I am saying is that Christians are discriminated against in this country. And the same people who will rise up and decry discrimination against Muslims, et al, will not rise up and decry the same discrimination against Christians. I would think civil liberties apply to ALL of us....
I said nothing about putting a cross on public ground...don't know why you went off on that tangent. :)
Maybe she's confusing Obama's parties with.(sm)
the parties held at the Department of Interior under Bush....LOL.
Your post is grammatically confusing and makes no sense nm
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You are losing it for us, Rush.
"Whether you agree with the fact that it's going on or not, we all have come to the decision that it's best that we win it. You haven't even joined us on that. You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?"
First of all, there is no war to be won. Our enemy cannot be destroyed by brute force. Our enemy hides among the population, lives among the people. They have no strongholds we can attack, no supply lines we can cut, and no army we can outmatch and outgun on a traditional battlefield. We are fighting on their terms, but we have refused to acknowledge that. I ask you, what do you think Rush means when he talks about "winning the war in Iraq?" What does he envision as victory? The end of all violence against American targets? Complete and total peace? When Iraqis welcome our soldiers into their homes, and hug and kiss them in the streets? The insurgency is a disease. We have tried to destroy the infections that we have encountered, but we have not found a cure. We cannot prevent it, we cannot vaccinate against it. So long as American forces remain in Iraq, there can be no peace. You cannot convince the average Iraqi that we are there for his benefit, when his brothers have been killed by our soldiers, his home bombed by our planes, his life governed and monitored by our Army. So long as our soldiers patrol their streets, the Iraqis cannot be free, and the insurgency will continue. The hard truth is, the Bush administration does not know what to do in Iraq. They do not know how to achieve victory, because they do not know what victory should mean.
Leave Iraq. Bring our soldiers home. Apologize to the Iraqi people. Has anyone in the Bush camp ever thought of that? We are not fighting the Iraqi people as a whole. We are fighting various elements within the population. We owe the Iraqi people an apology, for invading their lives and killing their innocents (and because it was accidental does not excuse us from our responsibility). It is wrong to hate the Iraqi people. The vast majority of them are victims, caught in the crossfire. But the longer we remain in Iraq, the more noncombatants will join the insurgency, and become our enemies. The insurgents don't need to recruit new members; we are providing the people with reasons to join the fight against us, merely by doing what we are currently doing in their country. It is the propaganda that people like Rush spread that creates more and more hate, and makes it harder and harder to really and truly win the war in Iraq.
Newspapers are not losing
their audience because of ***political suicide***. It is because of the satellite/cable 24/7 coverage of the news on TV and the internet blogs where one can go to hear whatever it is they want to hear, true or not. Most people do not read much anymore as well. There are some really **big** words in the newspapers.
its more than losing books
that concerns me. It is the mindset that her beliefs are the only true ones and that information and opinions that differ from hers should not be available to United States citizens. That is down-right mindblowing.
Whatever. But I think your candidate was losing
Sometimes he actually looked a little confused. Petit mal, perhaps?
You ain't gonna like losing.
Found this on another political message board and thought it might be an interesting read here. I know we don't all hold the same opinions on the war and on President Bush, but take a couple of minutes to read this and give it some thought.
This is from: 'You ain't gonna like losing.'
Author unknown.
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on
terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to
war in Iraq . Bush's mistake came in his belief that
this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII.
It is not.
Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression.
The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression,
but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew
that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the
people's duty to back those leaders.
Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together,
rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they
had voted for them or not or whether the war was going
badly or not.
And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as
great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties
in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war.
But that did not matter. The people stuck with the
President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans
put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to
win that war.
Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old
pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to
gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school
students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to
help the effort.
Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age
or condition trying their best to join the military.
Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to
butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.
You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling
the President. Interestingly enough in those days there
were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to
visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and
complain to them about our President. Instead, they made
upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the
troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.
And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the
day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for
our country and our troops!
Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain
weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to
cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared
complain about what we were doing to catch spies.. A
newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it
had complaine d that German or Japanese soldiers were being
'tortured' by being forced to wear women's
underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or
being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.
There were a lot of things different back then. We were not
subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography,
perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did
not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed
gangs roaming our streets.
No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling
of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we
still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He
believed that this was still the country that our fathers
fought so dearly to preserve.
It is not the same country. It is now a cross between
Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a
short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we
found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.
We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic
Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to
kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been
estimated that about one third or over three hundred
million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...
Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many
potential recruits. So... We either win it - or lose it -
and you ain't gonna like losing.
America is not at war. The military is at war.
America is at the mall, or watching the movie stars.
(Remember Obama said in his book 'Audacity of
Hope', 'I will stand with the Muslims should the
political winds shift in an ugly direction'.....what
better place for the Muslims to control our country, than
in the office of the President of USA .
No wonder their network is losing
Evidently they had invited GB on their show to discuss his views on current issues. Instead, 7 minutes of air time was wasted on this? This wasn't even comedy, nothing funny, just junk. Seven minutes of crap about a seat on a train!
Oh please - no one is losing their freedom
I read the article. Their freedoms are not being taken away. However, they are treating the home like it is a business and bring the congregation to a private home conducting business there without a license. This should be kept in the churches.
The "homosexual community" had nothing to do with this and no where in the article does it say that.
You'll be the first to try and take away the rights of the gays and lesbians, but you sure don't like it back do ya.
He looks a few questions away from losing control...nm
Not too worried about losing Christian Right
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But we are losing our ability to choose every day.
Can't have a fast food place in low income neighborhoods in California anymore because someone has decided because people have low incomes, they obviously can't make their own choices.
Can't have trans fat because someone has decided we can't decide for ourselves what those are.
Businessowners can no longer decide to allow smoking in their bars where majority of patrons are smokers in many places because someone else has decided it's for the greater good if they don't.
I could go on. It isn't Democrat or Republican, it's WE THE PEOPLE allowing these things to happen, allowing ourselves to be duped by studies, doctors, and scientists who think they know what is best for everyone and that we aren't capable of making choices on our own. If we don't stop it in its tracks, it won't matter which party or who is in office. It will continue to spin out of control until we no longer have the choices of which you speak! But in order to make any difference, we have to be united and stop turning on each other.
He's losing his bearings alright...
I sincerely think that melanoma has affected his brain. He used to be a maverick, especially when he ran against GWB in 2000. Now he's just old, real old. Think it's time for him to retire.
Biden - is he losing his mind?
Headline on Drudge - Biden taps on reporters chest and tells him "you need to work on your pecs"
Is he that touchy feely to go up and touch a strangers chests? I sure hope we don't see that same "love-fest" we saw between Kerry & Edwards.
Losing arguments and saying nothing significant
The OP obviously knows a whole lot more about what she is talking about than you have demonstrated with your snips. If this is how your party thinks they can win friends and influence people, no wonder they are so far down in the tank. This kind of response make you look very small.
You are right... they are upset because they are in a losing battle too, and sm
also what you said is 100 percednt correct. Bullying cowards.
LOL I'm good at losing my temper too. n/m
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They ARE dying. They're losing every one of them.
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You are right about the trash talk losing
all the trash talk from the biased liberal media trying with all their might to destroy individuals, politically and personally. And all of you liberals still cannot give it up, trash talk anyone who has any moral values at all. Try to trash talk everyone who does not want our whole world to be generic.
i would be the one losing my ACTUAL HOME
UNFORTUNATELY, I TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and i pay my mortgage, even if i was one of the ones that they should not have given a loan to. and i have an ARM, and an interest only loan, which i pay more to each month, etc. etc.... BUT if i was in default, maybe i'd get some help...
and you cannot deny that Clinton put this into action
and that McCain or Bush did not foresee it and ask for an overhaul.
no matter who is at fault WHO IS THE ONE THAT TRIED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT LONG BEFORE THIS MESS???
I don't think that we're losing interest...(sm)
The govt in Iran has really been cracking down on communications. From what I understand (from news last night) they are confiscating computers, cell phones, etc. Because of this, there just simply isn't as much news coming out of Iran.
From some acconts from yesterday it has been said that they started yielding axes (of all things) along with the clubs and tear gas, and threw at least one protester off a bridge.
However, there are still postings on YouTube daily of the brutality going on.
Hey, the palestinians have been fighting and LOSING. They've been given every
opportunity to coexist peacefully, to have their own state, their own government --- THEY CHOSE TO FIGHT!
And Israel has offered up land that is rightfully theirs only to have the palestinians kill their innocents with suicide bombers.
'stop betting......you're losing.....
I've paid taxes all my life - federal, state, city, sales, property - I contribute to the greater good. I also have organized charity for families and painted and nailed and laid carpet and tile in poverty stricken homes when I barely had a pot to piss in myself - that was my Christmas gift to my children. I have donated to veteran's halfway houses when I was only making $5.30 an hour - so keep betting on 3-legged horses. I moved in with my parents and took care of my father who was dying while working full-time as a supervisor several states away (thankfully, my employer was cooperative). I always GIVE to my community even when I have only my labor to give. I also donated to Obama's campaign and went door-to-door handing out pamphlets in an attempt to wrench this country from the greedy grasp of the heathen right. AND, WE were successful. So, while the current socialist party inhouse is passing out the last of China's loans to the banks - Obama's team will have a fine time trying to shovel us back to prosperity. You think you are paying too much in taxes now? Since we have the worst unemployment rate since 1945 - I do believe you will be seeing a whole lot more being spent to try to save the citizens of this country and through sheer stubborn ignorance - you will blame Obama instead of the reichwing neo-cons who put us in this position in the first place. All of this impacts our lesser fortunate - the mentally ill and the disabled. Jobs won't go to them. Wait a minute. What jobs?
You are losing it gt, starting to scream and rant. Best rest now. nm
Doesn't matter - my 401K is losing an average of $3K
per DAY. Not per week, per DAY. If the loss continues at this rate, it will hit a zero balance and I'll have nuthin' to lose. So I'm voting for Obama, cuz I sure as he11 don't want that old Republican prune taxing my HEALTH CARE next.
Losing your parental rights is a reality in the near future.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87929
His ratings are skyrocketing! Liberal news is losing
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Loony Left is LOSING Clout in Europe
Once again (how many times do we have to do this?) socialist ideas are being thrown 'on the trash heap of history' where these losers belong.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124425154944290829.html
So the thousands getting laid off weekly are to blame for losing their homes???? nm
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war, depression, recession, collapse of financial system, people losing
homes, natural disasters unattended to, collapsing bridges, earmark bridges. Address those first, save flag for later.
Much sleep is to be lost over this...our soldiers are losing their sleep...so
if it is proven that the reason Plame was outed by our high government officials (which is a crime in and of itself) in order to expose her and her husband Joe Wilson to the media in retaliation for Wilson's findings on the WMD you should be able to tell the major difference between the two cases. But, I won't hold my breath.
If Plame was outed to the media by Scooter Libby, then it is a downright shame. How can any of the CIA coverts feel safe when the VP chief of staff is running his flap to the media leaking classified infomation?
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?
From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.
It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.
It's why Rome conquered the Celts.
It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.
It's why the British conquered the American Indians.
It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.
It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.
Deal with it.
Is Obama losing support or winning support?
John Clodfelter of Mechanicsville, Va., whose son was among the 17 sailors killed in the Cole bombing, said he arrived at the meeting with apprehension over the decision to close the prison. But after listening to the president and being assured that the terrorism suspects would not be released, Mr. Clodfelter said his opinion changed.
“I did not vote for the man,” Mr. Clodfelter said, “but the way he talks to you, you can’t help but believe in him. He left me with a very positive feeling that he’s going to get this done right.”
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