Wow, thanks so much for that post, really thoughtful and true!!.....nm
Posted By: Cyndiee on 2009-02-21
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Very thoughtful post...
....and I too, have tried to be objective, and listen to all sides.
But what I come away with, is this:
1. Economy. Neither one knows much about how it works. Obama was just a lot of rhetoric again last night (so my husband said, as I had to work). But if you really, really listen to him, he and Michelle are all about class warfare and class envy, and being for the little guy, when they are the big guy, and really on the opposite side of most of the people who think that they can "save" them in all things and make them completely dependent on the govt for work, jobs, healthcare, etc. That's a welfare state, and I DO NOT want a govt who has control over every aspect of my life. Give me tax cuts across the board for all, not just the poor and middle class (the poor don't pay taxes anyway, so really, they're not getting a tax break from nothing, are they?). Wait and see if you only tax the rich more..they alrady pay most of the taxes anyway...but there go the jobs for the poor and middle class, if the wealthy can't afford to stay in business....Tax cuts for all is proven to stimulate all aspects of the economy. More taxes, on just the rich, will not.
2. Foreign affairs. Picking Biden was a mistake. While trying to compensate for his own lack of experience, he picks someone with experience...but he is more of the same in Washington....when Obama is supposed to be about change...I don't think I need to explain that one..
3. Health care...yeah, it's a mess, but keep the govt out of it, please. It'll be worse, much worse if they are involved. Socialized medicine does not work.
4. Iraq. They're kicking us out anyway, and we're leaving anyway, so for Obama to say he will get us out of Iraq, is a non-issue, because it is going to be happen without him, and the next prez will be bringing most of them home anyway.
5. I do feel we are safer post 9/11. Bush has kept us safer than you or I will ever know. But truly, I do not want a president who will "talk" to our enemies, and make them see reason. Obama doesn't feel like we're threatened by any of these terrorists, and he is wrong. And you don't talk to terrorists.
6. No, being imprisoned in a POW camp does not make you qualified to run a country. But the character that shapes and defines you from that experience, does. He was a leader when he refused to be granted release early, and insisted on every POW to be released before him in the order they were captured. That took courage, and character.
I believe McCain has more strength of character than Obama.
Yes, I agree with you that Obama seems like a good, family man, that says that he has only our best interests at heart. That's doesn't make him ready to lead a country. And I shudder to think of a more socialist welfare state, that he wants to put us all in.
Actually, your post here is very thoughtful...sm
and quite frankly, these days on this board, it's all a big joke to a lot of the democrats, you must agree with me on that one. What they see as jokes, and crude comparisons, usually are just plain crude, and are quite free with their zingers. I was trying to stay with the Halloween season, as I believe that last one from them was something about pig masks and lipstick for halloween. But I digress. My post was meant as a joke, but obviously not taken as one. My apologies to whoever mistook me.
But seriously, though, almost anytime there is a serious debate here, there's a few women on this board, with, shall we say, slight leftward leanings, who swoop down and ridicule the republican posters. Just watch...they are waiting to descend as oon as they see my post.....
They did it to me last night. Why would I want to engage anyone in that kind of senseless attack
As for your thoughtful post, I disagree with most of it, although I am polite enough to allow you your views.
Freedom to choose, freedom to post, freedom to be kind, freedom for hope and change.....
I'm not a rich republican. But I sure want to be able to think for myself, and work for myself, and take care of myself. I don't want any part of the socialism reform that Mr. Obama wants to bring about. I say no to big government. I say no to tax cuts that are really just a one time rebate to the poor, and then everything else will be hiked.
I say help people to help themselves. Don't keep them down on the "so called" welfare plantation. Enable them to help themselves, not take care of them from cradle to grave.
I applied for unemployment once, in my early 20s. It was an extremely horribly feeling, putting myself in the hands of someone who got to decide if I was telling the truth, and deserved to have unemployment. Much as I imagine it feels for those who have to apply for welfare, and social services.
But there are programs there for those that need them now. Those that need them, can have those services. We don't need bigger, and more of them.
Health reform? Yes, health care needs reforming. But social medicine doesn't work. Ask all the people in Canada that die before they can get in to see their specialist. Ask all the MS patients who can only have one drug prescribed that is covered under their social programs...they have to pay for everything else out of their pocket. I just did a tape on that very thing...shocking how long one has to wait for health care in a social society.
Social societies doesn't work.
Just look at your history.
Thoughtful post. What bothers me is that religious
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Very nice, thoughtful, kind considerable post. sm
Also very small and closed minded. It's your way or no way.
I really wish you guys were nicer, but it doesn't seem to happen, does it?
Really, really good points, just shows how complicated it all is! provocative thoughtful post, than
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If what you post is true, then...sm
Those people who say that Islam is a religion of "peace" had better get up off their prayer rugs and get out and make their voices heard and stand up for themselves. Because, by not denouncing the radical Islamic jihadist message, they are a part of the problem.
The Inquisition is mentioned along with the Crusades...at least they eventually got the message that what they were doing was wrong. Along with the witch hunts in the 1600s.
I also beg to disagree with you on another point..I happen to believe that there is only one true God, and his messenger was NOT Mohammad, but his son, Jesus Christ, who died to save us from our sins.
But then again, this is only my opinion.
actually your thought is very thoughtful...
I have been a Democrat for as long as I canb remember, and at the age of 51 years I find myself no longer wanting to be a Democrat, and I certainly do not want to be Republican. There are many valid points in your post; they make a lot of sense. I see this country going straight to the highest bidder; we are quickly becoming a Third World country and it's heartbreaking. Many of us here come from a background of hardworking, honest families, our parents raising us with what they had, and honestly, most of them did not have much. I too am extremely fristrated at the fact that some people on assistance fare better than the most of us who get up, rain or shine, to do what's expected - WORK. I know people on assistance who have said 'why work when I don't have to?..wtf!!?!?!?!!?
A good friend of mine who is a Social Worker has related to me time and time again that it makes her so upset and angry to have people come into her place of work getting assistance who are driving new cars, living in better housing than she is, etc. I too could go on and on but in my many years of living and paying taxes - SOCIAL PROGRAMS ARE INDEED A FORM OF SLAVERY and have hindered more than helped. I was a young mother and I was on assistance for only three years, and in that three years I did go to school, get training to become a MT and with the grace of the one above - WORKED. I also have MS; have had it since 1990 and if I did not have the health plan I have, my Avonex would cost $1,200/month. My MS is progressing but I am working but in Jan 2009 with the advent of voice recognition, my job will be no more. I was even told by my neurologist that I am not 'sick' enough to be placed on Social Security Disability; so I wonder what will happen when I no longer have a job, cannot afford my meds? It's frightening to say the least but I just think its criminal that someone who does not want to work can go to the nearest county assistance office and get help when I know I would be given the 3rd degree if I needed help. There is a LOT wrong with THAT
Oh, it was thoughtful alright............
not much intelligence involved though. All the run around speeches he gives for those who refuse to see it, just are nothing more than he says one thing and completely intends to do another. It's not that hard to hear for those of us who aren't falling for that Obama love fest you have going.
What a refreshingly true post.
Some aspects of your post are true...
whites were also held in servitude. And the fact of the matter is, it was other Africans who enslaved their own people and sold them to Dutch traders who in turn brought them to America. White America did not invent slavery. That being said, slavery is a horrible institution, wrong, wrong, wrong. But, we should all remember, thousands of young white American men gave their lives on Civil War battlefields for the freedom of those slaves. "Religious wackos" as one person above called them, stood up and called it the wrong that it was. And the Republican President Abraham Lincoln (another "religious wacko") took up that cause. The rest is history.
I will probably get flamed, too, but that fact is often lost in race conversations. While some white Americans did hold slaves (not all) and some white Americans did abuse those slaves (but not all), other white Americans righted that wrong by shedding their blood on civil war battlefields. Quite a few of my ancestors died fighting for the Union in that war. No one can change the fact that some Africans sold other Africans into slavery. No one can change the fact that some white Americans bought those slaves. Other white Americans did what they could, however, spoke against slavery and worked to have it abolished, and ultimately died on civil war battlefields by the thousands to in fact abolish it. I think that is a fact that should be remembered as well. There are always going to be the "bad" and the "good" segments in any race. But to focus on only the "bad" to the exclusion of the "good" in any race just fosters continued racism. Including all "white America" in one group and all "black america" in one group is just wrong, in my opinion...no matter which race does it.
Wow, what an intelligent answer, and thoughtful.
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Thanks, very kind and thoughtful of you to point that out....sm
I must have been thinking of the democrat they compared him to at the time, Gerry Studds.
true, your post has nothing inside it. Your point please?
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Original post is not true - see link for truth!
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
By the way, we have not heard peep from the original poster since the quotes she posted were proven to be, at best, grossly inaccurate and completely out of context, and, at worst, downright lies!
Great and balanced post, so very true, this crisis did not develop.....sm
overnight, and certainly will not be fixed in a short amount of time. And we are All going to have to work together and forget party lines, and forget about the blame, work on a long-term cure and get provisions in government so that this type of unobstructed GREED and thievery CANNOT happen again! Free enterprise yes, runaway deception, elitiism, and legalized loan-sharking and theft, no!!!! Thank you for posting, Z!
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.
Reprinted in Boston Globe. Sorry!
I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm
pYou have also to read what's posted 'inside' the message.
Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts. It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
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The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
Why did you post this? Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president? Why did you post that? I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board. Are you trying to start trouble? If so, let me know and I will report you immediately. No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president. Does that answer your question? Now, go back to the republican board. We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
Everything you said is true and can be
easily seen by just reading the board.
At least it can be seen by most of us.
But it IS true.
I saw a feature on it. They had videotapes of the recruiters coaching the kids on how to pass a urine drug screen. It is absolutely true.
I don't think that is true at all. sm
I think a lot of people are pretty sick of Cindy and her histrionics. I don't see it as political at all. A lot of people aren't going to sit by this time for another Vietnam where the antiwar crowd totally influenced the way the war was run.
Not true. sm
They are pro troops and pro Israel. You are definitely not reading that board right. Is it the guns that offend you? Or the war with Islamic radicals who all want us dead? I mean, what EXACTLY offends you the most?
LOL!!! Oh how true! nm
Not true
Re-upped? He joined the military because all his friends did. Read Cindy's description of how he got hoodwinked into going. Re-upped? No.
LOL. I like that...so true...nm
When in doubt, blame Clinton.
the true me
Happy and peaceful but when I deal with rabid conservatives attacking me..I attack back..Happy and peaceful in my life and in my beliefs, you bet, totally..I can sleep well at night cause I know my ideology/politics help people, I help people..I am an extremely happy peaceful accepting person..However, when I get attacked, I can give as good as I get..I do have to say, the net does not show the true person, so I dont see the true you and you dont see the true me..I have met people who I have only known in the net and when we met, we became friends..So I would take with a grain of salt the impression you get of people over the net..we are much more..
So true sm
That clip would be hilarious if it were not so true. It is frightening how true it is.
It's true. SM
I remember Nan talking about it. It was way way back when some of us used to put our e-mails on line here.
This is SO true.nm
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True that is.
Lesson good.
Even if that was true (and I don't believe it is), so what?
The one thing the radical right wing HATES is the fact that we have freedom of religion in this country. We are all free (so far, anyway) to believe in whatever religion we choose. It might be Christianity, or it might be something else. Why does it even concern YOU how many Democrats are Christian? It's simply none of your business, yet you want to jump to conclusions that may or may not be true and judge an entire group of people based upon religious beliefs, some of which might be different from yours.
This is my main problem with the radical Christian right. They don't seem to believe that other religions are just as good as theirs. They believe theirs is the best, and anyone who doesn't share their specific religious beliefs are judged to be inferior people. You want to force your narrow views on everyone, and surely you must know that just isn't going to happen in America.
However, if Americans don't wake up soon and if you manage to wreck America and turn it into a theocracy, I can and WILL move to Canada in a heartbeat to escape your religious bigotry. By the way, wasn't that the reason this country was formed to begin with -- to end religious persecution?
I can only wonder why YOU haven't been nominated for Supreme Court justice, since you seem to have the only qualification required by Bush.
Oh, that's right. You're obviously not one of his close personal *friends* who worships him like a god and licks his boots.
Why should she? It's true!
NOT TRUE!
MT was responding to a CHALLENGE to people to put their *money where their mouth is* and if they think this war is so *noble,* then why don't they either enlist or sign up for civilian services over there.
MT said she WILL. NO PROBLEM. SHE WILL.
No spin. They are her words. She didn't say *might* or *would* or *maybe.* She said she WILL.
You're the one who's doing the spinning.
I know it's not true.
Completely false and irresponsible.
Yes, well, that may be true.
And this board is intolerant and extremely violently angry.
Now this isn't true.
I am disappointed in you, PK. We had a pretty good conversation on here at one time. I actually thought there was some communication and I have enjoyed posting here. I never sidetracked anything or anyone. I was on topic. However, many of the questions I have asked her in response to allegations have never ever been answered. Why is that?
How true.
LOL! If I didn't know in advance that this paragraph was about Ann Coultergeist, I would have sworn you were describing the Conservative Board. 
I know. Everything you said is true.
I hope you have a great 4th, LVMT.
Not true
but nice try. :)
So true.
But more and more Americans are waking up every day and seeing how they have been deceived by this administration. I doubt that any of the die-hards on these boards will ever change their minds and see what's in front of their noses, but the good news is they represent an increasing minority in the USA today. :-)
This is true, we should be able to
hear the debate, but I have a problem with Bush debating anything...he is so embarrassing whenever he speaks...so embarrassing. We NEED a STATESMAN!!! and someone who has a command of the English language. Oh plleeeeze. (thud)
Not true...
It's rare that the baby is full term, but not all ectopic pregnancies fail.
Just thought I'd clear that up. :)
K
if what you say is true
Then by golly the Republicans surely have gone downhill a long, long, long ways recently. Especially if you judged them by the surly cruel posts made by the Republicans on this board!
Morally bankrupt Republicans with Annie Coulter at the helm!!!! He-he-he-he.. That ship is gonna sink!!
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