Yeah, GIVE AIG whatever, but loan the big 3

• Big 3 talks continue....... sm - m
  • I'm curious about how many other dems oppose - this measure? sm
  • Why such a huge deal made about the auto LOAN - when they gave BAILOUTS to others?nm
    • If the Big 3 fail........... Or the Big 2.... sm - m
    • Yeah, GIVE AIG whatever, but loan the big 3 - money, and it is called "bailout" -misconstr

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I promise to absorb all opinions without comment.  I'm willing to learn.

How do you all feel about this topic now? 

Most importantly, please explain why you feel one way or the other.

money.  You don't cut off your nose to spite your face.  We are circling the drain in this nation and it will take some massive, painful steps to correct the situation.  I am totally against the honchos making that ridiculous amt of money.  that can be addressed secondarily - get the nation back on its feet and then reform.  I will not support destroying the middle class by unemployment, etc, just because I resent those at the top.

If you're lucky you'll be dead before you have to pay it off.  Apparently nobody else is paying theirs back...

Didn't Michelle Obama say they were still (in their 40s) paying on theirs?  Got that mansion in Illinois, but can't pay back their student loans?  Wasn't this in a speech she gave in Zanesville, OH when she told people to forego college and get into the 'service sector'  because the Obamas were still paying off student loans?  Now her husband says we need a degree in order to work in the US?  Wow! What must pillow-talk be like in that bedroom?

I was hoping for a better result the second time, but I didn't get one.  Please use the link if you're interested in reading this in its entirety.

Sorry! 

http://www.rense.com/general84/close.htm

All I see is promises. calm demeanor is another. He was a bit rattled at some of the questions asked of him throughout the campaign.

I'm afraid of his "form of thinking"...  "world view, plans and policies". His voting record leaves something to be desired. He is not focusing on the middle class, but is focusing on the have-nots. 

His "voting record, his biography?" Not good. His "accomplishments"? What, that he came up so fast in government? That's a little quizzical. How did he accomplish that?

I am truly worried about his "orientation towards the future," his "multicultural global outlook, his global appeal". Love for his country? We shall see.

We know he loves his family. That I won't argue with, but other things you wrote, yes. I'm not sure he has the gumption to do it all.

this package an A. It is so complicated and I am getting mixed messages all over the place. We have to wrap Iraq up (that'll save us $12 billion a month) - don't know how they'll accomplish that and then there's Afghanistan, what a mess. They have to do something and they have to do it now. We have witnessed how the "free market" will take care of it - it won't. I am disgusted and disappointed with Congress. The longer this freefall continues, the longer it will be before the banks can extend credit. And, I agree with Obama, cap the CEOs salaries as long as they are accepting taxpayers money. STOPPING spending is what everyone is doing right now.....and the freefall continues. Spending to stimulate the economy seems to be our only option right now. This country has so may ills - it can't be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs.

military information either.  I also cringe when I see documentaries on how our weapons are made and what they do.  Nothing like giving the enemy a play by play on what we are doing and how our weapons are supposed to work. 

As far as I am concerned, we don't need to know every little thing like that.  It puts us at a disadvantage and I personally feel it endangers our troops just throwing out information like that.

I'm sure that there were some folks there that were there basically because they hate Obama.  But you cannot stereotype everyone into that group.  I, for one, don't hate Obama.  I wasn't there trying to have him impeached for being black....okay.  It amazes me that you people tell conservatives to be openminded, at the same time you can be some of the most closed minded of all of us.  You want us to see things from your point of view and yet at the same time spit on our point of view.  

We are called racist and unpatriotic for disagreeing with our current president and yet it was quite okay to disagree with Bush.  You want to cry and whine about how this is about Obama and how we hate Obama and yet you say nothing of the black people who voted for Obama merely because he was black.....or about the black people who continue to support him merely because he is black.  If you want to throw up the race card, by all mean do it but please report the racism from all sides.  I'm not saying all black people voted for Obama for that reason.....but some did.  I'm sure some white people didn't vote him for because he is black.....but that isn't the reason for all of us.  You can't use racism as a cop out for everything here.

If the tea parties were truly about hating Obama and all brought about by racism....then by all means we have a right to be ridiculed because that would be a wrong reason to protest and would show how bigotted we are.  However, that WAS NOT the reason behind the tea parties.  It wasn't even about Obama entirely.  It was about GOVERNMENT and that includes the president, pubs, and crats as well as any independent that might be in there if there are any. 

It amazes me that liberal groups can protest and be physical with people in their protests and spray paint graffiti and that is okay but when concerned Americans get together in protest where there is no violence and no destruction of public or private property.....you all scream and call us hate mongers.....are you kidding me?   

There may not have been many black people in the crowd but there were some out there.  I don't recall seeing any burning crosses.  There were no Obama effigies hung from a rope....although I do recall one of Sarah Palin being hung during the campaign at someone's house during Halloween and I guess that was okay, huh?

Double standards and the race card.....I'm sick sick sick of it.

Although I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said, I'm sure that Bush will find a way to keep all the kids of his rich "base" out of combat, the same way he was kept out of combat by his rich dad.  Maybe if Dubya had the GUTS to see some combat action on his own, he'd think twice before sending our children out to die for a bogus war that he needs because he feels that no president could be considered truly successful without one military "win" under his belt.

He said this in 1999, TWO YEARS before 9/11:

He's beyond moronic.  What kind of SUBHUMANOID USES 9/11 and all its victims as an EXCUSE to do what he's wanted to do all along?

And yes, you'd better believe there's going to be a draft.  I have 2 reasons for believing that.

1.  Because, as you said, we can't meet recruitment quotas because our bright young people are opening their eyes and aren't willing to die in an unnecessary war for a government that does nothing but lie; and

2. Read my lips:  BECAUSE HE PROMISED THERE WOULDN'T BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In your view one man single-handedly has brought the world down in 5-1/2 years.  That's really giving Bush a lot of power.  If Clinton and other Democratic presidents were soooo great then why didn't they single handedly make the world a utopian place when they were in office?   Wow, Democratic presidents must have really sucked if you have the view that the Office of the President of the United States holds the power to either make the world Heaven or Hell.  It seems the Dems could do neither.  Man, they were lamer than I ever imagined if your view is correct.