Yes - a bean-counter will decide that the cost-benefit ratio over the expected remaining life span..
Posted By: TechSupport on 2009-03-26
In Reply to: People near retirement age will be put out on the - A.Nonymous
...isn't worth it, and you'll be denied that hip replacement or whatever. So much less expensive to prop you up in a wheelchair and shove you in a corner. They'll poke you tomorrow morning to see if you're dead yet.
And, folks, I'm not kidding.
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You must have missed my point, ju ju bean...sm
There is no coverage of "real" conservative economists in the mainstream media who DO NOT support Obama.
I don't have hours and hours to search to find them....but rest assured, they are there, buried amongst the Yes-Men that have climbed aboard the Obama bandwagon.
Like I said, they are not there amongst the mainstream media. The ones that are "AGAINST" Obama's plan.
Not a "goofy post".The ratio of pedophile priests
try Preparation H over the counter
might help.
Geez....so many points to counter, so little time...
You can't legislate morality. Uhh...yes you can. We have laws against murder, against stealing...legislating morality. Laws against rape and pedophilia...legislating morality. Laws against sex with minors...legislating morality. You HAVE to legislate morality or you have chaos. Good grief.
No, with sex reduced to "expression," encouraged in teens, multiple partners are fine, you don't even have to like the other person...you bet abstinence did not work. And believe me, it was not the bible-thumpin right you complain about that got us in this boat..so look in the mirror and point the finger. But now that we are here...just because something is not working now doesn't mean you can't present it. Not as the only option, but an option. For someone who hawks choice you really don't want to allow anyone else THEIR choice, do you?? So much for democracy. You need to change your party name.
Look how divisive Republicans are? Just because we don't want to lay down and let you shove "progressive ideas" down our throats? Well, if you look at morality today, you have not done such a great job with "choice" have you? except murder 1.2 million babies a year. yeah, you should all be high-fiving each other with a death toll greater than ALL the wars this country ha ever engaged in. High fives all around.
Palin does not want to take away birth control. She just CHOSE not to use it herself. Taking a pot shot at her daughter is just low. But what else would I expect?
Voting Republican IS in my best interests. Someone posted from the tax policy institute, an unbiased source, posted by a democrat, who looked at both candidate's tax policies.
Obama - will raise the middle income by 5% by 2012. Wants $60 billion to give tax cuts to the lowest income class...who ALREADY pay little or no taxes. And how does he want to pay for it? Tax the "rich"...and businesses making $250,000 will be hit by that. Those are NOT large corporations. THose are family businesses, small businesses, who employ thousands of we regular people. How does THAT make ANY kind of sense? That will only result in loss of jobs and more people in that lower bracket!! Which is EXACTLY what the DNC wants. More people on the welfare rolls...more people to control using class warfare. Right in your face and you can't see it.
MCCAIN: Proposes tax cuts for ALL classes and raising the take home pay for middle class by 3%.
Hmm...lemme see? 5% for middle class, more tax cuts for the ones who pay the least already, and tax the small family businesses in this country to pick up the tab...5% for middle class..further take the economy down...OR...tax cuts for EVERYONE and 3% boost in take home for middle class, protect the jobs that small businesses provide and keep those companies alive and on shore.
That is a no-brainer. McCain's plan is better for the country and for an
economy that needs a boost.
Bill Maher is an elitist and has no CLUE what my life is like. As to stupid...he also needs to look in the mirror and point the finger.
"Corporate America treats its employees like slaves. There is no compassion, just greed." Marxist theory, 101. Rampant socialism. And NOT at all true.
Sarah Palin was not born with a spoon in her mouth. She also worked to get where she is. The difference in her is she did not leave it behind her. She talks the talk AND walks the walk. She definitely knows what it is like to be on the ugly end of the stick...and is STILL close to that.
Obama, sending his kids to $10,000 camps...is not.
To counter the DNC assertion that only McCain plays fast and loose with the truth...
apparently he is not alone.
HMMM...check THIS out...
http://obamalies.net/
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5StlCcv84&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&feature=related
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5CQnOn75c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKlQSNN2zo&NR=1
They are still getting benefit from it. sm
On cue, conveniently before the primaries, apparently Osama has taken time off from his job as a bartender in Santa Monica to send the American people another message. You all better vote for those candidates who are tough on those terrorists now.
Oh, we all know who will benefit.....won't be you
Obama has already said "spread the wealth" out of his own mouth. That is socialism 101. Perhaps there is now a book out called "Socialism for Dummies". If not, it will be out soon. Get yourself a copy.
THanks for the info. I think others here could benefit from it also.
Thank you for sharing. I really didn't know that.
Technically, it does benefit someone.... sm
The oil execs, the oil field workers, the gas and oil distributors, the gas station owners, and several ancillary industries do benefit from the higher gas prices. I have a friend who is a consultant in the oil industry at the production level. He was clearing 5 figures a month prior to the reduction in gas prices but has been out of work for the past 6 weeks or so. Granted, he does have a nice little nest egg on which to coast for a while, but he is still a consumer and still is affected by the reduction in oil prices.
I'm not trying to justify the rise in gas prices as being right because it does bring work to a certain sector of the work force, but rather I am just saying that in the oil industry, as with any area of the work force, what may benefit them may not benefit all people. So it will also be with Obama's stimulus package. What puts money in your pocket, for example, may not help me at all or may even adversely affect me.
COuld be, but I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt,,,
and think he was entirely sincere because he loves his family and would not want anyone going after them because he is seeking high office. Good for him!
O will cut taxes for 95% to benefit WC families.
Then ask yourself which group you fall into. If you are in the top 5% economic class or area huge corporation, then by all means you should not vote for O. Take off your party hat and give this some real consideration.
Saturday night we had a benefit
bean supper in our community...guess who cooked the beans? The menu was pinto beans with ham hocks, fried 'taters, cornbread and fruit cobblers. Us downhome folks, about a hundred of us, ate ourselves silly. Only thing missing was the turnip greens. I don't care much for possum, too fat, but if it comes to eating it or going hungry I 'spect I'll develop a better taste for it.
If you had an attention span, you'd know.
On C-Span, they just put on what McCain's
amendment would cost...$420B. It replaces the 600-some pages of the old bill but still includes tax cuts, entitlements, housing assistance, decreasing the tax rate from 35% to 25% so businesses can survive on their own, tax custs for us, and job creation. I still have not found it in writing. Maybe tomorrow.
Amendment 364 is McCain's amendment. They will be voting on it in a couple minutes....unless they get more objections and/or debates that, hopefully, they are all done.
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R) Georgia. "Here we are once again raising the debt ceiling raise by almost a trillion dollars (the package now up for a vote). When is the spending going to stop?"
I'm watching C-SPAN.(nm)
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Are you saying C-Span is garbage now?
I don't think so. It's not a news channel, it's the house and senate bull sessions themselves. Maybe you don't like it because it's real and factual. Is that it?
From what I've seen on C-Span
the dems aren't much better. Take Dodd, Pelosi, Frank, Reid, and my favorite (not!)-Schumer. They don't give a dang about the people, either. Otherwise, they would have listened when the people spoke during the bailouts and stimulus packages.
They would have tried to work with the pubs to pass legislation and be bipartisan. But no, they wanted it their way and their way only.
I watched Schumer make state that the people don't care about the pork in all the packages they passed. Where has he been?
I've watched Dodd lie. I've watched Pelosi think she's the president and to heck with everyone. She wants this and she will get it no matter what she has to do. I've watched Frank sputter and try to fight his way out of lies he was caught in.
I could go on and on, but I'm hopeful that people wise up and when their term for re-election comes up, I hope the people in their state take them down. They have caused most of the problems for this country.
I, for one, will no longer vote of Spector and I told him so. To change in the middle of his term does not sit well with me. He could have waited until it was time to campaign. I feel like he betrayed his constiuents who voted for him. The worse part of the whole deal is that he figured he could not get re-elected without changing parties. Well, he may have just sealed his own fate come re-election.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...
you meant to say Osama Bin Laden and mistakenly said Sadaam Hussein, right?
People, please, please be informed and know the issues before you go to the polls. It's important.
Short attention span?
Short memory span?
Is there a reason why you repeat yourself over and over and over and over and over and over again? Rehashing the same ridiculous complaints over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Why don't you post the butt in a chair thing a few more times? You guys have called us more or less drugged out hippies with references to what we must be smoking, what we must have been doing in the 60s and our hookahs. You ain't exactly perfect. Now if I post this paragraph about ten more times you might get the idea, right?
What I learned today on C-span
(I hope the spacing comes out okay, apologies if not). From C-span here are a couple comments. One by a republican and one by a democrat. It’s good to know that there are people (democrats & republicans alike) who realize this is a bad deal and are looking out for our best interest and not their own.
Rep. Michael Burgess – R. Texas 26th district
Speaker, I come to the floor today to talk about this 700 billion dollar bill that is in front of us. I use the term bill advisedly because we have seen no bill. We are here debating talking points on perhaps one of the largest fundamental change in our nation’s financial system in its history. And house republicans have been cut out of the process. Not only have we been cut out of the process, we have also been derided by the leadership of the democratic party and called unpatriotic for not participating. Mr. Speaker I have been thrown out of more meetings in this capital in the past 24 hours than I ever thought possible as a duly elected representative of 820,000 citizens of North Texas. Mr. Speaker, politics is a full contact sport and I understand that, but it is a full contact sport in the light of day in the public arena. Since we didn’t have hearings, since we didn’t have markups, lets at least put this legislation up on the internet for 24 hours. That’s what Thomas was made for. Lets do that and let the American people see what we have done in the dark of night. After all, I have not gotten any more mail, any more emails on any other subject other than this one that is before us today. Mr. Speaker I understand we are under martial law as declared by the speaker last night. I think its ironic house republicans have not been needed for a single thing in this house to assure passage for the last 22 months. And today we are going to be asked to vote for a bill for political cover because democrats are too weak to stand up to their speaker. I yield back.
Rep. Marcy Kaptur – D. Ohio 9th District
Mr. Speaker, my message to the American people, don’t let congress seal this wall street deal. High financial crimes have been committed. Now congress is being asked to bail out the culprits and to do so at the expense of those who elected us to guard their interest the people of our country. The normal legislative process that should accompany review of a monumental proposal to bail out wall street has been shelved, yes shelved. Only a few insiders are doing the dealing. Sounds like insider trading to me. These criminals have so much political power they can shut down the normal legislative process of the highest law making body in this land. All the committees that should be scanning every word of what is being negotiated are benched, and that means the American people are benched too. We are constitutionally sworn to protect and defend this republic against ALL enemies foreign and domestic, and my friends there are enemies. We are told we will have a trillion dollar bill to review soon and have less than 24 hours with no regular hearings to try to vote on this tar baby. The people pushing this deal are the very same ones who are responsible for the implosion on wall street. They were fraudulent then and they are fraudelent now. We should say no to this deal. I ask my colleagues to join us at 2:00 at HC8 of the capital to meet with some real experts who have done financial resolutions without putting financial burdeon on the taxpayer. Please join us HC8 at 2 p.m.
94 democrats voted against this bill today. That is more than half the democrats, yet they get in front of the camera and give their little speeches about how all democrats are for this and its all the republicans fault this didn’t pass. Hello folks, do the math.
Pelosi has shown how truly inexperienced, divisive and uncaring she. She gets up there and her mouth just flaps with nothing of substance being said. She is incompetent and should be fired. All that came out of her flapping gums today was more bashing of the republicans and accusing them of what democrats have been doing for over 2 years now. Why in the world would you give a speech putting all the blame on people and bash the other political side before a vote is even held. Chalk it up to one more of the numerous reasons she is incompetent and needs to step down. And if she doesn’t step down she should be physically removed. Even the Deputy Minority Whip held up a copy of Pelosi’s floor speech at a press conference and said she had “failed to listen and lead” on the issue.
Then I heard Barney Frank talk. He should be renamed Barney Baloney. He stands and mocks the people who voted against the bill making fun of them. As someone said he may be a funny and clever guy, but there is nothing funny about this situation.
Did anyone even notice today that every time Pelosi and Franks spoke the market dived. When they stopped talking the market started going up. They’d get in front of the camera again and the market started tanking again big time. This happened about 3 or 4 times (I was watching it on a split screen). At that point you would have thought the President would have called over and told them to shut up because they were tanking the market.
Kucinich (democrat) said the ones who caused this are the one who are giving us a line (Pelosi, Franks, Kerry, Dodd).
Truth is this $700B is not enough. This is a small part of what is needed. Many people are saying it's more like close to a trillion. After this they’ll say well we need this much more, then that much more, and before we know it we’re going to be paying more than just $10,500.
There are economists and educated people who are asking for a decent bill. But do they consult them. They are the ones with the knowledge and ideas to get us out of the mess. No who do they get – Pelosi, Franks, Dodd, etc – the people who did this in the first place).
All I can see is both candidates are more interested in getting themselves elected than what is happening with the economy so don’t even try to say one is worse than the other. I cannot say what Obama is saying because I’m not hearing anything from him except that he keeps saying it needs to be fixed, but I’m not hearing his specific viewpoints on the bill itself (and I'm not hearing McCain's specifics either). Specifics would be good if I'm suppose to vote for one or the other in November.
Auto Bailout is on C-Span. If you
want to watch it tonight, it will be on at 8 p.m. In the meantime, the plans of GM and Ford are online.
I feel sorry for the Chryler guy. He seems to be the most honest and wants the least amount of money. Sen. Corker - TN told him right out he doubts Chrysler is going to make it even with the money and they should just be bought out by someone and leave the company go.
He was also tough on the UAW Gettlefinger (or whatever his name is). I don't blame him there. The guy was squirming but he kept talking about all the concessions hurting the workers; i.e., not willing to make concessions.
Hope the link works.
Right now on C-Span, they are holding hearings
for the auto bailout. It's just starting.
So Jimmy Buffet does a benefit concert for Obama.
How is this a division of the races? There are all different races in this country ya' know.
C-Span is airing the Geithner nomination now.
I am sure he is going to get the job. Some reps are not happy with his tax debaucle, but we cannot afford to drag this out for weeks to try and find someone who would be a better fit.
I'm not happy with this choice at all. Sure wish I would've known about his failure to pay taxes before he was nominated by O, then we could all use the excuse that we forgot to pay our taxes, too. I wonder how many people ARE going to use this excuse at tax time.
C-Span had a rerun of the senate yesterday on AIG
According to Schumer and Klobuchar, they are sending a letter to AIG Liddy (sp) to tell them to renegotiate the bonuses or give the bonus money back, or else they will draft a LAW and take immediate steps to impose a tax as high as 91% on these bonuses.
I don't know how they can do that, although I would like to see it happen. But if they can break the contracts for AIG, then they can break any contract at will. That's a bit scary.
Screaming was to give you the benefit of the doubt because you acted like you were deaf.
Instead it's obvious you're just dumb.
Go to your own board. You're not wanted here.
So, rich tax cuts expire, middle class gets benefit,
will undermine, erode and ultimately vaporize capitalist money/greed ambition and incentive to produce, but keep minimum wage workers at sub-living-wage levels and expect them to have exhibit impeccible work ethic and slave away 24/7 with no complaints? I think I got it now.
Short attention span explains alliance with Bush.
Now it's all starting to make sense. See article. Don't bother to read article. Form knee-jerk negative opinion based on prejudice against liberals rather than facts. Refuse to read/accepts facts (too time consuming). Ignore all gray areas in life; deal in only black and white. Vote for Bush. When things get worse, vote for him again because neocons are never wrong.
This should help you decide
We haven't even begun to pay the piper - We can't afford it!
If you think it sounds extreme, it is. But if you do your own research, you'll hear his own words saying he'll literally bankrupt the coal industry. The MSM somehow "managed" to forget about this way back from January 2008! He said our electricity bills will "skyrocket!" This is disturbing! Right or left, the media has no right to pull this crap. They aren't even shy about their lovefest over this guy. This isn't journalism. There's a big difference between news reporters and commentators.
Our utility rates are already high enough. Why would anyone want to pay even one dime more? Someone please tell me their desire to do so. Google NE coal miners, etc., and you should find more info.
Good luck to you.
I don't decide..
God does. Come back to me when you can comprehend simple English.
I would think twice before you decide -
to proclaim you know who on this board is black and who isn't.
I'm black and I take offense that people like you will get on this board professing what race someone is or isn't.
The fact is you do not have a clue as to what the black communities would think is funny and what is not. There are some of us that would laugh and others who would take offense. Just like any white person who would laugh at certain jokes and take offense at others.
Maybe you should stop trying to pretend you are defending the people in the black community because you are doing a poor job of it and showing how much of a racist you are.
You have no idea what our communities or we are like.
Maybe you should stick to posting your propaganda and stop claiming to know what race everyone on this board is.
Of course I expected you to.
You said you wouldn't be.
To whom much is given, much is expected.nm
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To whom much is given, much is expected...
oh, that doesn't apply to you...forgot.
just as I expected
So I didn't bash the GOP quite enough? Oh, please. They (GOP) spent like crazed fools, and they deserved to be punished big-time! I've read enough of your posts in the past. You're one of the reasons I quit reading the politics section of this board. The only thing of interest to me is whatever occurs MQ-wise. As for the tax and spend reality, I repeat my "tax challenge" to everyone here to keep track as the days, months, and years play out.
The numbers aren't emotional, and will speak for themselves. If you can list any taxes that the Dems have lowered or eradicated, go ahead and give it your best shot.
You expected something other than that....(sm)
from Fox? This is a perfect example of the fear generating machine that is Fox News.
there is for their family to decide ... and ..
apparently they did just that. What is right for them very well may not be right for others.
I just think it's a shame people won't let this go and focus on the issues!
Well, unlike some, I don't decide what to think...
depending on what the candidate I support says. If he is fine with it, that's fine. That is up to him. I would just like to see some integrity again. She knows she has a conflict of interest, she should take care of it herself. She should have turned it down when asked. Because that would have been the right thing to do.
It has nothing to do with protecting Palin. I don't think Palin needs protecting. In fact, I wish they would quit trying to make a 30-year statesman out of her and let her be herself.
Tell me...what have all these savvy politicians who look good on camera and are so articulate (except for the every other day size 13 in the mouth)...what exactly have those statesmen done for us to this point? Only get us in the worst financial crisis since the depression. The fact that she is so UNLIKE them is one of the biggest things in her favor so far as I am concerned.
And yes, if she was first on the ticket, I would vote for HER before I would vote for Barack Obama. In a heartbeat. Immediately. Wish I lived in Ohio so I could do it TODAY.
Why should any human being have the right to decide...
whether another is allowed to live? You honestly don't find a problem with that? What will your thought be when they decide that when people are not useful to society anymore they just be euthanized? It's legal in Holland; you can have grandpa put down. Don't think it can't happen here...because when you start to devalue human life, no matter what level that is on...you start down a very slippery slope.
You keep saying the government meddle in a woman's life...what about the baby? What about that life, who can't speak for itself, can't defend itself, can't run? Picture someone chasing a toddler around a room that the toddler can't escape from, slicing pieces off until its dead? That is somehow more palatable because it hasn't been born yet?? Sorry, Amanda...to ME that is the underlying question here. The VICTIM in all this is the CHILD.
That's tough to decide.
I like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Hate snow, afraid of volcanoes, and can't take heat anymore. Hubby has been wanting to move to Canada for years. He likes snow and mountains.
I also like Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia. They're cold but I like the sea.
Maybe I can find an nice island halfway between the extremes I posted? Any suggestions? LOL
Why don't you let your kids decide for themselves
what they want to do. I'm glad I had responsible parents who taught me right from wrong, watched me grow, get married, but I also know that if I wanted to be gay they would love me still the same.
Unfortunately too many parents try to control every single aspect of their kids life, and the kids grow up as biggoted and unloving as their parents. Of course I'm not saying that is you, but you just see it too many times on TV.
Parents believe one thing, so they force their kids to believe the same thing, when all along the parents were pretty messed up.
You need to teach your kids on the different lifestyles people in America have and that's why it makes a great nation (or would you rather have the public floggings of gays like they do in the other countries because they don't share the same viewpoints as you). You need to teach your kids the different lifestyles and what it means as a lifestyle for them. Then let them make their own decisions as to what life they wish to choose for themselves.
You need to stop telling people to get a clue because you obviously don't have one.
I am not in your life....I am in the life of the baby...
and will continue to speak for the baby. Again, my right.
Wow, Democrat. I expected more from you. SM
 It gets personal because it's made personal. How you can't see that, I am not quite sure. As for your statement elsewhere that AG and I had left before, nope. Sorry, didn't happen. I didn't say I wasn't coming back either. Anyways, how much more personal can you get than wishing someone to die, and I am not talking about the president. It happened but the posts are gone. We all responded to the person who told Nan she was old and going to die and burn in hell. So I guess that's not personal, huh? Tell me how many times you have seen one of us do that. As far as debate, we give as good as we get. I thought you knew that, but guess I was wrong yet again. Oh well, live and learn!
Gee, who could have expected that would happen. nm
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Exactly the response I would have expected....
if you see no difference in the way conservative posters are treated vs the way Dem posters are treated...I would not expect you to understand. It is not condescending. It is the simple truth. Your party preaches inclusion, it preaches individual freedoms, it preaches freedom of speech...yet those who post here do everything in their power to quell it, including piling on and attacking everyone who disagrees. And the more you refuse to back down, the worse they get. So they talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. That is a double standard.
82.93% Nader..Not at all what I expected...nm
Your comments are expected, ...the next
poster was correct...useless to talk to any Obama supporter sometimes at all. Why should I type out ad nauseum all of Obama's statements, when you don't remember them at all, and them blame me for "obviously not remembering." cheap shot, yet again.
You should really listen to Rush sometime. You might learn something and expand your mind. But wait, liberals think with their hearts, not their minds.
Cancel that. Just carry on with your own, bigoted opinions.
Yep -Responses from the very ones I expected.
You all are SO predictable.
TTYL...I'm off to do something constructive for our country....
Not very cost effective, is it? nm
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