Wow, what an intelligent answer, and thoughtful.
Posted By: Not! nm on 2008-08-23
In Reply to: Merely an observation. I'll pass on this and - Let other readers draw own conclsions.
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Wow, that was an intelligent answer.
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Thank you for your intelligent answer.
That's what I thought. So, now, do we really need this bail out? Maybe not. I'm still watching Glen Beck and he is really interesting tonight.
I wanted to watch Casey (D-PA) interview on the local station, but decided to go with Glenn Beck. The interview with him will be on tomorrow morning, so I'll watch it then and report back if possible.
Very thoughtful post...
....and I too, have tried to be objective, and listen to all sides.
But what I come away with, is this:
1. Economy. Neither one knows much about how it works. Obama was just a lot of rhetoric again last night (so my husband said, as I had to work). But if you really, really listen to him, he and Michelle are all about class warfare and class envy, and being for the little guy, when they are the big guy, and really on the opposite side of most of the people who think that they can "save" them in all things and make them completely dependent on the govt for work, jobs, healthcare, etc. That's a welfare state, and I DO NOT want a govt who has control over every aspect of my life. Give me tax cuts across the board for all, not just the poor and middle class (the poor don't pay taxes anyway, so really, they're not getting a tax break from nothing, are they?). Wait and see if you only tax the rich more..they alrady pay most of the taxes anyway...but there go the jobs for the poor and middle class, if the wealthy can't afford to stay in business....Tax cuts for all is proven to stimulate all aspects of the economy. More taxes, on just the rich, will not.
2. Foreign affairs. Picking Biden was a mistake. While trying to compensate for his own lack of experience, he picks someone with experience...but he is more of the same in Washington....when Obama is supposed to be about change...I don't think I need to explain that one..
3. Health care...yeah, it's a mess, but keep the govt out of it, please. It'll be worse, much worse if they are involved. Socialized medicine does not work.
4. Iraq. They're kicking us out anyway, and we're leaving anyway, so for Obama to say he will get us out of Iraq, is a non-issue, because it is going to be happen without him, and the next prez will be bringing most of them home anyway.
5. I do feel we are safer post 9/11. Bush has kept us safer than you or I will ever know. But truly, I do not want a president who will "talk" to our enemies, and make them see reason. Obama doesn't feel like we're threatened by any of these terrorists, and he is wrong. And you don't talk to terrorists.
6. No, being imprisoned in a POW camp does not make you qualified to run a country. But the character that shapes and defines you from that experience, does. He was a leader when he refused to be granted release early, and insisted on every POW to be released before him in the order they were captured. That took courage, and character.
I believe McCain has more strength of character than Obama.
Yes, I agree with you that Obama seems like a good, family man, that says that he has only our best interests at heart. That's doesn't make him ready to lead a country. And I shudder to think of a more socialist welfare state, that he wants to put us all in.
Actually, your post here is very thoughtful...sm
and quite frankly, these days on this board, it's all a big joke to a lot of the democrats, you must agree with me on that one. What they see as jokes, and crude comparisons, usually are just plain crude, and are quite free with their zingers. I was trying to stay with the Halloween season, as I believe that last one from them was something about pig masks and lipstick for halloween. But I digress. My post was meant as a joke, but obviously not taken as one. My apologies to whoever mistook me.
But seriously, though, almost anytime there is a serious debate here, there's a few women on this board, with, shall we say, slight leftward leanings, who swoop down and ridicule the republican posters. Just watch...they are waiting to descend as oon as they see my post.....
They did it to me last night. Why would I want to engage anyone in that kind of senseless attack
As for your thoughtful post, I disagree with most of it, although I am polite enough to allow you your views.
Freedom to choose, freedom to post, freedom to be kind, freedom for hope and change.....
I'm not a rich republican. But I sure want to be able to think for myself, and work for myself, and take care of myself. I don't want any part of the socialism reform that Mr. Obama wants to bring about. I say no to big government. I say no to tax cuts that are really just a one time rebate to the poor, and then everything else will be hiked.
I say help people to help themselves. Don't keep them down on the "so called" welfare plantation. Enable them to help themselves, not take care of them from cradle to grave.
I applied for unemployment once, in my early 20s. It was an extremely horribly feeling, putting myself in the hands of someone who got to decide if I was telling the truth, and deserved to have unemployment. Much as I imagine it feels for those who have to apply for welfare, and social services.
But there are programs there for those that need them now. Those that need them, can have those services. We don't need bigger, and more of them.
Health reform? Yes, health care needs reforming. But social medicine doesn't work. Ask all the people in Canada that die before they can get in to see their specialist. Ask all the MS patients who can only have one drug prescribed that is covered under their social programs...they have to pay for everything else out of their pocket. I just did a tape on that very thing...shocking how long one has to wait for health care in a social society.
Social societies doesn't work.
Just look at your history.
actually your thought is very thoughtful...
I have been a Democrat for as long as I canb remember, and at the age of 51 years I find myself no longer wanting to be a Democrat, and I certainly do not want to be Republican. There are many valid points in your post; they make a lot of sense. I see this country going straight to the highest bidder; we are quickly becoming a Third World country and it's heartbreaking. Many of us here come from a background of hardworking, honest families, our parents raising us with what they had, and honestly, most of them did not have much. I too am extremely fristrated at the fact that some people on assistance fare better than the most of us who get up, rain or shine, to do what's expected - WORK. I know people on assistance who have said 'why work when I don't have to?..wtf!!?!?!?!!?
A good friend of mine who is a Social Worker has related to me time and time again that it makes her so upset and angry to have people come into her place of work getting assistance who are driving new cars, living in better housing than she is, etc. I too could go on and on but in my many years of living and paying taxes - SOCIAL PROGRAMS ARE INDEED A FORM OF SLAVERY and have hindered more than helped. I was a young mother and I was on assistance for only three years, and in that three years I did go to school, get training to become a MT and with the grace of the one above - WORKED. I also have MS; have had it since 1990 and if I did not have the health plan I have, my Avonex would cost $1,200/month. My MS is progressing but I am working but in Jan 2009 with the advent of voice recognition, my job will be no more. I was even told by my neurologist that I am not 'sick' enough to be placed on Social Security Disability; so I wonder what will happen when I no longer have a job, cannot afford my meds? It's frightening to say the least but I just think its criminal that someone who does not want to work can go to the nearest county assistance office and get help when I know I would be given the 3rd degree if I needed help. There is a LOT wrong with THAT
Oh, it was thoughtful alright............
not much intelligence involved though. All the run around speeches he gives for those who refuse to see it, just are nothing more than he says one thing and completely intends to do another. It's not that hard to hear for those of us who aren't falling for that Obama love fest you have going.
Thanks, very kind and thoughtful of you to point that out....sm
I must have been thinking of the democrat they compared him to at the time, Gerry Studds.
Wow, thanks so much for that post, really thoughtful and true!!.....nm
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Thoughtful post. What bothers me is that religious
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Very nice, thoughtful, kind considerable post. sm
Also very small and closed minded. It's your way or no way.
I really wish you guys were nicer, but it doesn't seem to happen, does it?
Really, really good points, just shows how complicated it all is! provocative thoughtful post, than
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why do you answer so stupidly, the right answer
if you had any brains, would have been......
'well, she made a mistake.'
But telling me that I need a job, is so stupid, yes, stupid AND a very weak point.
That was intelligent
now wasn't it, and quite disrespectful!!!!! I am a Christian and I took great offense to this post! People like you are the ones who are always saying how we as Christians are disrespectful and narrowminded, well ...... EXCUSE ME! What did this prove.
Oh, now that's really intelligent....NOT! NM
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Nothing intelligent to say? How like you.
Yawn.
Do you have anything intelligent to say?
Seriously, BigBlah, you're a broken record.
Do you have anything to say about the topic, or are you just here to blah blah blah like you usually do?
That's all you got.....nothing intelligent to say?
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LOL, and not nearly as intelligent!!!
I like to turn on Beck from time to time to remind myself that, unfortunately, the Boogie Man really does exist!! I picture him as the kind of nutjob that goes home and secretly downloads kiddie porn ...he gives me the creeps!
You win. You are far more intelligent than
overarching superiority. I am leaving now and will never return. You have shown me the light. I am not worthy of your time, and I apologize profusely for ever having posted here in the first place. Btw, the comment above was not mine, but perhaps they too will see the light. Thanks ever so much.
Thanks for an intelligent response
and for the information you supplied. 
one intelligent woman
The fact that you can write that in such a classy way should make the libs choke on their words.
Nice job and don't let anyone ever silence your beliefs.
My favorite part of what you said was this "There is nothing wrong with nor to be ashamed about in the way we feel and we are as much entitled to that as liberals are to liberalism".
For the party that claims tolerance, they are the most intolerant people I encounter.
Happy Friday girl
No, you just have no intelligent answers
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So did you have any intelligent comments about what you saw...
Or were you just posting to spew your schtick?
Yeah, we get it. You don't like conservatives.
Was that your point? Because that's old news and adds nothing to the convo.
Such an intelligent remark from
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Very INTELLIGENT Post
Thank you for pointing out that it isn't a Republican or Democrat problem. This is an AMERICAN problem.
Your message is the first one I have read that gives me hope that we can put aside bipartisanship and work together to fix this country.
We need all the great minds we can to get out of this mess (no matter who created it, that doesn't matter) and get OUR country back on the right path.
It is so refreshing to read an intelligent post that isn't full of blame and bile. Thank you for giving me hope again.
Okay, and thanks for being getting me off this board, wow, it has been fun and intelligent.nm
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This is not an intelligent explanation
First, if the administration was pushing for good things for our country, not taking the country down the path of socialism/communism and had a good plan for the future to get us on the road to recovery, everyone would want him to succeed. But since he is not and we're on the brink of depression/socialism with no hopes for the future and no plans to help Americans, more unemployment ahead, more people losing homes, etc, yes we want "that" to fail (not "him", we want "that" to fail). If it was anyone else in the seat doing the same actions I would wish for the same thing. If Hillary, Mit Romney, John Edwards, Mike Huckabee, etc had the same exact failing policies that are being pushed on us now I would have the same opinion.
I've listed to plenty of their lies they are spewing. This is not an "intelligent explanation about the plan for this country". This is another distortion and lies to us and we are tired of it.
Calling people un-American because they are tired of being lied to is really un-Patriotic.
You laugh because you have nothing intelligent
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Thanks God that there are also intelligent people
on this board! Not many, but there are.
There are people who think only to their NOSES who should get out of their BOXES and breath some FRESH AIR.
You don't think there are strong, intelligent women...
who express their opinions in favor of Palin?
The conservative posters on this board are no more sensitive about Palin than the other side is about Obama.
It is not personal for me either. I'm sure Obama is a nice person...and I am personally sure he is not the right man for the #1 job. He has a socialist agenda and socialist policies and I think that would be disastrous for America. That in a nutshell is my problem with him.
So intelligent...but all the symptoms of Tourette's, how sad nm
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F: Obama more intelligent, better educated. nm
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Do you consider yourself to be an intelligent educated person?
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Still can't come up with an intelligent reply to the refute?
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Palin is very intelligent and actually been in charge
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Great... go.. we have intelligent conversations
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Belittling intelligent voters
just end up making you and yours look very, very small. It is sad to see the other party's apparent complusion to tear down something they cannot quite understand. Better luck next time with your candidate, your campaign strategy and your capacity to muster up the hope and inspiration so many Americans are feeling today. Maybe you too can find a way to feel a bit more proud of who you are and who seeks to represent you.
What makes you think Obama is so intelligent?
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Normally, intelligent people thinks for themselves
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Thank you for your intelligent, logical remark...par for the course
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That's because Obama is an intelligent leader (for a
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Agreed - and add intelligent to that list. (nm)
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Agreed - and add intelligent to that list. (nm)
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Wow! Excellent and Intelligent Post
This is a very well written post. It is very refreshing.
I couldn't have said what you said better - this is perfect. Thanks for posting!
What makes Obama intelligent? What has he
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whoop to you! Say something intelligent, for a change!.
Do you deny that Obama is popular in foreign countries
and very much RESPECTED, in Europe, Asia and all around the world, EXCEPT by the Republicans.
Bush for them was a 'dangerous joke!'
Being ignorant is not intelligent. He will shake
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your posts so excellent & intelligent??
you made me laugh! thanks.
Malkin is very intelligent and does her research.
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LOL! Probably the only thing shrub did that was intelligent. Talk about job
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Intelligent, smart, effective. Good ad.
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