Worn out excuse...sm
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-10-11
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When I hear someone say, *I'd rather us be there [Iraq] than have them [terrorist] over here attacking our country,* I come to this question.
Does that really sound fair to Iraqis? Do you think Iraqis would rather us be there fighting [our] enemy in their country, which just so happen mostly showed up after we did, so that we don't have to fight them here? I'm sure Iraqis' are filled with joy that their country is at war so America does not have to fight at home. It's not a nobel policy and that's putting it as politically correct as I can for the purpose of posting here.
Seems the past six years blanket statements with no thought have become very popular. I've heard a lot of explanations why this war is a good idea, but to me that is the worst.
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As a worn out MT have you
gotten a little more worn out over the past 8 years? Might be time for those stuffed shirts you work for in whichever MT company to give up a few measly dollars so you wouldn't be so worn out. I understand Obama's plan perfectly. Do I expect he'll get it done? No. Would it be a good idea if he did. A resounding YES. Research the facts for yourself and stop listening to Fox.
Trivial. Trite. Worn out.
Boring.
You have absolutely worn this childish
pathetic party of poop! When you hear something you don't like, just pretend it is an *unanswer.*
Just spewing the same worn out talking
to squat.
That's what I'm talking about! And you just made an excellent example. You may change your rhetoric, but you never change your message. Hmmmmm, that sounds kind of familiar, too, now that I think of it.
I don't dress in tshirts and worn out jeans, but...
I dress very nice and am appropriately dressed at all occasions, and I don't spend $150,000 a month, a year, and maybe even a lifetime. It is not necessary and it is wasteful! I think she can look the part without spending $150,000 and that is the bottom line - those clothes going to charity? It would have been better to take the $150,000 and given that to charity!
Yes, because he could not get elected no matter what he tried, like the man, terrible, worn-out, in
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Excuse me.....
How can it be easy enough to prove with ISP numbers if the ISP numbers are not available? Yes, I may be blowing this out of proportion but you seem to be contradicting yourself and your posts, as well as some others did raise the specter (sp?) of this being a nonsecure website.
I do know such outings' with a lot more info that just ISP numbers have occurred on other political forums, i.e., proteswarrior.com (although I am bracing myself right now for the retaliation this mention will bring from right-wingers).
Golly, I kind of feel like this forum is in the midst of being hijacked by the conservative in-your-face folks somewhat.
Excuse me, but I'm AO.
You are careless. Even a small brain like mine can see there are major differences in gt and ao's writing styles. Check it out. Besides, we don't even live in the same part of the country. I'm sure the administrator can verify that for you if it makes an important difference in your life.
Also, AO is not Another Observer, in case that was your next accusation. See, there's more than one of us out here.
Excuse me but it should have said *did not*
Geesh, I forgot that this forum doesn't like apostrophes. Do you ever make a mistake? I don't make fun of people's typos, but evidently because you can't stick to the subject or respond directly to my post without calling names it's just a rabbit trail to discredit me. You know, whatever, you've proven that you're not worth my time.
See ya...
Excuse me, but it's a law. sm
She was asked to comply by the police and she IGNORED THEM. She is not above the law. None of us are. Everyone should be concerned about this behavior. Bush had nothing to do with it! My gosh, the things you say.
Excuse me.
If you don't want my opinions then don't read them. It's that simple.
Sorry I dared to enter your high and mighty world. I'll leave you to your hate.
Excuse me, but yes you did. sm
I usually don't post here, but here is what you said below. You have posted on our board, so I am posting here. By the way, your temper tantrums and attacks are not doing anyone any favors. Not an attack but an observation. Here is what you said below.
*The neocons, of course, can't have this, so they send our threads to people like you to crash the liberal board, utilizing their very own name calling and intimidation tactics. They never gave a hoot about Israel in the past, but suddenly they see Israel as their new best friend. They're winking at God and saying, See? We're on Israel's side now and won't be one of the groups against Israel, so bring on the Rapture. We've secured our place with God. The Rapture Index has indicated it's fasten your seatbelt time and they can't wait.*
As far as for the rest of what you have said, most of us have always been on Israel's side. You are showing how really and truly uninformed you are by statements like this.
Excuse me.....
the first settlers were not slave owners and came here for religious freedom. The founding fathers were deeply seated in Christianity. The country WAS founded on those principles. However, others came who did not ascribe to those principles, just as there are those who do not ascribe to those principles now. May I also remind you that slavery was introduced here by Dutch traders who bought slaves in Africa and brought them to America...much later. And who sold those slaves to Dutch traders? I believe it was other Africans, who enslaved and sold their own people. The original colonists at first got along with the Indians. It was much later, in the plains, where the near annihilation as you call it occurred. All during that time were present the Christian missionaries who tried to intervene, were often killed for it, by whites and Indians alike. I am Choctaw, I am descended from the indigenous peoples. Indians also killed and enslaved one another. It is not an *American* invention. And...who said I was painting anything as *rosy?* My point was, and still is, and is borne out daily, that the further you travel from Christian principles the more acceptable killing, slavery, and all other ill of the world becomes. Turning the blind eye so to speak. And it is generalizations like you state above, that the entire country is responsible for what a few did...it is that kind of mindset, like the other poster who thinks *Republicans* need to be destroyed. That kind of generalization is dangerous. Blaming an entire country, an entire group of people, for what a few do is not realistic. Not everyone in the country condoned everything. All through history you will see Christians spoke out against slavery, spoke out against what was happening with the Indians, spoke out against segregation, spoke out against abortion, and on and on and on. Perhap I should stop saying *this country* and say *the people in it.* *This country* was founded on Christian principles, and for a long time for the most part most of the people in it followed those principles. As time went on, fewer did. And somehow, the tide has completely turned and Christians are the enemy. But, I do stand corrected. America, the concept of America, has not chnaged. But the people in it most certainly have.
Excuse me again...
See my responses below.
You said: You need to read up on your history of this country.
I say: Right back at you. And you need to look deeply into books published 100 years ago as well as ones published in this century so you get the whole picture.
You said: Why does it matter what the origins of slavery were? The fact is, most of the founding fathers either owned slaves or families' had owned slaves. Washington owned hundreds of slaves, although he freed them as part of his will upon his death.
I say: I never said the founding fathers did not hold slaves. Re-read my post. I said that the original colonists did not hold slaves, and they did not. Jamestown was settled in 1607...slaves were introduced to this country around 1640, several years later. That is the truth and that is what I said. What matters about the origins of slavery is you want to condemn this country for holding slaves. I don't see you railing against Africa for starting the slave trade...if no slaves to sell, none would be bought. If you are going to rail against something, rail at the source. That is like blaming the school child for taking the drugs the dealer sold him.
You said: What do you mean, slavery came much later. Later than what?
I say: See my answer above.
You said: This country still condoned slavery for 100 years.
I say: Please do not say *this country condoned* because this country as a whole did NOT *condone.* Huge numbers of people did not own slaves. You know that. Only the more well to do folks could afford it. And through the years several thousand people did speak out about it and did what they could, and in case it escaped your attention, we finally fought a civil war in which one of the principles was to abolish slavery.
You sid:
As far as the founding fathers and our rights we protect here's some info:
It's important to differentiate the Constitution that the Founding Fathers cooked up from the Bill of Rights. Today when we think of the protections of the American system, we usually think of the shining example of ethics and goodness contained in the Bill of Rights. These are the first ten amendments to the Constitution. They are primarily the work of George Mason (1725-1792). He would have been a Founding Father because he was a delegate to the convention from Virginia, but he refused to sign the Constitution. He realized that it failed to protect individual liberties and failed to oppose slavery.
I say:
Excuse me, yet again, but isn't this the same George Mason who himself held slaves? Yes, he did. What he did was speak out about the slave trade, but he did not give up the slaves he already had. Don't know if he released them upon his death or not, like Washington did. He was holding slaves at the time he was criticizing the practice. Pardon me if I do not see that as the height of hypocrisy. And you are wrong,because the Constitution did not address slavery is NOT one of the reasons he did not sign it. You are correct that he did not sign it because he did not feel it addressed individual freedoms; but, in fact, he spoke OUT against including mention of slavery in the Constitution (probably because he owned slaves himself). Get your facts straight.
I can find no mention at all of the founding fathers lobbying against the Bill of Rights. Please supply me with the historical references.
You said: Mr. Mason lobbied against adoption of the Constitution just as many of the Founding Fathers lobbied against the Bill of Rights. Most of the Founding Fathers disapproved of giving ordinary citizens such liberties as freedom of religion, freedom from unreasonable search and torture, the right of free speech and so forth. In fact, when John Adams (1735-1826) was president (1797-1801), he took away freedom of speech.
I say: Well, what John Adams did then is no different than what the Democrats are trying to do now in shutting down talk radio. Same song, second verse. Get after them with equal zeal, I challenge you.
You said:
The Bill of Rights is really the people's voice against the Founding Fathers; liberty against conformity.
I say:
You are very liberal with your interpretation.
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You said:
As far as the Native American disgrace/slaughter, all I can say is you have an interesting viewpoint that is not shared by many indigenous. Bhoo-zhoo.
I say:
It is shared by many more than you are aware. But remember my friend...we are still entitled to our opinion, whether or not it agrees with yours. Question for you: if you still hold such emnity today, hundreds of years later, what could be done about it? You cannot turn back time. Most tribes are doing very well, have their own lands, pay no federal taxes on those lands, and are among some of the more well-to-do among us. If the Nation does not share that wealth properly with the tribe, then the people should take it up with the Nation, which many of us are doing. Native Americans did not just suffer at the hands of white men. They have also suffered a great deal at the hands of their own, and that has nothing to do with this country and everything to do with human beings. There are the good and bad among us, always have been, always will be...in every culture, every population, until the end of time. And dwelling in the past does nothing to help. Learn from the past, yes; but do not dwell there.
And try to get your information from several sources. Study for yourself, research for yourself. I learned long ago that is necessary.
Excuse me....
Thou shalt not kill - there is a federal law against murder. Thou shalt not steal - there is a federal law against stealing...you will have to do better than separation of church and state. That being said, the words "separation of church and state" are not in the Constitution. It says that there shall be no state-sponsored religion. To my knowledge there is no religion called United States of America. Did that happen while I wasn't looking? Funny to me that the government can pull many laws right out of the Bible, but come to one that that doesn't suit the more liberal ones among us and they start yelling separation of church and state. Go figure.
That being said, most of the laws on the books today have "religious wacko" origins. This country was founded by "religious wackos," or was that missed in history class? Oh yes, I forgot...the more liberal among us stopped teaching that inconvenient truth. However, one can still do searches and read the original writings of the founding fathers...if one is really interested in the truth.
What would folks like in place of "religious wacko" laws? Just let everyone do whatever they want...kill you if you are annoying or a burden to them? Kill you if you are no longer wanted? Steal from you if you have something they want and can't afford to buy for themselves? America was basically a ""Christian theocracy in its infancy, meaning the basic laws all came straight from the Bible. It was also a democracy...the two are not mutually exclusive. And there it goes again, lumping Christians and any other religious group into one group of "religious wackos." Extremely divisive and unnecessary. And, it looks to me like it is not the "religious wackos" on this site who are going bananas when someone doesn't agree with them....
Excuse me?
Excuse me but I do not believe
I bashed SAHMs. I think it should be a personal decision and one should not be looked down upon if they choose to work or choose to stay home. You have no right to bash her any more than she has right to bash you for staying home. I work out of my home because my husband and I need this extra income I bring in. My sister-in-law stays home with her kids and my brother works his @ss off trying to support them and he hardly ever gets to see his kids because he is supporting his family. He wants to spend more time with them but he cannot. So why is it fair for him to never see his kids to support his family working 2 jobs? My mom stayed at home and I hardly ever saw my dad because he was working to support us. Don't you think that sucked with me never seeing my dad or was that okay because my mom was there. If my sister-in-law would get a job, my brother wouldn't have to work 2 jobs and he could see his kids more. If my mom would have worked, my dad wouldn't have had to work that OT and I would have seen him more.
It is great that you can stay at home if that is what you choose to do, but don't bash others for their choice. It isn't like SP is up and walking out of the door to never see her kids again and they do have Todd Palin, their dad, to be with them.
Excuse me, but I think that
"Divine and perfect order" originates in God and only God.
Excuse you. lol. nm
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Any excuse at all
Black Republican Activist Bob Parks predicts riots will ensue if Obama wins or loses the election.
Parks, a syndicated writer, talk show host, and Republican activist, lists his reasons in the video, Obama’s America: Win or Lose, as to why he believes an Obama loss would mean “things could get ugly on a grand scale” or that an Obama win would give ‘”punks” the “greatest of reasons” to take to the streets:
“Now what occasionally happens when a city’s team wins a championship? We have riots! There’s looting, hooliganism, vandalism, drunk and disorderliness, assaults, and sometimes injury or death, and this wouldn’t be about one single city. Can you imagine the potential for nationwide rioting by punks, looking an excuse and now having the greatest of reasons to do so?”
Excuse me? I was not the one
who posted that other post about being jealous. So please do not attack me when you don't know what I have or have not posted.
Well, excuse me! I am too new to this
board to be familiar with all the vernacular. I was just responding to a remark made by a poster earlier who spewed out a hateful personal attack on another poster, and someone asked the Moderator to ban that person from the board!
Excuse me....put yourself out there??
Because you ask a simple question that merits a background check and having your life made public? He is not RUNNING for ANYthing!! Do you hear yourself? The more posts I see like this the more I understand the way most socialist countries end up going....freaking amazing.
Excuse you, but...
he has already said that yes, he does fall into the over 250,000 bracket, and while noone likes to pay taxes, he would be paying taxes imposed on that bracket.
Excuse me?
Who gives a rip about medical records. I want proof this guy was born in the USA. I want proof before he can be elected president. Who cares about Palin's health. McCain may have skin cancer, but it is not as bad as lung cancer. Did you know Obama smokes? Shoot he could pass away from lung cancer before McCain's skin cancer. Honestly, cannot compare medical records to birth certificate.
That's the best excuse you have for the
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Please excuse me....(sm)
I saw scripture quoted and many references to God on here, so I assumed this must be the faith board. Funny how you didn't have a problem with that.
Excuse me?
Of course, we have the enigma of being home to some of the biggest crooks in the world (Bush, Cheney, Delay, Perry, etc.) but this is a beautiful state. Do not associate this beautiful state with the ugly criminals.
Excuse me, but I think YOU are the one with the
Whenver someone posts something you don't agree with you are quick to jump on and insult them. You have a very nasty attitude and if you don't believe me, go down the board and read some of YOUR comments. You are the one who invites attacks by your nasty attitude and name calling.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
Excuse me.
Most of us have 401Ks and are anything but "gleeful" that 50% of the value has been wiped out. Pointing out that Obama and his Treasury chief had a significant role in the enormous drop in the market since inauguration day has nothing to do with "glee". It's just simple fact.
And even the Dems wondered when Geithner was going to get off his bony a$$ and show us the "boy wonder" that he was said to be - and isn't. Meanwhile, the markets continued to tumble. There's no disputing any of this.
And the markets have a very, VERY long way to go before any of us get back what we've lost, so I would kindly suggest that you save any and ALL market-related comments for that moment. You should know, thought, that it might be a very long time coming.
It took decades for the market to recover what it lost in the Depression. Meanwhile, of course, there were "up days" and "down days" and "up months" and "down months"...and if you had been living then, it would have been extremely foolish for you to make anything at all out of the little rallies that occurred. Don't make the same mistake here or you'll only make yourself look foolish.
Excuse me again. A little boy wants a
boyfriend and that makes him gay? Little boys have need of friends, maybe not so much as little girls, but they do have need of male friends. Where was the little boy's father at that age?
excuse me but....
This midwesterner wants to know, did you just lump people who do vote Republican and those who read the Bible with people who are illiterate, who do not get past 6th grade and do marry at age 16???
They had been looking for an excuse....(sm)
to do that anyway....and this would have been it.
excuse me?
What do you mean get back to draft registration? Draft registration is still enforced..... illegally I might add. In this state,whenever a male registers for a drivers license, unknowing to him, he is automatically registered into the draft.....ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL!
That is called forced servitude. Have you forgotten Vietnam? All that forced servitude didn't do a d@mn thing but cause the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent BOYS!
No, your military will not be good! You want people sent to war that do NOT want to be there and do NOT believe in whatever war our government has gotten us into this time? Pleeeze! Where do you come up with all this crap! I would much rather have individuals that have signed into the military of their own free will...which is exactly how legally it is supposed to be. Forced servitude is illegal and I certainly don't want someone out there that doesn't want to be!!
Heheh!! I use that excuse
all the time...cream filled doughnut why not, going to die soon anyway...dentist? Heck no - don't need these teeth much longer...term life insurance? Load up on that boys, we aren't going to make it to 70 anyway!
Heh, I can laugh but it's really kind of pathetic. I had a sister die at 52 of breast cancer nobody knew she had (walking, talking, eating, working right up to 3 days before she died!)- no health insurance of course, couldn't afford the COBRA when she left her spiffy management job of 30 years. That's life in the only industrialized nation in the world not to offer universal health care to its citizens. In other words, don't be stupid or irresponsible enough to get sick at the wrong time!
Otherwise live well and enjoy yourself while you can - I certainly do:)
Excuse me, but he did meet with her
I mean, if she's hated him for so long like she now claims then why didn't she tell that to his face the first time. Oh, the first time she was singing his praises. That's just blatantly odd. Most of us never get one appointment with the Pres., but this chick thinks she deserves a second one just because she's changed her wishy-washy mind because her son died in the military service he SIGNED UP FOR!! As John Stossel says, "give me a break!"
Excuse me, starcat said it
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Excuse me, but I don't need your skewed
description of what I care about, and of course I care about fighting terrorism. If Bush cares so much about it, why did he thumb his nose at the 9/11 Commission?
And I don't just care that Bush lied about warrants and violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. I care very much that Bush has done nothing BUT lie since the day he entered the White House, if not before.
I can't trust a liar, and I can't trust Bush. Sometimes he scares me more than the terrorists he claims to care so much about fighting.
By the way, can you tell me how letting people carry knives on airplanes again is helping to combat terrorism?
Excuse me? Labels?
Excuse me, but I AM a Democrat and I DO
agree with Liberal's snarky comment.
Excuse me....before Roe vs Wade we all had...
to hear you out there lobbying for the death of babies. You got your wish. To the tune of 1.2 million a year. It was your right, and boy are you exercising it. So be it. Now the tables have turned, and it is OUR right to lobby once again to stop the slaughter. It is still a free country after all, and as long as it is...there will be a lobby against the wholesale slaughter of innocent children...any child. If it irritates you so much that someone would be concerned about 1.2 million babies being killed every year in this country, over 2000 a day, don't read a post you know is about being pro life. Simple fix really.
Excuse me? JM has clearly stated his will be
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Um, excuse me, since when did giving
intelligent, well thought-out replies and giving one's opinion constitute bullying?
Gimme a break. Sam has every right to be here and she brings a lot to this board. Maybe if those who bash follow her lead in effective posting, the atmosphere here would be shall I say more of a good debate than a circus?
Excuse me, but we should fear someone who has a
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Excuse me....if McCain had won....
would you be coming out from behind a wall of separation and saying give McCain a chance and asking Obama supporters like yourself to reach way down deep inside and meet the challenge of healing halfway? I somehow don't think so. And please don't psychoanalyze me. My posts are not full of fear. I know what Obama is...whether or not is able to do what he wants remains to be seen. Yes, you are right, I have sincere doubts that where he is going is good for this country. That certainly did not change because he won the election.
I already said that it is up to Obama to either solidify how I feel about him or change my mind. As he himself said, it is up to him to earn my respect, and certainly my trust. He has neither at this point.
Why on earth would you think just because he is elected I would join the ranks of Obama adorers and completely ignore all that concerned me about him yesterday??
excuse me, that was wrong...
it is actually between "For a long time" and "has hated." Pardon me, my mistake, but "most of the world" is in there.
Excuse me.......that was an article and
!!
Excuse me, but the citations are there
complete with dates. Why don't you Google them and try to scour the context and see if you can come up with some sort of sanitized defense for the indefensible. I already spent more time on that hag than she deserved and it will have to be up to somebody else to come up with a way to have her come out of her own potty mouth smelling like a rose.
Excuse me but I was taught
abstinence only in school and if I would have had a daughter, I would never have allowed her on birth control pills, etc. because of the risk of blood clots, heart attacks, and it being almost a consent to have sex before marriage. I see nothing wrong with teaching abstinence only.
Excuse me? Clinton tried when
This was a few months back during his campaign.
Google Shuts Down Anti-Obama Sites on its Blogger Platform
It looks like Google has officially joined the Barack Obama campaign and decided that its contribution would be to shut down any blog on the Google owned Blogspot.com blogging system that has an anti-Obama message. Yes, it sure seems that Google has begun to go through its many thousands of blogs to lock out the owners of anti-Obama blogs so that the noObama message is effectively squelched. Thus far, Google has terminated the access by blog owners to 7 such sites and the list may be growing. Boy, it must be nice for Barack Obama to have an ally powerful enough to silence his opponents like that!
What a lame excuse
To bash someone. She lost, get over it. She didn't use her kids as props. If so then so did obama and Biden (his grandkid that he clung to his chest every time the camera was on him). Now that's what I call a prop if I ever saw one. Sheesh!!!!
Her daughter is not in politics. Leave her alone. And you should be ashamed as even Obama himself during the campaign said if you want to discuss him or Biden, Sarah or John that's one thing, but leave the family's alone.
You really can't get over her can you? News flash - She lost, she's gone. Time to move on with your life and live in the present day and looking forward to what tomorrow (and 2012) brings. Isn't it the Obama people that keep saying to look ahead and stop living in the past?
Here's another news flash. Bristol Palin and her boyfriend and their baby are not in politics. Take the idol gossip and gloating to the gab board.
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