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Yes, I heard about the woman who committed suicide... Posted By: sam on 2008-07-24 In Reply to: Time to take out the trash - Pen name pending and invoking the poor woman to beat me over the head with is the height of nastiness. But about what I would expect from you. I hardly think it was every Republicans' fault it happened, but you sure wanna blame them. Hmmm...hating a whole group of people...sounds like bigot to me. I suppose you saw the bit about the illegal immigrant in San Francisco who offed a man and his two sons with an AK-47 in a road rage incident? Maybe you would like to talk to his widow and their mother your take on illegals and how they should enjoy the benefits of citizens. If Mayor Newsom hadn't declared San Fran a sanctuary city and told the police not to work with ICE, that particular illegal would have been deported or in jail a long time ago, since he had 3 or 4 felonies and 3 or 4 recent arrests. A citizen, for pete's sake, would have already been in jail a LONG time ago. So please, if you are going to invoke the poor woman who committed suicide to make your point of hatred of Republicans (which has nothing to do with why the woman committed suicide...she committed suicide because she had kept the degree of the problem away from her husband and he had no idea his house was about to be auctioned off...tell the WHOLE story...which is still a horrible situation but not hardly all Republicans' fault...good grief)...anyway, allow me to invoke the illegal who slaughtered three innocent citizens with an AK-47 for no good reason (as if there was a good reason for slaughtering 3 innoncent people)...which EXACTLY illustrates my point. Gavin Newsom, poster child for the far left, has the blood of those three people on his hands tonight because he IS directly responsible, unlike the millions of Republicans in this country you want to charge with that woman's death. I hope Mr. Newsom has sense enough (to use your lovely words) to be embarrassed and SICKENED by that. But I won't hold my breath. You have all that hatred churning around in you for an entire group of people just because they are of a thought process different from yours...you once graced me with the definition of bigot, so right back at you: bigot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. (your picture should be in Webster next to the definition) You said: "The pubs really can be a cold-blooded, mean-spirited bunch of blankety-blanks, being blind to the misery of all the hoi polloi." "(a mere 12 hours after Bush got his rocks off in the middle of all those laughing pubs)" (wow, you slipped off the highbrow intellectual vocabulary there GW) Those two quotes (there are way too many more to go hunt) meet the definition of bigot as you posted it to me. And you either don't have the sense (as you accuse me) to realize you are the very thing you accuse me of, or you know dang well you are a bigot and don't care. I would guess the former. I don't think you have any idea you are a bigot, and that's just sad. You say I am a bigot because of my stand on immigration...I am NOT against legal immigration and have no problem with immigrants as a whole...a point MS miss the point (your words) that you continue to ignore...so that blows your bigot argument right out of the water. But...sigh...ya can't see the forest for the trees. And no, you did NOT answer my question, because you can't. And that frustrates you, just like it frustrated Obama to be asked the same question by the darling of the left Katie Couric...at least she had the guts to ask, I give her that...and he never DID answer her. Because, like you...he couldn't. You painted yourself into the corner...I didn't put you there. And finally, dear whoeveryouare, hatred is a wasted emotion and hurts the hater much worse than the hatee. See ya! Complete Discussion Below: marks the location of current message within thread Question, GT/GW/BW.... - sam aka spiteful little vixen In all honesty.... - Just Me I appreciate your point of view, Just Me.... - sam Ok - still confused - Just me I second that emotion - GT/GW/BW Right on - Just Me Too busy for blather and babble... - GT/GW/BW Hi! - Zville MT Greetings Zville - GT/GW/BW Hi Zvlle MT... - sam Typical, retreat without answering a simple question under ANY of your many names... - sam aka spiteful little vixen Time to take out the trash - Pen name pending Yes, I heard about the woman who committed suicide... - sam What do you mean - just me In a nutshell.... - sam The messages you are viewing are archived/old. To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select the boards given in left menu Other related messages found in our database I heard a woman describe the USA as an eagle.  An eagle needs both a left wing and a right wing to fly.  I've seen John McCain work with democrats and reach across the aisle.  I have not seen that from Barrack Obama.  I just do not feel that our country needs someone who is so far to one side and I feel that Barrack Obama is an extreme left kind of guy.  We need someone who is more in the middle. I'm a woman, and supported Hillary 'til I heard Obama I don't pick a candidate by their gender, their color, their name, their religion, or anything else. I pick a candidate by their intelligence, ability to lead, and one whom the rest of the world will be more likely to listen & relate to. After the last 4 years, I've watched big companies get TAX BREAKS and INCENTIVES for shipping our work overseas. I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and I'm close to needing section-8 housing and food stamps because my pay won't get me much in this country, anymore. Ever notice that just about EVERYTHING you buy these days is made in China? Yet try and find those same products made in the USA. Impossible. So no, I want a candidate that I can look up to and be proud of, not one like Dubya, who's made me embarrased to be an American for the past 8 years. It's not that he had sex, he committed perjury It's not JUST that he lied to the American people (you're right...he could've kept his mouth shut then), but it's the fact he also lied UNDER OATH which is a crime for which he was rightly impeached. Now, when a Republican shakes his foot in a bathroom then suddenly his sex life becomes impeachable fodder to the libs, but don't pick on poor Bill Clinton!  He's different! In my view either they're all held to the same standard or they're not, and if you say that Republicans should be held to a higher standard simply because they profess *values* then you're admitting liberal Democrats have none.  Can't have it both ways. I never said that he committed a crime... nor did I ever say I found him personally offensive. I do not believe that he will make a good president because I disagree with his stance on most of the issues that I find important. I also believe that he made a lot of promises that he can never keep because he does not have that power. Personally, I am not all that into the birth certificate thing because I think he probably is a natural born citizen. I find it hard to believe that he would have made it this far were he not. Why is it okay for people to dislike Bush, but I MUST like Obama? Hmm another suspicious suicide?...sm **Margie Schoedinger died of a gunshot wound to the head in 2003, nine months after filing the suit. The Harris County Medical Examiner's office has ruled the death a suicide.** This is another difference between democrats and republicans. Where is the democratic conspiracy machine when you need them? Are they sure she just wasn't trying suicide? x Suicide is illegal..... but how do you prosecute? sorry, but I find this morbidly funny. If someone wants to end their life, they will. He invaded a country and committed horrible atrocities there... we beat him back, should have taken him in the first Gulf war.  But we're always going overboard trying to be nice and where does that get us?  Same place it got us with N. Korea.  Jimmy Carter barters a deal with them for food, and they take the money and use it to build nukes.  Where's the outrage over that?  Sometimes a people just cannot rise up and oust a dictator.  They need help.  And now the time has come for them to quit squabbling amongst themselves and make something out of their country.  Let's not forget how many years it took for Japan and Germany to get on their feet.  We need to give them a little more time.  Heck, this country dissolved into civil war after 100 years.  Time and patience. Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia: You can support the troops but not the president. --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years. --Joe Scarborough (R-FL) Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life? --Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99 [The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy. --Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy. --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy. --Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush (words are really too big to have been spoken by GWB) I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning ... I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area. --Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is . --Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) Funny thing is, we won that war without a single AMERICAN killed in action.  Bush can't make that claim now!  And where is HIS exit strategy? Do you think Bush committed perjury with the American people? or is that just "business as usual" to go to war without any truth whatsoever.  Hmmm....perjury.... out and out lies.... how far do you want to go with the truth?  Perjury versus death......I take perjury, thank you very much.  By the way, when, if ever, do you think Bush will ever have to tell the truth, or is just a waste of time asking for the truth as someone else posted he will be out of office soon, so let him go....yada yada yada.  But I will say that the Dems have to get their backs up and get on him big time.....so tired of lie after lie after humungous lie from this admin, and I couldn't be happier that he will be leaving, if we are still the United States of America as I knew it when I was growing up... that United States of America is long gone thanks to liars like Bush and his ilk. Perjury....hmmm. Once I found out John McCain committed adultery claiming "he made a mistake" I never trusted him.  Once a cheater, pretty much always a cheater.  If he can't take wedding vows seriously, then how could he possibly take running this country and being true to the American people seriously?  Trust is a huge issue.  I now trust the American people and I've always trusted that Barack Obama was in it to "win it."  What a battleground for him to endure.  I think that it is up to all of us to make this a better country, not just the President.  We all have work to do.  I believe that this historical moment in our society will give us the change we need.  It will empower people, young, old, and of any nationality to become winners.  As far as spreading the wealth, yes, I believe that is the key, but wealth doesn't necessarily come in a monetary sense.  It comes from the heart.  When you are happy and your country is happy, that is being wealthy.  We can thank our forefathers and the beautiful soil in which we prosper for what we have today.  I have way more than my parents ever had, and am thankful for that.  We will prosper because "yes we can."  The key word here is "we."  Oregon allows assisted suicide---not compassionate euthanasia. the person being euthanized must be coherent, terminally ill and willing. Why don't women have a right to choose suicide? Why is it a woman can chose to murder an unborn child because it's "her body" - a scientific impossibility... But if that woman decided to kill HERSELF - when it actually IS her body - it's a crime. You promote abortion. The fact that you don't want to admit it proves that somewhere in your dank, shriveled-up little soul, there's at least one ounce of decency that knows what you're professing is wrong. You are pro-abortion. You're just in denial about it. LIke every other "proud Liberal" lunatic. And Israel loves those suicide bombers. Your posts are disquieting. Why do you defend Hezbollah? Recession, Suicide and Tips from the Government! This isn't terribly reassuring! Government website now offers 'suicide warning signs' for victims of recession John Byrne Published: Tuesday March 31, 2009 When the government starts warning you not to commit suicide, you know things have gotten bad. The US Department of Health and Human Services now has a webpage for the current recession, "Getting Through Tough Economic Times." Headlined under the Substance Abuse & Mental Health Services Administration (www.samhsa.gov/economy/), the guide offers tips on "how to deal with the effects financial difficulties can have on your physical and mental health." The site went public Tuesday. The remainder of the story is at:  http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Government_website_offers_suicide_warning_signs_0331.html High Court upholds Oregon Assisted Suicide Law (It's interesting to note that Roberts was a good, obedient little Justice as he hung on to Scalia's coattails and supported the Bush administration.  I can't help but believe if Alito had been installed now, the decision most certainly would have been 5-4, instead of 6-3.  I thought that Republicans were in favor of states' rights.  Guess not.  In this case, the citizens of the state voted for this law.  We're only one Bush LIFETIME appointment away from the end of freedom of self-determination. High Court upholds Ore. assisted suicide law January 17, 2006 BY GINA HOLLAND ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON-- The Supreme Court upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law Tuesday, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.

Justices, on a 6-3 vote, said that a federal drug law does not override the 1997 Oregon law used to end the lives of more than 200 seriously ill people. New Chief Justice John Roberts backed the Bush administration, dissenting for the first time.

The administration improperly tried to use a drug law to punish Oregon doctors who prescribe lethal doses of prescription medicines, the court majority said.

Congress did not have this far-reaching intent to alter the federal-state balance, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for himself, retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer.

Kennedy is expected to become a more influential swing voter after O'Connor's departure. He is a moderate conservative who sometimes joins the liberal wing of the court in cases involving such things as gay rights and capital punishment.

The ruling was a reprimand to former Attorney General John Ashcroft, who in 2001 said that doctor-assisted suicide is not a legitimate medical purpose and that Oregon physicians would be punished for helping people die under the law.

Kennedy said the authority claimed by the attorney general is both beyond his expertise and incongruous with the statutory purposes and design.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for himself, Roberts and Justice Clarence Thomas, said that federal officials have the power to regulate the doling out of medicine.

If the term 'legitimate medical purpose' has any meaning, it surely excludes the prescription of drugs to produce death, he wrote.

Scalia said the court's ruling is perhaps driven by a feeling that the subject of assisted suicide is none of the federal government's business. It is easy to sympathize with that position.

Oregon's law covers only extremely sick people-- those with incurable diseases and who are of sound mind, and after at least two doctors agree they have six months or less to live.

For Oregon's physicians and pharmacists, as well as patients and their families, today's ruling confirms that Oregon's law is valid and that they can act under it without fear of federal sanctions, state Solicitor General Mary Williams said.

The ruling backed a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which said Ashcroft's unilateral attempt to regulate general medical practices historically entrusted to state lawmakers interferes with the democratic debate about physician-assisted suicide.

Ashcroft had brought the case to the Supreme Court on the day his resignation was announced by the White House in 2004. The Justice Department has continued the case, under the leadership of his successor, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

The court's ruling was not a final say on federal authority to override state doctor-assisted suicide laws-- only a declaration that the current federal scheme did not permit that. However, it could still have ramifications outside of Oregon.

This is a disappointing decision that is likely to result in a troubling movement by states to pass their own assisted suicide laws, said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, which backed the administration.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and a supporter of the law, said the ruling has stopped, for now, the administration's attempts to wrest control of decisions rightfully left to the states and individuals.

Thomas wrote his own dissent as well, to complain that the court's reasoning was puzzling. Roberts did not write separately.

Justices have dealt with end-of-life cases before. In 1990, the Supreme Court ruled that terminally ill people may refuse treatment that would otherwise keep them alive. Then, justices in 1997 unanimously ruled that people have no constitutional right to die, upholding state bans on physician-assisted suicide. That opinion, by then-Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, said individual states could decide to allow the practice.

Roberts strongly hinted in October when the case was argued that he would back the administration. O'Connor had seemed ready to support Oregon's law, but her vote would not have counted if the ruling was handed down after she left the court.

The case is Gonzales v. Oregon, 04-623.

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An eagle also needs to land sooner or later. Barak is neither left or right. Yes, he does lean a bit to the left, but for years we've had Bush lean to the extreme right thanks to his righteous evangelical radicals. This scares me a lot more. Please read and enlighten yourselves. Those of you who are still undecided are to be pitied. This campaign has been going on for so long, if you still don't know who to vote for....I would say you have a hell of a problem. Take your blinders off, Falwell is dead and I wish Limbaugh was too. The American people have brainwashed themselves and they like it. There are other great countries in the world, not just the U.S. They are proud patriots also and believe their country is the best. So wake up, READ about history and other countries. I live in a country that I would bet hardly of you know, let alone the capital. The country is called Canada and the capital is Ottawa. I too am proud of my country and I think IT IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!  Stop listening to those stupid radio talk shows who are nearly all republican........get a life. Vote for Barack, my God you folks need a change!!!

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abort with no questions asked because it is her uterus and no one's business.  Yet you wish to take away the rights of people who don't believe in abortion and work in the medical field.  No job should require you to do something that you find unethical.  If you want to abort your child....fine....that is your decision and one that you will have to answer for and live with.  So many people are on here screaming about their rights and how dare their rights be taken away.  Forcing someone in the medical field to be involved in something they feel is unethical......isn't that taking away their rights.  They have a right to refuse.  There are other people in the medical field who would willingly perform an abortion....so why force those who find it unethical?  That is just wrong. 

Hi American Woman!  Come on back here regularly.  We have some really good liberal posters now.  Yes, Im in CA.  The fires are all around me but havent come to the desert yet (where I am).  They have been moving towards the ocean instead (opposite direction).  With a change of the wind, though, the fires could change direction, then they would come over the Sierra Nevada Mountains to get to the desert.  About two years ago a fire came up over the mountains and you could see it from my house and the air was thick with smoke and soot.  Was quite scary..but the firefighters were able to get it out.  Yup, CA, the land of mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, torrential rains (when it does rain..smile).  So good to hear from ya..Come on back here.  The board isnt the same without ya. :o).

vote for a man who calls his wife a "cu_t" and a trollope?

I don't get it. This is his wife- supposedly the one he loves. Apparently doesn't respect!

What does he believe about other women?

Where on earth do you get your so-called news?  Moveon, Kos, or DemocraticUnderground?

If you care to ignore the teachings of Saul Alinsky, what do you think about his "church" associations?

Bill O'Reilly will be doing "The Obama Chronicles" on his show this week (or however long it runs), starting with Wm Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn. 

If you're looking for documented accuracy, Rush Limbaugh is certified 98%-ish right.  I hear it so often that the way it's said escapes me, but the libs know it, too.  That's only one reason they hate him so much.  Of course, the first is that he's got over 20 million listeners.  Nobody can touch those numbers.  Incidentally, I'm one of them. 

so that obviously makes her stupid and even though she has more experience than Barrack Obama......he has promised change and that is all they hear.  Hang a mannequin by a rope dressed like her and that is okay....just silly Halloween pranks.  Just don't do that to one looking like Obama because you will be charged and end up in jail.  Always double standards. 

You can't hang a black man because that is racist, but go ahead and hang a white woman because obviously that isn't sexist at all.  Makes me sick.

i also believe that homosexual marriage will grow the economy in ways no one will ever imagine.  It's too bad you don't believe in change.  Women have for many rights why not the right to bear or not bear a child if she so sees fit.  No one knows everyone's circumstances.  When you stand before God and take those vows it means for better or for worse, not "if I feel like cheating I will." 

If anyone posted on here that their husband was cheating; everyone would say counseling or dump him!  Why not McCain????  How is he better?

I won't go into abortion because I feel a woman has a choice.  If you want backyard hacks killing young mothers in a nonclinical setting, go right ahead and try to have abortion illegalized.  Also, get ready to pay for the welfare... 

Thanks Brunson for you objective views....it is refreshing.  You know how to respectfully post and carry on an adult conversation.

The only reason I am posting here is to state this even though it's blatantly obvious American Woman is not me. 

I read here, but I don't post here.  I might post my responses to posts here on the C board....but other than to clarify like I'm doing now I don't post here....I made a mistake on Friday posting here, but I got my boards mixed up.  Have a great day!

You have added much to the liberal board.  Don't let them run you off. That's what they come here for.  Don't give them what they want.