Yep, it's not hard to believe that the neocon
Posted By: Democrat on 2005-08-23
In Reply to: That's their favorite tactic! sm - sm
Limberger is a liar in the midst of all of his drama how can he keep a story straight?
He probably forgets half of it anyway, that's the drug effect.
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Bye bye neocon
GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD, FOR PETE SAKE, GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD, WE DONT WANT YOU HERE.
Bye bye, neocon
Bye, bye, neocon..you have been told quite a few times to stay off the liberal board..IMHO save yourself from grief and angst..dont read this board, dont post on this board, dont come on this board..
Neocon.
I always thought neocon mean the **new and improved version** the *reenergized*, the uber-conservative.
We are the ones who think what is causing so much of the problem is the attitude of the American left.
The true conservative is not faint of heart, and we've still got a lot of fight left in us...for the the actual war and for the fight against the extreme leftists who have now unashamedly positioned themselves as a roadblock in the effort.
The above statements you made are what I was referring to about the maligning the left. These hawkiest of the hawks are backpeddaling which is a huge shock to me, but you think the problem is **the American left** who have **positioned themselves as a roadblock.**
I, on the other hand, think these guys mentioned in the article said they felt the administration was incompetent. Perleman said he still thought his own philosophy about spreading democracy and using a dominant military was the right way to go; he has just discovered that this administration can't do it. I believe he said, verbatim, it's a good idea but we have to throw it in the Can't Do drawer because it is over, at least for a generation. None of these guys mentioned the left as being part of the problem; they laid it squarely on the shoulders of this administration.
One more thing, neocon
Furthermore, no one is asking you conservatives to leave the board because of **my tender feelings**..I only know these people through their posts, why would they ask you to leave because of me..What I post and my beliefs, I DEFEND THEM AND DO NOT ASK ANYONE ELSE TO **GANG UP WITH ME** against conservatives which is not like your ilk, who always gang up with your conservative cohorts on the liberal board against the liberals. Whatever reason anyone on the liberal board asks you to leave is NOT BECAUSE OF GT..Maybe in your psyche it is easier to take, thinking..well, they only ask us to leave because of **GT's tender feelings**..Well, that is not the reason..I have never asked anyone on the liberal board to back me up or to ask you conservatives to leave..It is their opinions, beliefs and feelings and I have mine..When they ask you to leave they do so for their own reasons, NOT MINE.
Actually no, that isn't what Neocon means at all. sm
And I wasn't the one who wrote the things you are responding to, but here is a really good definition of Neocon and perhaps you can see why AG and I and others have stridently objected to being labeled Neocon in the past. Though I have some Neocon friends and I admire most of their beliefs, I am no Neocon. Neither, for that matter, is President Bush, who has been labeled a neocon ad nauseum on these boards.
From Chris Jones:
It would appear that you are unfamiliar with the history of the neo-conservative movement, a history which explains why some folks associate it with Jews and why the use of “neo-con” as a pejorative seems to some to smell of anti-Semitism.
The original “neo-conservatives” were a group of left-of-center intellectuals who became disillusioned with their liberal politics and became conservatives — mostly, but not exclusively, on foreign policy and national security issues. Many, but not all, of these intellectuals were Jewish, and the “center of gravity” of the nascent neo-conservative movement was Commentary magazine and its editors and writers. Prominent among the early neo-conservatives were Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz (who are Jewish) and Jeanne Kirkpatrick (who is (I think) a Gentile). Commentary magazine played the role in the neo-conservative movement that was played by National Review in the broader conservative intellectual movement of the 1960s and 1970s.
The contemporary conservative journalists Bill Kristol and John Podhoretz are the sons of the early neo-conservatives Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.
The defining characteristic of neo-conservatism, properly so called, is a belief in a robustly activist foreign policy by people who were formerly left-of-center. The movement is associated with Jewish-ness because many of its early leading lights happened to be Jews; but Jewish-ness is accidental to the movement, not characteristic of it. To use “neo-con” as a sort of vaguely anti-Semitic slur is not only dishonorable, but a misuse of language. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen, though.
Another cut and paste from a neocon rag
Boy, you are a slow learner. You complain to another poster that the NY Times is liberal slanted yet you cut and paste from you right-wing neocon rags (I know you don't like the neocon label but too bad). You make it appear this is your original thinking. You post this stuff like it's your original writing and thinking but it's all cut and paste or right-wing propanda. I think you get 1 star on this one but you get high marks for crazed and annoying persistence and perserveration.
You evidently don't know what a NeoCon is.
She is not one of them. Why do you think Bush & Cheney and other NeoCons are upset by this pick.
Is this what the democrat party has turned into...hateful, mean-spirited, sour, and jealous. Your comments are about the lowest I have seen in a long time.
The only thing I can think of is that you thought because Bush was such a horrible president and everyone hates him that Barack and Joe would just be able to waltz in and take over. Now the republicans have a good VP candidate and there is more and more discussions about how JM has just elevated his chances of winning. The more people are learning about her the more they are like her and all reports for both conservative and liberals are in agreement with one thing...this is an amazing lady and definitely qualified to become the first woman president in history.
You are just grasping at straws trying to invent things that are not true and just stir up trouble.
Your comments are so juvenile. I just say thank goodnes at least I'm not in grammar school anymore.
Neocon human shield
You are the one who is so PRO WAR, why dont you become a human shield and go to Iraq and help the unfortunate people we have destroyed and stop spouting your hate and baloney here. Im anti war, 100% and anti Bush for sure..I hope Bush rots in hell along with his family because they could have talked some sense into him. They all should go to Iraq if they believe so much in the *noble mission*..Oh, wait a minute, what is the mission? WMD?, Nah, liberating Iraq and creating a Demcracy, nah, never gonna happen.
Typical NeoCon spincrud
NOBODY KNOWS for a FACT what is causing climate change on earth. It's just as much propaganda to hear one side as the other on the matter. Not surprising however that NeoCons would find outrageous the fact that anyone might want to take some action to lessen the human impact on the planet in hopes of preserving some part of it for future generations. Oh, how EVIL! Oh, the dark awful motivations of people who want to CLEAN THE AIR and restore some balance to our atmosphere.
Besides that the article is ridiculously stupid. It harps on KILLER hurricanes. Oooh killer hurricanes are DECREASING DECREASING.
Interesting fact ANYONE can figure out for themselves: Hurricane ANDREW (note the first letter) struck on an August 29. First hurricane of the season that year. On August 29.
Note Katrina's first letter: K. That makes her the 11TH hurricane of this year. On August 29.
While the category 4's and 5's are rare, the instance for having them at all is VASTLY INCREASED WHEN THE NUMBER OF HURRICANES THAT COULD BECOME ONE ARE VASTLY INCREASED. Last year and this year both have shown an astonishing upsurge in the NUMBER of hurricanes were are experiencing per season. Since hurricanes are born in the hot air over the African desert, the fact that the desert is expanding by leaps and bounds due to an upward trend in temperatures in that region virtually guarantees we will be having more and more hurricanes that have a chance to develop into killers under just the right conditions.
Nobody knows if global warming is responsible for the expansion of the Sahara or the melting of the polar glaciers, or if the worldwide phenomenon is due to mankind's effects or is just a natural cycle we can't avert. WHO CARES. If some educated people believe they know a way we can HELP the situation why do NeoCons want to thwart them? Oh, right, because corporations might lose money. Our oil economy might burp. So, let's just pooh the world away why don't we. Let's make it a political game and let our arrogant pride hold out for the sake of nothing but holding out. That's the NeoCon game!
Another neocon lie. GT has repeatedly tried to debate
in an intelligent non-bashing manner, but you people can't stand that.
Just go to page #11 and see the posts on 7/20 and 7/21 where she took MT's abuse, let it roll off her back and tried to debate with her, watched as MT was close to having a seizure and then told her to chill.
Reading the archives is interesting. LOL. Even see one where MT denies being a conservative and then says she'll never post here again. 
another ignorant post from a neocon
Your accusation that because Im liberal/democrat/anti war and so I smoke reefer shows your ignorance..PERIOD..I dont post in broad generalizations and I ask you to show me where I have..PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE POSTED IN BROAD GENERALIZATIONS OR LIES. And, I once again ask you to show me the news reports of where there was a stench in the DC mall because of the anti war people or the anti war people in your town do not bathe and stink..Show me the stories..Waiting for the proof..sure hope you can post it, otherwise guess you are discredited and proven to be a liar (so what else is new, conservative=liar)..Guess you need to find another handle to post under the liberal board, LOL.
Have you seen the neocon think tank's web page?sm
This is who supplies Bush with most of his ideas. Take a look at the PNAC's members list.
www.newamericancentury.org
Also, take a look at:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Their plan is for super power and extensive wars. Lebanon is simply a pretext to invading Iran,just like they used 911 to invade Afghanistan (but really wanted to attack Iraq not for WMD but for their energy resources). Doing a little more research you will also find the USA Patriot Act was written before 9-11.
And you demonstrate neocon policies.
Lying and attacking and personal insults. You can't defend the issues because your theory is indefensible.
Again, this is the liberal board. We're not here to please you.
You are still misusing the term Neocon. sm
Not that you will stop, but it is irritating.
From one post you figure someone is a neocon...
geez. Post a clip, so people can see the whole context of what was said. Then let them decide. After all the ripping of Sarah Palin, you seize on this? Walls shattering in your glass house there, friend.
Neocon, I think you are posting on the wrong board
GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD, FOOL..we dont want you here.
Coulter - Acerbic Neocon Banshee.sm
This woman has nerve calling anyone Godless when she supports an administration commiting genocide throughout the world. The 911 truth movement is getting stronger every day, so it does not surprise me she is attacking 911 widows. Her most priceless statement was, they ought to just take the money and shut up on MSNBC last night.
Most on the left misuse the term neocon. sm
I think they just like the sound of it, especially the *con* part.
Pay close attention. The question was about pub/NeoCon
Do the conservatives have any clue about how to address these issues, other than run from them. This is a yes or no question.
Nice 2 C fascism is alive and well in NeoCon USA.
Keep this up and the only thing Obama will have to do to win the election is keep breathing.
Williams confronts neocon pundit Kristol.sm
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/16/kristol-williams/
NeoCon cult vision promotes more fear.
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Yeah, right. Creating a NeoCon parallel universe
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Careful! Some neocon troll might twist your post into a threat!!!
More delusions of grandeur from the NCFC (Neocon/femocon) fringe.
su
Luckily, your foul tricks won't work this time. Begone, NeoCon.
You guys have tried this before and the only reason it worked was because a) you had a fresh crop of victims every few months or so as the liberals you didn't like got banned from the board, and b) you know the ins and outs because you yourselves were posting under multiple names repeatedly for a very long time. Your favorite trick was always to accuse others of doing what you yourselves were constantly doing, and you vicously accused a lot of innocent people who had no idea what you were talking about. I believe the Bible calls this false witness. Not that you'd care.
The liberals don't have to resort to such deceit. They actually say something in their posts and they believe in what they say. They stand by their words.
It's the one-line slimers who post and run anonymously and try to pump themselves up to look like more than they are by posting under multiple names, agreeing with themselves - they have nothing better to do, no real thoughts to offer, and no real desire to communicate. Hence the anonymous posts they don't want to own. All they are about is tearing down and creating conflict - kind of like the administration they revere.
So don't try it, NeoCons - your habit of blaming others for the deceit you practice yourselves isn't going to fly anymore. You're busted.
Hard to believe
that there are still people in this country who can't see this, who still worship Bush no matter how badly he disregards the Constitution and American freedom. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
It is hard to believe, but a lot believe whatever sm
they hear on TV news, etc. They have heard the term our democracy so much, everyone believes this is our form of government, but it is not. America is a Constitutional Republic. Things are said enough and you eventually believe them. This is how propaganda works.
not so hard to believe
from http://www.infowars.net/articles/may2006/100506clinton.htm
The Clintons and the Bushes have been known to vacation together in more recent times. Earlier this year on CBS, Clinton revealed that he looks upon the Bushes as a surrogate family, and how Barbara Bush refers to him as her son. Is this really a picture of two distinct and opposed political ideologies pitted against one another?
You know, if you look hard enough
on the internet you can find "facts" to back up just about any ridiculous claim from two-headed monsters, to ape babies to all sorts of conspiracy theories. There's even a cult that worship their own stool (yes I am not making this up) and I'm sure this cult has multiple references and "facts" to back up their beliefs in preserving their feces forever.
But all that doesn't make it true. And the discriminating and intelligent person should be able to tell feces from fact, but apparently you can't.
Who says they don't fit, maybe you are just not trying hard enough! nm
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Must have been hard..........sm
to hold that little baby, knowing it was thrown away by her mother and had to suffer such consequences. I sometimes think situations like that are worse than even the partial birth abortion.
Hard to believe
Question is who is behind him and who put him where he is. This is an old article but the issues are still current. And this is from..The Pakistan Daily (not America)
http://www.daily.pk/world/84-worldnews/6726-barack-obama-is-not-a-us-citizen.html
Not hard to believe
First, I find trying to associate Sarah Palin with this lady is ridiculous.
Obama's associations not so ridiculous, especially when there are pictures, witnesses, etc.
Second, it is not so hard to believe that Sarah and Todd have not met these people. My mom and dad did not meet my inlaws until 2 weeks before our wedding when we had a dinner. And my mom's parents didn't meet her inlaws until maybe a week before her wedding.
Trying really hard to think
why I would care what Rick Warren thinks.
This is not hard to
In the view of Christians:
1. God does not condone evil, nor does He protect those who commit evil acts from the consequences of those actions.
2. There is a responsibility to protect the innocent that supercedes any conflicting obligation that might exist toward those who would kill them.
3. God was much harsher toward the oppressors of the innocent than anything the CIA has ever done. Try reading about the plagues He visited upon Egypt if you want to talk "torture".
I could go on, but there's no point. I'll just say thank God for Christians; a lot of people are alive in Los Angeles because we were able to disrupt a plan that was already in motion. If left up to the faux moralists (who would torture their own grandmothers in a minute if they thought it would save their own lives), those people would be dead. But hey - no AL Qaida would have had to look at a caterpillar!
You are very welcome. Its hard sm
to keep up with when you work for them much less the general public.
Laughing so hard I go...
into silent laughing, mode, thinking I will fall off my chair but I don't. That's how much I am laughing at this. He did make an appearance and say something, however lukewarm it was, I will say that for him, more than others do when they actually do kill/lie/out people. Chavez, on the other hand, is giving oil away, giving billions to help Cuba and The Dominican Republic with oil prices which have soared to $4 a gallon in the islands. It is part of what he calls Petrocaribe. He is helping to rebuild decrepit refineries in the islands as well. Same goes for his own country where you can fill your tank for about $2. Whatever his politics are; he is sharing the wealth of his country with, omg!!! real everyday people and poor everyday people. What an evil dangerous man. I think we should kill him. Want to really annoy a Republican...share whether or not the person/country with whom you are sharing meets your own moral criteria for giving, you know, the worthy poor versus the unworthy poor. And before anyone starts in with Chavez beomg a communist, socialist, a danger to the United States tripe, I have one word...China.
Not really that hard to grasp.
A great article about the Gulf of Tonkin incident can be read here:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/
g/gu/gulf_of_tonkin_incident.htm
But to answer more plainly, the point is that Johnson in all ways was a dead ringer for today's Republicans. He did not represent the Democratic ideals then or now. Interesting snip of the article:
Most Americans know little of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Historians have shown that the Johnson administration provoked the incident with the intention of crafting a pretext for making overt the American covert involvement in Vietnam.
Sound like anyone you know? Sound like two Texas politicians might have owned the same playbook? Should either one of them be admired for that? I can certainly say no!
So when are those on the Wrong Right going to place blame where blame is clearly due on BOTH sides of the aisle?
I find it hard to believe you don't see it.
I would say a big no on that one - why are people trying so hard to get her in
I haven't figured out yet why people are trying so hard to get her into office. She should go back to being a Senator from NY. She even said earlier in her campaign that being a Senator is a very good job. I have not figured out (and I really have tried to be objectionable) as to why people want her back in there. Doesn't anyone remember what it was like when the Clintons were in before. I know that speaker of the house doesn't get her "in" the white house, but you have to remember that if something happens to President and VP then speaker of the house is next in line. That would make me very nervous and I'd be constantly looking over my shoulder as to what she and Bill are up to. I think she should go back to being a senator or congress person and leave it at that.
Its hard to calm down
You know when Kerry ran against Bush I did not feel this way. When Gore ran it was a little different because he was still associated with the clintons and I didn't not want a Clinton 3rd term. I just can't understand how someone can say something so shameful and hurtful. I can't even imagine what Obama's wife is thinking. Probably one of her biggest fears, and then along comes her husband's oponent and says something like this? Just really gets the blood pressure going. Some of the media is trying to make excuses for her but there is just no excuse. I wouldn't think so harshly if she had come out right away and said in no way did she mean what came out of her mouth, but she waits til the end of the day and then tries to cover it up and doesn't even apologize. Despicable and sleezy!!!!!!
I really find it hard to believe
the Clintons when I know deep down they don't want him for prez either. How can you endorse someone when you tried so hard to put them down and show they weren't right for the job in the first place?
What is so hard about answering a
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That may be, but it is hard for me to understand....sm
after being a prisoner of war and saying he was tortured that he can say that torture of prisoners is OK. This only puts our soldiers in harm's way.
See. Was that so hard? It is up to anyone who reads it...
what to take from it.
And I think he works very hard trying to ...
take down a God he doesn't even believe exists by ridiculing people who know He exists. If God doesn't exist, what difference does it make? Methinks he doth protest too much...lol. Lotta guilt there from somewhere. lol.
No, what's hard is not getting banned from
I work hard and get no help from anybody.
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It is very hard to believe this senario when...sm
she says she is an MT and between she and her husband are earning 24,000 a year and working their butts off. Something just doesn't add up. She is the one that brought the subject up about what she and her husband make. Her opinion of what working her butt of means and mine is very different. 40 hours a week as an MT even with minimum production and a the lowest cents per line would easily add up to more than 18-20,000 a year. Hello.
It is hard to believe that so many people
can put so much hope, trust, adoration and committment, thus making a god of this man. It is plain sickening.
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