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Yeah, right; I forgot, more compassionate conservatism.

Posted By: LOL - no msg - Starcat on 2005-12-16
In Reply to: Now, now... - American Woman




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Compassionate conservatism

Two years ago I took in a friend who had fallen on hard times.  We have known one another since high school, over 40 years.  For the last several years she had been living with relatives who by her account were very mean to her and treated her as a sort of  servant.  She had lost a small disability pension, with its medical insurance, and had gone through all of her meager savings.  Her disabilities are of the vague, undiagnosable type:  Diffuse pain, muscle spasms, respiratory problems, palpitations, strange allergic reactions to foods/ medications/environmental irritants.  She was accident prone, unable to concentrate and had out-of-control emotions a lot of the time.  I  attributed much of  this to the stress of  her living situation and could see no way to help her, other than getting her out of what seemed to be a very hostile environment.


 


So  I made this offer:  Move in with me and regroup.  No one will harm you here.  Get your mind and body back in some kind of balance.  File your pension appeal.  Another friend told me of an attorney who had handled her similar appeal.  I shared my car with her, since hers had bitten the dust years before.  I was determined not to pressure her, but to let her manage her own financial, physical and emotional recovery. 


 


No one forced me to do this.  I  shared my home,  provided food, shelter and transportation without expecting a cent, out of friendship.  You have no idea what this offer has cost me.  The monetary issue is quite secondary to the peace and tranquility I  (who have lived alone for most of the last 40 years and loved it)  have sacrificed.  And it is true what they say:  You don’t really know someone until you live with them.


 


For more than a year, nothing much changed and I grew very tired of her constant whining and self-pity.  It seemed that the more I did for her, the more she needed me to do (but only those things she would accept - I could keep my advice to myself.)  And I grew weary of hearing her complain that I am so fortunate, that I cannot possibly feel her pain, nor can I  possibly understand that she can’t concentrate on her pension paperwork for more than a few minutes at a time, can’t bear to sit and type, can’t read the fine print without her vision blurring.  My offers to help her with this - after all, I type medical and psych stuff for a living - were refused over and over.  Her filing deadline came and went, and that opportunity was lost forever.  She claimed the lawyer never told her there was such a deadline.  I guess it was my fault for not finding her a better attorney.  Now each month she gets a bill from him.


 


Every serious conversation went in circles and ended in tears and recriminations from her.  Now I was the one being mean to her.  Frankly, I could barely stand being in the same room, yet she followed me around asking why we never talked anymore.  So after 15 months I was forced to go all *tough-love* on her.  I gave her an ultimatum (the or-else unspecified) that within 60 days I must see some progress with her situation.  She had to file for SSDI, Medicaid, food stamps, find some psychological help, go to a free medical and vision clinic, etc.  I provided all the contact information she would need.  I was willing to support her, but was not going to bankrupt my self assuming her medical and legal bills for the rest of her life. 


 


And still, 50 days later I  saw no indication that she had done anything.  Not wanting to wait for the 60th day and my bluff to be called, I finally had to be so mean that she was forced to turn to the county mental health system.  This was the only way I could see to get her some help.  Taking her back to her family was not an option and I was not going to send her to live under a bridge (a very real possibility.)


 


Since then she has had a social worker leading her through the application process for all those services, and she is now accepting advice from the social worker that had been unacceptable when it came from me.   


 


So here’s the thing.  I have a new perspective on her family members, who were probably doing their own version of  tough love, but would never think of throwing her butt out.  My friend maintains that if she were still living with them, she would have ended up at county mental health just the same.  Nonsense!  Without some imminent threat, she would still be crying on my shoulder daily about her nasty family and their lack of understanding.


 


By being too kind (a democrat) I was enabling my friend to put off indefinitely doing anything to help herself.  I had to stop giving her fish and put a fishing pole within reach (become a republican).  It was up to her to pick it up and start feeding herself.  It is clear that she genuinely has problems but that she is also capable of doing what is required, when properly motivated.  I had to get downright ugly about it, and her social worker now sets tasks and deadlines to keep her on track.  She sees a counselor.  She gets medications.  She qualified for food stamps.  She has been approved for SSDI and Medicaid.  For most of her life she paid into these systems and now it is only fair she receive something back when she needs it.   Maybe I will even get my friend back and enjoy her company again.  


 


And this whole scenario is how a helping hand is supposed to go.  Wherever possible charity should be voluntary, not compulsory.  Nobody forced me help; I did it voluntarily, out of affection.  But even friendship and compassion have their limits; love and goodwill can be strained to breaking.  There is a place for government assistance,  but turning to the government should be the last resort, not the first.  And you have to try to help yourself first.


 


And now Obama, et al, want to REQUIRE me to do this for a bunch of strangers as well?  No thanks, I already gave.


Make that Compassionate conservatism
Oh, duh! 
oh yeah. I forgot.

Evangelical christianity is the only religion to be tolerated and their followers are perfect.


Oh yeah, I almost forgot....(sm)

ONLY 3 MORE DAYS


YES WE CAN!!!


Yeah, I forgot, he never paid
*No child left behind* either....remember that...Yeah, silly me, he would never do that. My sincere apologies....javascript:editor_insertHTML('text','');
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Conservatism and feminism oxyMORON.
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What is not compassionate about that?
I said we all agreed we should insure all children. I merely said that that should get top priority among social programs. Why is that not compassionate? What is wrong with prioritizing the spending? We cannot go on forever, more programs, more taxes, more programs, more taxes...I don't know about you, but 35-40% off the top of my paycheck already makes it difficult to make a living and make my own insurance premiums. I am in medical transcription so I am by no means rich. Keep taxing me and I will need programs to get by. Now is that going to help anything? If we cannot prioritize spending 35-40% of the nation's income off the top, we a real problem, friend. We cannot do every thing for every person. So let's prioritize. Let the children's health coverage come first, and prioritize from there on down. Why is that not compassionate? Do you feel that illegals should have access to all our social programs? Do you seriously feel that??
Compassionate? Hardly, I think.......... sm
but you may be on to something about engineering healthy future generations of government workers who will be physically and mentally able to repay this enormous debt.
Could you be any more judgemental, any less compassionate?
You said: "I do not want to TAKE CARE of any more people. He should be preaching get up, get an education, take care of yourselves."

Do you think he should preach 'GET UP" to people flat on their back?

Your mentality is sickening in America - and you are far from alone. PULL yourself up by your own bootstraps and don't whine to me that you don't even own boots!!

UNTIL you walk a mile in the shoes of those who many need a helping hand, dont you dare judge whether or how much we CIVILIZED Americans should assist them.

There but for the Grace of God go you 'my friend' -

IF THIS GOVERNMENT CAN RAP E THE TREASURY TO PAY FOR FAKE WARS, IT CERTAINLY CAN CREATE A SAFETY NET for its most vulnerable citizen. Shame on anyone who says otherwise.


Compassionate conservativism - 2

Let’s just beat this dead horse into a pulp, shall we?


Suppose we’re friends and I give you $100 or a gift worth that much, just because we’re pals.  It is well within the rules for you to spend the money on anything you want.  It is also well within the rules for you to exchange the gift for a different color or size, or even for something else that you like better.  Still within the rules (though tacky) is to pawn the gift, take the $50 you get, and blow it on anything you want.  It was a present.]


However,  suppose you are my friend (or even a complete stranger) and you tell me you’re kids are hungry.  Suppose I give you $100, and suppose doing that shorts my monthly budget for luxuries or even necessities, but I have decided your need is greater.  This too is a gift. 


But instead of spending the money on enough food to feed yourself and your family for a couple of weeks, you decide life is short (could be a big part of why you’re asking for money in the first place) and what you really need is a good time.  You spend the money on dinner out, with wine, and a show, because you figure you can always put on your hungry face, trot out your starving kids, and hit up your ol’ buddy A. Nonymous for another C-note?  Not illegal, and you won’t go to jail for it, but certainly violating the spirit of the gift and not even remotely within the rules of common decency.  Don’t ask me to help you anymore.  I would be stupid to fall for it again.  You are the one starving your kids, not me, and I am very sorry.


And what if I am not the only friend you have asked for help?  Better hope we don’t all get together and compare notes. Because then we’re all kicking you off the gravy train. 


Wow what a loving, tolerant, and compassionate

little liberal you are...NOT.  You just wished me dead.  How sweet!


What a wonderful way to show your *compassionate*

side at Christmas time.


This woman's soldier son was killed in Iraq right before the holidays, leaving behind a wife and child, but you glibly act like it's no big deal.


Of course, to those of your ilk, the only good soldier is a DEAD one, so it's perfectly understandable.


Crawl back under your rock.  You're nothing but an ugly, hateful snake.


Carla...  (((hugs)))... please ignore this ignorant, hateful subhumanoid creature.  Don't read any more of its posts.  It is clearly an evil force that only truly belongs on the CON board.


I think we should all ignore this poster and not feed its hatred.  Just like Bush, It clearly has no compassion for those it sends to fight a war based on lies and deceit.


Compassionate euthanasia. It is not that far a reach any more. sm
It happened in Italy just the other day. It took the lady 4 days to die.

That is what you have to look forward to if the premise of his health care plan is correct.

So when they talk about leaving the debt to our children, g-children, and g-gchild, then they will be healthy enough to cough up the money to pay the piper.

JMHO though.


Our hatred? Please refer to post above by your compassionate left
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Some states have passed compassionate euthanasia already, Oregon. nm
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*Compassionate Conservative* Bill Bennett: Abort every black baby, reduce crime.


William Bennett Defends Comment on Abortion and Crime


'Book of Virtues' Author Says Hypothetical Remark Was Valid


By JAKE TAPPER



- After pondering on his radio program how aborting every black infant in America would affect crime rates, best-selling author and self-styled Values Czar Bill Bennett is vehemently denying he is a racist and defending his willingness to speak publicly about race and crime.

On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues.

If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down, he added.


Outrage From Democrats


Bennett was secretary of education for President Ronald Reagan and is considered one of the Republican Party's big brains. But this week Democrats and some Republicans seemed to also question if Bennett's mouth is of size as well.

Democrats expressed outrage, ranging from demands for an apology to requests that the Federal Communications Commission suspend Bennett's show.

Republicans, Democrats and all Americans of good will should denounce this statement, should distance themselves from Mr. Bennett, said Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., D-Ill. And the private sector should not support Mr. Bennett's radio show or his comments on the air.

I'm not even going to comment on something that disgusting, said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. Really, I'm thinking of my black grandchild and I'm going to hold (off).


'Things That People Are Thinking'


In an interview with ABC News, Bennett said that anyone who knows him knows he isn't racist. He said he was merely extrapolating from the best-selling book Freakonomics, which posits the hypothesis that falling crimes rates are related to increased abortion rates decades ago. It would have worked for, you know, single-parent moms; it would have worked for male babies, black babies, Bennett said. So why immediately bring up race when discussing crime rates? There was a lot of discussion about race and crime in New Orleans, Bennett said. There was discussion – a lot of it wrong – but nevertheless, media jumping on stories about looting and shooting and gangs and roving gangs and so on.

There's no question this is on our minds, Bennett said. What I do on our show is talk about things that people are thinking … we don't hesitate to talk about things that are touchy.

Bennett said, I'm sorry if people are hurt, I really am. But we can't say this is an area of American life (and) public policy that we're not allowed to talk about – race and crime.

Robert George, an African-American, Republican editorial writer for the New York Post, agrees that Bennett's comments were not meant as racist. But he worries they feed into stereotypes of Republicans as insensitive. His overall point about not making broad sociological claims and so forth, that was a legitimate point, George said. But it seems to me someone with Bennett's intelligence … should know better the impact of his words and sort of thinking these things through before he speaks.

The blunt-spoken Bennett has ruffled feathers before, most recently in 2003 for revelations that despite his best-selling books about virtue and values, he is a high-rolling preferred customer at Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos.

In light of accusations that the Bush administration should have been more sensitive to black victims of Hurricane Katrina, a Republican official told ABC News that Bennett's comments were probably as poorly timed as they were politically incorrect.

ABC News' Avery Miller, Karen Travers and Toni L. Wilson contributed to this report.



Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've said before that you're leaving, but you and your goons can't sta

yeah, yeah, yeah.....what he failed to mention...
is that the Dems are responsible for the mortgage meltdown which is responsible for the wall street meltdown. Chris Dodd, Barney Frank...totally to blame. Blocked every attemmpt by Bush Admin and yes, McCain, to regulate fannie/freddie. Dems certainly have selective memories...convenient bouts of amnesia. lol.
Well, there it is. She probably forgot though.
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I cannot believe I forgot it...I mean him!!! LOL!! nm

Forgot something... LoL

When did Lindsey Graham suddenly become liberal?  I believe he was a former JAG and is totally against Bush's torture techniques and military tribunals.


And when GENERAL Colin Powell says something, I put much more credence in what he has to say than in a bumbling authoritarian idiot who never had the guts to set one foot on foreign soil to serve his country. 


Bush talks about the professionals, yet he refuses to listen to any of them.  And the faithful Bush disciples don't even care that the torture Bush wants will come back on OUR troops, the same troops they claim to support so much, leaving them susceptible to the very same treatment. 


Have you noticed how many Republicans are starting to stand up and do the right thing?  And have you noticed how angry Bush is becoming in press conferences and interviews?  (I thought the was going to hit Matt Lauer the other day.)


Bush's temper is definitely about to explode, and he doesn't look like a very stable person.  Elections are less than 2 months away, and if the Republicans lose control, Bush is finally going to have to be accountable to the country.  He's getting angrier and I think he's beginning to panic. 


Another **terror attack**?


I think we should all be afraid, BE VERY AFRAID.  :-(


I forgot to add
Just in case anyone comes back with "oh you just don't like her" - yeah, you're right - I don't like her and for good reason. She is a liar. We had her as first lady for 8 years! Enough! America doesn't need that back, and we certainly don't need her impeached husband back in the white house running around. That good for nothing impeached piece of work is out campaigning as though he is running for President. Both he and his wife are bold face liars they lie right to the camera and everyone's face and their attitude is "so? what are you gonna do about it". So no, I do not like either one of them. Our country was in horrible shape when they were in. NAFTA took away good jobs for people, our military was dessimated, and all the time he stood and lied and lied and lied. So no, I don't like them. P.S. In case your thinking I'm republican - I'm not. I even voted for Clinton the first time. Learned within 2 weeks what a mistake that was.
oh yes....I forgot......
the war is all Bush and McCain's doing....no one elses.  Just them.  All their fault.  Had nothing to do with even the dems who voted to go for it.  Hmm.  Yes...funny how people always forget that tid bit.  I do believe that even Biden voted to go into Iraq. 
I FORGOT!!!!!
masturbation is a SIN!!
forgot
forgot one question. We have 2 children, 16 & 13. I think I answered the rest.
I forgot to add
Did anyone catch that now Obama is saying people who make $200 and less. What happened to the $250. This is what I mean. The slimy little worm keeps lowering and lowering his belief of middle income. Soon he will be saying if you make 4OK your above middle income and will be taxed more (less we forget what Clinton did). Which, by the way, Obama will have all his excemptions for all the people making over a certain amount. The people who pay and run Obama are millionaires. Do you really think they are going to sit back and say, yeah Obama take money from me, I don't need it.

Did anyone notice his slick way of making you believe that you will receive the same level of health care that he and his rich friends in cogress receive. Right!

Open your eyes people. You are just oozing with such hatred for someone, and the only reason I can see is that McCain is older because you've never said anything bad about his policies. It's all about looks with you.
What you forgot to say
You forgot to say that you're a racist. Let's be real, and keep it real.

Wow - ignorance must be bliss.
PS - I forgot to add
The RNC investigated this and it was determined valid that he is a natural born citizen.

The DNC never checked out Obama. You gotta wonder why and who put Obama in there.
I forgot to say I wish your son all the best
and hope he has a safe and enjoyable career (?). Not sure if you'd call it a career. I loved my time in the military and learned responsibility, valuable lessons, leadership and respect for others. It was a wonderful time of my life. Met my best friend the first night we were sleeping in the chapel at Ft. Jackson waiting for beds to open up in our basic training unit and we remain as close today as we were when we were together (she now lives in another state). 2 years ago her son joined the Army and he also graduated basic training at Ft. Jackson.

So my best wishes for a healthy and good life for your son.
Oh, I forgot about BBC
When I lived up north I used to listen to the canadian news. Boy talk about getting a different perspective of what Canada thinks of us (and not just political - they are not too fond of us in general). I think film clips are the best way to find out what's going on. I'd rather listen to what Obama has to say rather than listening to Obama and then having someone interpret what he said to me. HA HA HA. (same for any person. I just hate when I watch a video clip and then the news reporters say "What so-n-so was talking about was...." :-) I usually end up yelling at the TV, I do have a mind of my own ya know.

Anyway...just didn't know if people had a favorite.
You forgot........
Bush would sneak in after hours and push legislation through while Congress was in recess..........remember? There is blame to be laid on both sides of the aisle, but Bush will die in infamy because of the horrible decisions he, and his neocons, made.
almost forgot.......if you by some sm
horrible chance happen to get very very ill or hurt and cannot work, you will change your mind about wanting to lower SS benefits.

I have been there and done that. Drew benefits for several years and then went back to work and stopped drawing. Believe me you will be glad you leflt SS alone.
You forgot...
Michael Moore, since he hates America so much, and if we're getting rid of Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly, we have to throw out Olberman, Mathews, and Maddow, too (just to be fair, 'cause it's all about being fair, right?).


That's right - I forgot....
I question Obama's policies and actions, so I'm a racist.

Thank you for reminding me!
That's right - I forgot....
I question Obama's policies and actions, so I'm a racist.

Thank you for reminding me!
BTW, almost forgot........I can fit 10 sm
cars in my driveway and doesn't bother a soul. If I want to have 20 people at my house once a week for a Bible study what is it hurting you or anybody else? In the summer time, quet peopl, sitting on the deck, studying God's word. Please tell me how in the world this is hurting anyone??!
no, it was my bad, because I forgot to put
in my first reply a comma between 'post' and 'and', so it was confusing. Sorry about that!
no, it was my bad, because I forgot to put
in my first reply a comma between 'post' and 'and', so it was confusing. Sorry about that!
You forgot a few - HW Bush first sm
Also, H Howard Hunt, and Dulles (sp?). LBJ supposedly kept ducking according to witnesses like he was anticipating bullets. Many say he was assassinated due to Kennedy's attempts to pull American out of South Vietnam, and his attempts to dismantle the Federal Reserve Bank according to a book called, the Vatican Billions.
LOL. You forgot a couple....sm
911 gone bonkers brigade (one from Charlie Sheen after he got attacked)and Mike Malloy's - yes, I am a liberal and I shall eat your eyeballs.

The Scholars for 911 Truth have quite an impressive group of members. Here is a link to their membership page:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html


Forgot the link - sorry
http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/cocc1121.html
Almost forgot...all the others are correct TOO!!

The others that you mention -- they are correct, too (about being on to me).  Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by leaving them out.


Oops, that's right -- all those others are ME!!!!!


PS. Forgot the part about "I don't think
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Oops I forgot to add
I'd also like to know what it is about Obama that you love. And also why are you comparing Gov Palin to Sen Obama and not Sen Biden.
Forgot about that one - and that was the biggest lie of all
Just because people love Gore doesn't make him right. Just cos he wrote a book and bought himself a Nobel Peace Prize doesn't mean anything (except he's got a lot of money), and guess where he gets that from. That big ol fat lie he lays on everyone how only people create global warming. By the way do you ever notice its only Americans. So he pours all these phony "carbon credits", which of course benefits his company and he gets money from that. The guy has got one fail proof scheme going. Of course he won't give up any of gas guzzling SUV's, buses, private planes, etc. He won't give up anything he's telling other people they need to give up. Wonder how much electricity and energy it takes to heat his mansion, yet people like me in my 2 bedroom apartment are suppose to cut back more (so he can go on enjoying the good life). Oh Gosh, sorry, did not mean to go off about Algore. The guy is the biggest liar and phony. Now I know where Obama/Bidens thinking lies.

The fact of the matter is that Palin was correct last night. She said people do contribute, however, it is also part of the climate. People need to start ignore Algore and all of his infinite wisdom (NOT) and start listening to the people who have been studying this for years. The people who are not benefitting from spewing absolute garbage and making a profit off of it.
You forgot what you just posted?
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You forgot the pedophiles

You're right.  I'm from Texas, where we cling to our guns and religion, shoot first, and ask ?s maybe.


O'Reilly did a huge story on the pedophile problem there a few mos. ago with Wendy Murphy.  VT is very well known for its lax laws.  Check out that story, regardless of what you think of him.  It's accurate and just tragic.  You'll see how well your elected officials protected those young girls.


Like we say down here, "God Bless Texas!"


you forgot to add that you are a RACIST.

Egads and I forgot to say
I hate "serpents" translated to snakes. LOL
Forgot to mention.
Also the show last night stated that Obama keeps saying we are going to CHANGE and people chant, YES WE CAN.  What is this change?  Anybody know?  Because O'Reilly Factor and everyone else want to know what this CHANGE is.  Obama inspires us, but for what?  What is this CHANGE he is going to do?   
ok,, I forgot about that! Yes, then it serves her right. ..sm
anyways, I am a democrat.
Go, Obama.