YOU MAKE OVER $250,000 a year
Posted By: sm on 2008-09-09
In Reply to: I sort of agree with you, but I think.....sm - Me too
and can't afford to go out to dinner more than once or twice a year, live in a plain house that is almost paid off and have no debt? That is ASTOUNDING! Taxes are being raised on those making over $250,000 a year. My husband and I made around $80,000 last year and now we can't afford a pot to p**s in or a window to throw it out. Cancer has defined my life for the past year, meds are astronomical, medical bills drove us to bankruptcy and, right now, I'm too sick to work. We are barely surviving on hubbies income - I sold all of my jewelry to pay bills and put food on the table. I've been saving aluminum and scrapping it for gas money. I've been fighting insurance companies for treatment and compensation that I PAID for. My 30-year-old son is handicapped and works in a sheltered workshop. He broke his glasses. He's darn near blind. He had to wait 2 years before his medical card would pay for a new pair. So, I don't want to hear how WONDERFUL those on the "dole" have it. We live in a 600 sq. ft. "cottage" and my husband is a professional with a 5-year engineering degree. We are middle class and have been stabbed in the back over the last year. I can't take 4 more years. If McCain gets elected, I hope I sucumb to this disease so I don't have to see my children and grandchildren suffer.
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I do not make over 250,000 a year, sorry
and like I am going to take someone like Donald Trump's opinions to heart. not a chance. he has a lot more to lose than I do if he has to pay taxes. I will get 1000 stimulus and end up paying less in taxes, it is just they will be distributed differently, in other words, not so much given to lobbyists and oil people that is my understanding...
my cash gets taken out of my wallet NOW, more than ever, and my say where it goes is all but diminished - now THAT is scary...
If you make under 75K a year
you will get an extra 13 bucks a week. Woo hoo! Now let me ask you this......he is giving tax cuts to 95% of the people and yet these cuts only go to people making under 75K a year.....surely not 95% of Americans are making under 75K a year?
Do you make over $250,000 a year? With Obama I'm
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With the flat tax, people who make under 40,000 per year will not have to
pay taxes the way it reads now. They estimate that people making over 40,000 will be able to produce more tax income than the current income tax w/o including people who make under 40,000.
Q and A about the Flat Tax.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7146/flattax.html
I don't care how much the parents make per year...
Their kids still deserve affordable healthcare. You keep talking about people making $80,000 per year, and yes that is a lot of money, and more than double what I make, but those people can still get into trouble with medical bills of $100,000 to $200,000, and is it fair for that hard-working upper-middle-class family to have to sell their house simply to pay medical bills for a sick child? Not in my personal opinion.
Some people don't prioritize their spending well - I agree with you there, but should their kids suffer health-wise because of their parents horrible spending habits? Is it fair that many parents have to take a 2nd job simply to pay for their health insurance premiums? Is it fair that they cannot afford to take simple family vacations because ALL of their money goes to bills and health insurance? Is it right that many parents don't spend quality time with their children at night and aren't there to help their kids with their homework because they have had to take a 2nd job to cover health care for the family? For most families it is not a choice between cable TV and healthcare. Cable TV costs about $60 to $100 per month. Health insurance premiums can be upwards of $1000 per month plus additional costs. $12,000 per year on cable TV? I don't think so.
I personally don't go out and buy extravagant things, and that is fine with me. I can barely afford to take the kids on a weekend trip to the museum in the next town, but I know if I keep working hard someday I might be able to take my kids on more trips and broaden their herizons a bit more. In the meantime, we have a lot of love to go around, and I know that is what kids needs most, but I long for the freedom to show them a little more of the beautiful state we live in without having to worry about a $1000 per month health insurance premium.
Holycrap! You make more than 250K a year!
How did you do that with MT jobs?
How much did you make on your "earned income credit" this year? Welfare momma......
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NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less
If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)
That's right, Bush is still alive and well. Check this out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676
Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?
Just because you make a statement does not make it true...
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I think we need a 4-year....
moratorium on presidents. Let's try 4 years without one. See how that goes. 
I'm one year from my MA.
It seems like half of the posts on this MB are yours. Maybe you should look for other hobbies. Like clubbing baby seals or smashing the dreams of little children.
You spew on and on about how unbiased you are, yet 90% of your posts bash republicans.
I think you just like to see your name on the MB. Maybe in your 'real' life nobody cares about you. So you come here to feel like at least someone will read your message and know you are still alive.
How sad for you.
Well, in a year you can say
I just went there last year
I was welcomed there and not treated as an ugly american.
My brother and his wife have lived there for years and they and their friends are not treated like "ugly americans", and they've been all over germany, belgium, france, austria, lictenfelds, and switzerland. They travel every weekend and they are always welcome whereever they go. The europeans love Americans. They (not all) may not like our president but they know that americans are not like him.
This kind of comment is just a lie! Another Bush hater. We get it, we all get it. God I can't want til tomorrow cos I can't wait for the Bush bashers/haters to just shut their mouths. But wait, they keep it up about McCain/Palin, so don't expect it to stop with Bush.
You tell me how an 8-year-old knows
anything about being "gay." I'll tell you where, in the indoctrination centers known as public education.
Excuse me, being homosexual does not make one happy and well adjusted. I've never ever seen when blatant sin ever lead to being happy and well adjusted.
Probably same as this year
Get back over 4,000 in tax refunds.
Yes, he did. This was for LAST YEAR'S
Seven down, one year to go for America
Article from yesterday's Times Herald documenting in a nutshell Bush's dynamic and equally distrastrous first year for America. It packs a wallop. In hindsight and in black and white, it certainly portends to everything that follows. I wonder if we shall ever recover from the damage that has been done to this country and abroad.
Seven down, one year to go for America
January 14, 2008
As I watched Americans caucus in Iowa and enter voting booths in New Hampshire these past two weeks, I felt the first stirrings of hope for my country that I've felt in a very long time.
It is as though we are peeking out of our caves of fear and despair, still wearing our winter coats and galoshes but preparing to shed them as we step into the promise of springtime.
For seven years, this country has been held in the grip of men who have used us for their own ends. On Sunday, it will be exactly one year until we see the last of the Bush administration.
That is reason for celebration. But it is not reason for turning our attention away from the criminals in the White House. There are times when I barely recognize the carcass of America that they continue to strip as they prepare to discard us.
Only one more year. But we know from experience the kind of damage George Bush and his crowd can do in the space of 12 months. Lest we forget, let's look at just a single year — 2001 — under this, the worst regime in America's history.
Jan. 20, 2001: On the day of Bush's inauguration, his chief of staff issued a moratorium halting all new health, safety and environmental regulations issued in the final days of the Clinton administration.
Jan. 23: Bush reinstates the global gag rule barring U.S. funding for abortion counseling abroad.
Feb. 5: Bush suspends the "roadless rule," which protected 60 million acres of forests from logging and road-building.
Feb. 17: Bush signs four
See Beth Quinn page 18
anti-union executive orders, including measures to prohibit project labor agreements at federal construction sites.
March 7: At Bush's urging, Congress repeals ergomonic regulations designed to protect workers from repetitive-stress injuries.
March 15: Bush abandons his campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants.
March 20: The Bush administration moves to overturn a regulation reducing the allowable levels of arsenic in drinking water.
March 28: Bush backs out of the Kyoto treaty on global warming.
March 29: Bush shuts down the White House Office for Women's Initiatives and Outreach.
April 4: Bush's Department of Agriculture proposes lifting a requirment that all beef used in federal school lunch programs must be tested for salmonella.
April 9: Bush's Department of Interior proposes a limit on lawsuits seeking protection of endangered species.
May 11: Bush abandons the nation's international effort to crack down on offshore tax havens for the rich.
May 16: Vice President Dick Cheney's task force releases its National Energy Policy report, calling for weaker environmental regulations and massive subsidies for the oil and gas, coal, and nuclear power industries.
May 26: At Bush's urging, Congress passes a $1.35 trillion tax cut.
June 19: Cheny refuses to release records of his energy task force meetings to the General Accounting Office.
June 28: Attorney General John Ashcroft announces a policy that would require gun records be destroyed one day after a background check rather than 90 days later.
July 9: Bush opposes a UN treaty to curb international trafficking in small arms and light weapons.
July 26: Bush rejects an international treaty on germ warfare and biological weapons.
Aug. 6: During the presidential daily briefing, Bush is warned that Osama bin Laden is determined to strike in the United States.
Aug. 9: Bush limits stem cell research to existing lines.
Sept. 11: Terrorists organized by bin Laden crash hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing thousands.
Sept. 22: Bush signs a $15 billion airline bailout.
Oct. 26: Bush signs the USA Patriot Act.
Oct. 29: Bush's Justice Department acknowledges but won't identify more than 1,000 individuals detained since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Oc.t 31: Ashcroft authorizes monitoring of attorney-client conversations in terrorism investigations.
Nov. 1: Bush issues an executive order blocking the release of presidential records.
Nov. 13: Bush orders that "enemy combatants" be tried in military tribunals.
Nov. 14: Bush's Justice Department issues regulations allowing illegal immigrants to be detained indefinitely.
Dec. 11: The Bush White House recommends privatizing Social Security.
Dec. 12: Bush announces that he intends to pull out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty unilaterally.
Dec. 27: Bush repeals the "responsible contractor rule" that had required scrutiny of safety and environmental law violations in the awarding of federal contracts.
There are 372 days left 'til Jan. 20, 2009. Let us hang onto hope for the future.
Happy New Year to you too....
As I said, I think it was probably a multitude of things, sick and fed up just pegged on the antiwar always bleak diatribe, it was the holidays and I am sure she was missing her son acutely, and the post, in my view and I don't have a son in Iraq, was very cold and matter of fact on an issue that is not matter of fact and calls in many human emotions...in short, she just had to vent. She did not expect war support. She was just tired of sitting there quiet. She may never post here again. All I was saying is that maybe that should have been taken into consideration and give her a pass that one time instead of coming back and slamming her. Just a little empathy would have been nice. That is all I was saying. I have defended liberals for going on once in awhile as well. And oddly, I have been criticized for that as well. LOL. Politics. Gotta love it.
Yes, it has been the deadliest year...
because the insurgency has been the strongest this year and their attacks on civilians have been horrendous. So, it makes sense for this to be the worst year. There were actually fewer deaths during the actual invasion than in the months after, both with soldiers and civilians. The insurgents and militias were not operating in the first months. And I agree mistakes were made, big ones. However, now, even the Iraqi government says attacks in Baghdad (car bombs, suicide bombers, rocket attacks, etc.) are down 70%. People are getting out and about again in major areas of Baghdad and there is some semblance of a normal life. That is a monumental achievement in comparsion to what it was. Are things perfect...no. Are things completely stable? No. But the article I posted by the independent journalist embedded witht he 82nd Airborne in Baghdad (who came in for the original surge in February and have been there since January གྷ)...the battalion he was with has suffered no deaths, not even any injuries since then. That is amazing. I guess, DW, I just get excited for the Iraqi people (and by that I mean the common folk like you and me) even with the "little" strides. I would like to be out of there too, trust me, I would. But I would rather we do everything we can to keep from having a blood bath like Viet Nam happen when we do leave. We are there, for whatever reason we got there, and you can't unscramble eggs. I still have hope that we can help stabilize it to the point that it is not so dangerous and I still have hope that the Iraqi people can find a way to pull together to help it happen faster. We may still have to pull out and bad things happen; there may be no way to avoid that. I just believe enough good is happening to keep that hope alive. Have a good weekend!
I have a soon to be 9-year-old daughter and
pregnancy and the allowance of it most certainly does concern me especially when McCain is in his 70s and not in the best of health already. Yes, I was raised with family values and yes this absolutely does concern not only me but my husband as well. Yes, this is a big focus right now on Governor Palin and her family values. I'm only one voice, but one voice that is concerned about this teenage girl and it being "allowed" and "accepted." This goes against any core family values I've learned my entire life. Does this mean it's okay for her daughter? Does this mean that this candidate will just "ignore" issues if she had to step in as President blaming us the country and not herself for her own misjudgements or her own "oversites?"
I was just 1 year shy of being able to vote at 21 then...sm
but was very involved in the election. I couldn't wait to be able to vote for him after I was of age but we all know what happened with that. Then MLK and Bobby. I think that Obama has the same intellect and vision that Jack and Bobby had, as well as being very charismatic. I am glad to have a second chance to vote for someone with my vision for America.
We both just graduated this year
Him with a four year degree and me with my MT certificate. I am back in school finishing my psych degree I had originally started. Since he is a history major and the job market is pretty much frozen right now, he is having trouble finding a job. Therefore he works with his dad building houses for $300 a week like I previously stated. At the rate we are going I make $400 a week MTing (remember, I'm P/T because of school) So at $700 a week x 4 weeks a month =$2800 a month x 12 months = $33,600 dollars. Almost $10,000 more than last year, but still not a lot compared to most.
Make sense?
Now I'm sure when my husband does find a career position we will be substantially better, but for now, this is what we have, so this is what we work with. But I'm not going to come digging in your pockets so I can buy all the newest toys and gadgets!
From a 13-year-old girl
My daughter is in 8th grade. For the election, the students are to go to each candidate's web site and research the candidates, and then the students will vote (using a real voting booth - cool mom!)
She told me that she started her research today, and she found that when she looked at Obama's web site it talked about his family and such, and then his proposals for change. When she went to McCain's web site, all she found initially, were negative things about Obama, and that was the main point of his web site, but on the sides, she could dig out a little more on the issues.
She was wondering why people have to be so negative. She said, "Doesn't Gram (my mother) always say that when people spend all their time talking badly about other people, it is because they have nothing good to say about themselves?"
She hasn't decided who she will vote for (but she is a tree-hugger of her own accord), and I think she will probably lean left.
Anyway, I am now off to take a better look at the 2 web sites to see what I see.
Peace,
CB
I bet within a year, you will be wondering WHY you
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when we got laid off last year, I
moved the 401K to AARP who put it in all conservative bonds and I have lost about 2% of it this quarter.
on unemployment this year, which is
now over, thanks to G.Bush, I did get an extra 13 weeks, but I managed to raise 4 kids alone, thank goodness I made it.
Some of My Thoughts for the New Year
Some of my political views are not the norm here, but that is ok, viva LA difference! I will just explain a couple,
1- I do not understand why anyone, particularly women, would vote for the Republicans- they are sort of like the Chinese Communist Party, or the govt. in 1984. For example, a few years ago, the said Murphy Brown was a terrible influence. Never mind that the character was financially well established, and a mature woman actually making a decision, rather than a teenage whoops! This year at the convention, lots of folks wore buttons talking about how much they support unwed mothers. My feeling is they only support them while pregnant, and don’t care about them once the baby is born. In fact, they scorn them. If a woman works, and something happens to her child, she is viewed as an unfit mother because she should have been home. On the other hand, the whole “welfare mom “was demonized because she just “sat at home making babies rather than working”
In addition why support a party who does not have your best interests at heart? Most people are middle/lower middle/ and lower class… why support the elite few?
2- Roe v. Wade is a very smart ruling, and anyone who really understands constitutional law, would agree. “Roe v. Wade was decided primarily on the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights. The Court's decision in this case was that the Ninth Amendment, in stating that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," protected a person's right to privacy.”
No one has the right to say that their belief should supersede mine. I believe life does not begin at conception, ergo, no one should legislate my body, worry about your own.
3- I believe in gun control. No one needs anything more than a hunting rifle (if that) in their home. Period. No one is keeping the government in check by keeping a gun- it is a load of malarkey. Crime has decreased- not because of guns, but because people were more prosperous. That has ended. We need social programs, and for corporations to be a part of society and not just answer to share holders so that we can all work together to turn things around. That will keep crime down- not everyone owning killing machines.
4- Everyone is entitled to health care. It should be a right, not the privilege of the few. We call ourselves civilized, yet we have people starving or dying from lack of health care right in our midst.
5- I am against the death penalty. I never got the eye for an eye thing. Yes, I have been the victim of a violent crime, but a violent reaction doesn’t undo what happened, it only re-enforces the whole cycle.
Six months to a year
I'd like see what happens in six months to a year when our economy is still in the toilet, more and more people are still without jobs and losing them if the sheeple will still be saying Obama is the answer to their prayers. Their eyes will be open then but it will be too late.
My 14-year-old daughter.
The girls were together one night at a friend's house. They heard it through school that Obama family do not believe in Christmas gifts to the girls nor do they believe in giving Birthday gifts. There are also questions if Obama family believe in Thanksgiving.
Looked on line (Google) and cannot get a straight answer, just that muslims do not believe in this either. Do not know that to think and so I asked.
Our country in a year or less.
I think this will be our country in a few months to a year...people protesting our government in the streets and things continue to get worse....
Look up the 80 year old U.S. man who is being held
He is being held there unlawfully, even though he has done nothing. He is sleeping on a hard concrete floor, dying a slow agonizing death of pneumonia with NO medical care.
Even the mayor of this small Mexican town has reviewed the situation and asked that this elderly man be returned to his country but their corrupt government won't do it. BUT, they certainly have no problem pushing them all up here for me to take care of and when tens of thousands of them end up in prison while murdering, raping, stealing, etc., we give them medical care, feed their sorry butts, and even make sure they have an education at my expense if they want one, all to the tune of billions of dollars a year.
Believe me, if that little girl's family still cannot speak English, I can almost guarantee you they are not here legally. No doubt the girl was born here, which makes her an anchor baby, and should have made her illegal as well.
All those that want to fall for that pity thing will soon find themselves without and at the mercy of a Mexican-driven society with Mexican-driven beliefs. Talk to some citizens in bordertown states and the proof is in the crap going on in their towns.
Last year, it took 5 months before
we could call our money ours. Not 3 months. Soon, we will just be getting a weekly allowance if all the crap keeps going.
And I am right there with you, my Mom is 90, my dad died last year, my mom........sm
after paying for her wonderful Part D in addition to her Medicare to cover them was left with a few hundreds of thousands of dollars for his care, like antibiotics, like respiratory therapy for his pneumonia which he acquired from the surgery, like weeks in the ICU and RICU.......my Dad's life savings gone in a heartbeat, literally. Yes, so much better!!!
Till toward the end of this year when he has the...sm.
lowest popularity vote of any prez in the history of the US, we are deeper in debt than we could ever hope to be out of, UE is at its highest in the history of US and people are starving, on top of which your rights will be a thing of the past and you'll dare not to express your opinion - will you change your mind then? Go ahead and blast away at me - I'm preparing for the worst - I don't have on rose-colored glasses, nor do I believe all the yadda yadda that he spews out on TV with that evil-looking smile of his. And just to assuage your curiosity, I'm NOT a Bush lover, didn't vote for him either time, but didn't vote for Obama, either. In fact, IMO there are absolutely NO honest politicians left, and we are now at the mercy of the govt that grows larger and larger while the taxpayers get smaller and smaller from the huge and massive UNNECESSARY "spending bill" that looks more like a "thank you for your support" bill to me than any actual concern for this country. This is MY opinion and, whether you agree or not makes no difference to me - I do at this moment still have the right to think for myself and state my opinion.
Not really. I linked to last year's
version by mistake. Sorry about that. It is kinda interesting to compare the votes on both though.
This is about LAST YEAR'S stimulus
Now this makes sense.
Okay, he is buying them one more year -
Maybe by the end of that year things will be looking better for everybody and they can start to help themselves again.
I compare this to my daughter not having a job and needing my help right now, but hopefully by the end of the year she will be back on her feet and can survive on her own.
At least give people a chance. If he was doing nothing but letting people fend for themselves you would be mad too. Change has got to start somewhere!
Those who make you believe absurdities can make
You're doing better with an extra 42$ a year?
Sure will make a great nest egg..wow, in 20 years you'll have $840 to finance your retirement!! I know you'll be living high on the hog with that.
And you know you really can't compare what people accomplished earlier this century to what is possible now. My parents also worked their butts off, raised 4 kids with regular doctor and dentist visits and sent them all to college, invested wisely and left a half-million dollar estate to the heirs. My dad never made over 30,000 a year. But you see, when they bought a house in 1960 it cost less than 50% of his annual income. Doctor bills were 80% lower without insurance. A car cost 10% of his annual salary. When insurance did come around, it cost him $16 a month for the whole family. A semester of college at a state university in 1972 was $400. FICA didn't exist and Social Security was pennies out of a paycheck. All this was possible if you started in the 1950s and 1960s - thanks to Democratic leadership. I challenge you to find a four-bedroom house for less than 50% of your income today. Find a new car for 10%. Find health insurance for the whole family for pocket change. Send your kids to the University of Maryland for 10% of one monthly paycheck a semester. It ain't happening. Even when adjusted for cost of living and increased wages it can't be done.
It's social Darwinism now - you either be clever enough to get rich quick or clever enough to game the system big time, or you haven't got a chance to accomplish what average people could a few decades ago simply by minding a modest budget and working hard.
Ridiculous Book of the Year
OMG, even the republicans have to speak out against this..OMG, what is going on?
 Ridiculous Book of the Year
Saturday Funnies
You would think JohnFive in the noggin Gibson, a man who wished that Karl Rove received a medal for outing Valerie Plame and other idiotic takes on the world was going to write a book it would be about something a little more important than: The War on Christmas.
Jesus General wrote his Amazon review of the book here and found some hysterical Freeper reviews.
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Bittorrent-WMP Bittorrent-QT
Even O'Reilly made fun of him by saying that his title was Coultersque. John actually said there are children who don't know what a Christmas tree is. What's the number John-two? The horror. oh...Heaven help us!
Just wishing all a Happy New Year!
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It is just a sampling of a 3 year period. TI
Actually, no. There was much violence when we left Gaza.
you responded to posts from a YEAR ago....
old old news.........
Great movie! I saw it last year...
I highly recommend those who haven't seen it to do so. It is a real eye opener. For those that have always thought there was something fishy going on the in the car/fuel story it is great affirmation, and for those who never realized it, it will make a believer out of you!
If you only watch 1 movie this year...
it should be No End In Sight. I started a thread below about the movie, but that was before it had come out on DVD, and I had not seen it yet. I watched it tonight, and it was beyond informative. It features interviews with "high ranking officials such as former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, Ambassador Barbara Bodine (in charge of Baghdad during the Spring of 2003), Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, and General Jay Garner (in charge of the occupation of Iraq through May 2003) as well as Iraqi civilians, American soldiers, and prominent analysts."
I learned so much that I have never seen featured on any news program, and the information is coming directly from the "horse's mouth." I don't believe that even the most die-hard Bush supporter will find much in the way of inaccurate facts, as much of the information is coming directly from people who were actually a part of the Bush Administration. If you are at all interested, I urge you to click on the link below, which is the site for the movie. Then click on "MEDIA" to the right of your screen to see some very eye-opening clips from the movie.
It's been an exciting political year
I love how every state has been important this year. I'm in Idaho, one of the reddest of the reds, and for once, Idaho Democrats had an influence on the general election by our 70/30 vote for Obama. In every state, it's a great time to be a Democrat!
I heard she did not have a baby, but her 16-year-old
daughter did. The daughter missed the last 4-5 months of school.
Lying about a 16-year-old...less impressive.
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(And so is my 82-year-old mother, who has voted
4 year degree in journalism
SP has a 4-year degree in Journalism from the University of Idaho. Makes for some pretty interesting foreign policy, eh? At least O is an attorney, a graduate of HARVARD and knows LAW. If SP had a clue about law, she wouldn't be in so much trouble all the time for ABUSE OF POWER. Bring on Palingate!!!!
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