Won't happen, because the party in power wants their votes.....
Posted By: watcher on 2009-06-17
In Reply to: Disgusting isn't it. - Trigger Happy
and the fact that they can VOTE and influence our elections is the WORST affront of all, and the fact that an American political party is on BOARD for that just reeks to the high heaven.
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Finally, a party that will put a woman in power
So happy right now
If you elect Obama....you are giving the power to the party...
who are largely responsible for the "mess" we currently find ourselves in.
Yeah, 'knowledge IS power". But, the power is
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Most of his votes are not voting votes....
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O's votes support his claims. JM's votes support Bush.
Believe what you like. Voting records tell the tale. Could use a few more details on that budget. Just what programs will he slash and and how many tax dollars will be directed away from middle class and in the direction of the rich? How much longer can the infrastructure afford to crumble?
JM adopted O's withdrawal plan when he saw how well it went over with the public in an election year. He flipped on the war once. What's to stop him from flipping again once elected? The nation is war weary. Some prefer a surge in diplomacy, not military answers to diplomatic failures. Ask the Iraqis who have lost more than 100,000 among them how sucessful the war has been. Obama has always understood that the OBL/Taliban live in Afganistan, not Iraq. JM, a little slow on the draw there.
I see nothing in JMs platform that backs his claims about transparency. I see specific plan on the O side under technology initiatives, continued initiatives which originated under Clinton and were reversed during the undercover Bush administration. Pork barrel spending for pubs means something different than it does to dems. Slash the poor to give to the rich? Hard seel in the current economic frefall. Also find nothing in JM's plan to address runaway contract corruption in Iraq. Having Halliburton and companies there props up those struggling American corporations. Show me the plan.
Antiglobal/antidiplomacy. No surprise there. This is about the futureworld, not American imperial delusions of grandeur. So much data on the drilling scam being an immediate relief for gas problems out there it is not worth addressing. Can you say T-Bone Pickens, i.e., we can't drill our way out of this one. He should know. Been an oil man all his life.
Since these are just a few, what else do you have up your sleeve?
I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
LOL. 3 more votes....obviously you ...
don't know who the heck she is....lol.
only two votes...
regardless of the weight of their votes, it was a "yes" to a bill that should be better. i still want to know what the crap this "tax exemption for wooden arrows made for use by children" is all about????
More Power To Them!
Makes me want to cry. They have been there..done that..dont ever want to again..They know the pain they will carry for the rest of their lives..More power to them..May they carry on to government and change this government and country for the better..Chickenhawks they are not..
TAKE away their power!!
There are kinds of folks in this country. There are right-wing kooks, religious kooks, left-wing kooks, serial killers, child pornographers, bigots/racists, right-wing militia people-whose-exact-names-I-forget and all types worse and better.
The thing is, in this country the decent people are the majority, whether right or left in politics/beliefs. That's why this country is so great.
When you fixate on folks who are overly negative you give them power. Please rise above the comments of those who represent a very tiny minority. I pay no attention to those who voice unreasonable beliefs and I advise you do the same. Take the power away from those people.
You have no power
run for congress, but spare me the eloquent opinions, gag.
you say that like we have any power now - nm
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Exactly what power will he take away?
What power is Obama going to take away, eh?
Our right to guns?
Or is it his communist plan or his socialist plan - both of which I posted earlier (as Obama MT) that are already present in our government under both Dem/Rep long before Obama came along?
Or is it that he's a Muslim mole about to take us over?!
Or maybe it's that he will let black people rule over white people?!
Or is it that he will force abortions on us all or make like gay people or let them all get married?
Wait, is it the one where he will force Boy Scouts to have homosexual scout masters and have to sleep in the same tent with them??!! (you've got to be joking)
Or is it he won't let us homeschool our children any more?
Or is it the one where he will actually end this war and let our soldiers come home with dignity without more of them dying?
Which power is it that he will take away?
More than half of this country feels empowered and evidently, the rest don't.
I refer you back to the website to read Homework for the Fearful. I would be doing just that if McCain were my president - and letting go of my fear and hoping for the best of all, for all.
Haven't you all had enough fear mongering from the right to last a lifetime?
Thanks for listening.
the man has only been in power sm
for two months for crying out loud! You wait and see what happens. He sits in the white house throwing money around like he has a "money tree" on the white house lawn, he wants to suddenly remove all military from Iraq (which a lot of the military are against) further exposing this country wide open to attack and you think this is a strong president. The only thing he is "strong" in is trying to promote himself, the Obama AGENDA
Wow - I wish I'd know before that I had so much power! _ SM _
If I'd known that I and others like me had the superpowers to cause the economic crisis, then I'd have also used that power to will myself about $50 million in cash beforehand.
Yes, we have power
Although this story doesn't emphasize the fact, others do. The outrage that exploded when the conservative teacher in Kansas lost his job has caused school officials to reverse their decision:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528484,00.html
Never buy into the lie that demon-crats and the media try to sell you that conservatism is dead. Not only ain't we dead, we ain't begun to fight! We're the same handful of colonial militia who defeated the whole durn British army a long time ago. First they laughed at us...and then they died.
And why would we thank him when it took 217 votes for this to pass?
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It does not matter who votes for it or against it....
it is morally wrong. Because it is legal does not make it right. While I will obey the law of the land, as my faith teaches me to do, I will continue to speak out against a procedure that is murder, no matter who chooses it. See link if you do not believe that life begins at conception. View that and tell me that abortion is not killing a living baby and then defend it as right because someone chooses it. That choice is choosing to kill a child. The one portion of this. If you feel that a woman needs a choice of whether or not to kill a baby, so be it, that is your right and I respect your right to say it. I do not and will continue to speak against it, and I hope that you believe it is my right to do that as well. Some of us must speak for the most innocent who cannot speak for themselves.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=76c82299-9a7a-4656-8ec4-0f6fc1fd6ae0&f=06/64&fg=copy
If it doesn't, whoever votes against it
will probably have a severe media backlash. They made these changes so that the two main arguments - that it covers illegal immigrants and rich people - are discredited. If it doesn't pass, I'm sure they're going to have to deal with the media.
90% yes, but most of the votes were unanimous, so
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Only 11 more votes and it would have passed. nm
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They are reporting they have the 12 votes they need. sm
Just like the Senate, they are making it clear they do not care what their constituents think. The peasants need to start getting mad and show up with their torches and pitchforks.
The more votes they get, the more viable they become. sm
I would still rather vote my principles than hold my nose and vote for a Nazi and a Communist.
Well I wish they could get enough votes to become viable but (sm)
I doubt that they will. I understand your feelings though because I share in them. I just feel like I have to at least choose one as better than the other and make my vote count, because one or the other of them is going to win, and I feel like right now every vote is needed.
If we could just get their votes counted
sure would be a wonderful thing for them. How many of their votes already been disqualified in Virginia, I believe I heard 200,000?
soldiers votes
you know, on the news last evening, in a very mild manner, it was mentioned that maybe only 30% of the overseas military's votes will be counted this election, due to mail problems, time constraints, etc. OUTRAGEOUS!!! To boot, this also happened 4 yr ago, and still no one has fixed it (tho 1 senator is allegedly trying). Where are all the hanging chad type screaming complaints, the concern for the (hate this word now): disenfranchised???? IMO this would not be a hard problem to fix, so why is it still broke? A soldier's vote should be most definitely counted, WITHOUT FAIL. Grrrrrr. not to mention, that in Ohio, reported also last night, the homeless can now list their park benches as their addresses, and vote. Mind you, you cannot collect help in the form of welfare/food stamps etc without a solid normal address, but you can vote. nevermind that the homeless are likely uninformed. (don't feed or house them, just give them a ballot and tell them who to vote for...) all the while, our military's votes are casually tossed aside, with an "oh well..." i am still fuming the next day.
With over 200 electorial votes sm
Obama is most likely the winner. I,too, congratulate him and Mr. Biden on their apparent victory, although I may not be happy about it. I just pray our country can survive what is coming.
We could only hope votes would be
changed, but don't think very many states allow that.
When all is said and done, I bet the total of ALL votes in MN will be....
more than the total of registered voters in the entire state of MN. Come on, give us a break. Do you honestly expect us to believe there are that many "missing" ballots? This has been going on since November 5. Where could those pesky 1,000 votes have been hidden all this time, blast those nasty votes.
That said, I have a question....with all this back room hocus-pocus, will the Republicans be able to filibuster? There are not 60 Dems yet are there?
Especially the power workers
God bless those people who came all the way down there, slept in their trucks in stifiling weather (because the media and gawking politicians hogged all the hotels that were left) and helped string line and get our power back on. They are heros, as well as all those who donated time and goods.
On the other hand, SHAME on the people from Indiana who printed up a bunch of Katrina T-shirts and had the nerve to come down there to sell them! Those who survived Katrina need no darn T-shirt proclaiming they did!
The power structure ,,,,,,, sm
This is an old clip (20 years old), but Ron Paul to goes into who they are a little bit. They do own the media so you won't see this stuff on the TV. Dr. Paul is a congressman so he is in a position to know.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4245169480003136735&hl=en
then again, perhaps it's abuse of power like
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So abuse of power is OK by you?
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Sue does. The power to become more of a liability to McC
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Honestly, it's all about power
for the democrats in office, in my opinion. They want people to depend on the government so they have more power. That's what should scare the heck out of all of us much more than if they are helping someone in need or not.
Votes counted by hand is the only way sm
by someone not getting money from the government. They were never able to call the state of New Hampshire on the news because their votes were all counted by hand. I am not sure if they still do it that way. Votefraud.org specializes on this issue, and there is lots of information there.
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.
—Communist tyrant and mass murderer Josef Stalin
Let's wait and see how than relates in votes....
shall we? :-)
Every senator on the floor during these votes....
has the identical experience Obama has. Does not make them foreign policy experts. How many times does someone have to say she was at the state level? She has as much foreign policy experience as Bill Clinton did when he was elected PRESIDENT. Geez. Your #1 guy has done...that is why he has Biden. He has never made an executive decision in his life, even in his campaign other than I am Barack Obama and approved this message.
John McCain is the only one of them, including Biden, with real and extended foreign policy experience. He has actually met with world leaders, not run the foreign relations committee. He is already known and respected worldwide. That is a no-brainer...and HE is the one running for the job.
Good for McCain, he has 3 more votes! nm
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No, because the Republicans don't have enough votes to pass it on their own...
even if they wanted to. Only the Dems. So apparently, they just didn't want it bad enough to put their political but*s on the line. What other reason could there be? They don't want to be the majority in case it tanks. THAT is hypocritical.
Just a few more votes on their part would have passed it. nm
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I especially liked the majority of votes to Obama
that was interesting also. Lets get democrats back in the white house for peace and prosperity to ALL - :)
Doesn't matter to me. I can look up the votes...
on regulation and deregulation. McCain was right about this crisis looming, Dems killed the bill in committee. What I saw was a 30-year product of what is wrong with Washington now and someone who is the antithesis of Washington politics. I am ready for REAL change.
To use your words, hey genius...its the Patriot Act. And it has already been used to foil plots within the US. We live in a different world now. Obama voted to extend the Patriot Act by the way. Just so you know.
That's awful!!! If ANYONE's votes should count is is theirs!!! sm
The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do. They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!
What about the military votes not being counted? nm
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by electoral votes - it is most definitely a landslide!
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In 2012 none of our votes will matter, if anyone
The signs will be obvious and the end will be eminent. You should worry less about politics and more about your soul, as should we all.
So what? All legal votes, we are not Iran....nm
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Power not granted to Bush
Power We Didn't Grant
By Tom Daschle
Friday, December 23, 2005; A21
In the face of mounting questions about news stories saying that President Bush approved a program to wiretap American citizens without getting warrants, the White House argues that Congress granted it authority for such surveillance in the 2001 legislation authorizing the use of force against al Qaeda. On Tuesday, Vice President Cheney said the president was granted authority by the Congress to use all means necessary to take on the terrorists, and that's what we've done.
As Senate majority leader at the time, I helped negotiate that law with the White House counsel's office over two harried days. I can state categorically that the subject of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens never came up. I did not and never would have supported giving authority to the president for such wiretaps. I am also confident that the 98 senators who voted in favor of authorization of force against al Qaeda did not believe that they were also voting for warrantless domestic surveillance.
On the evening of Sept. 12, 2001, the White House proposed that Congress authorize the use of military force to deter and pre-empt any future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States. Believing the scope of this language was too broad and ill defined, Congress chose instead, on Sept. 14, to authorize all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons [the president] determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the attacks of Sept. 11. With this language, Congress denied the president the more expansive authority he sought and insisted that his authority be used specifically against Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda.
Just before the Senate acted on this compromise resolution, the White House sought one last change. Literally minutes before the Senate cast its vote, the administration sought to add the words in the United States and after appropriate force in the agreed-upon text. This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas -- where we all understood he wanted authority to act -- but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens. I could see no justification for Congress to accede to this extraordinary request for additional authority. I refused.
The shock and rage we all felt in the hours after the attack were still fresh. America was reeling from the first attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. We suspected thousands had been killed, and many who worked in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were not yet accounted for. Even so, a strong bipartisan majority could not agree to the administration's request for an unprecedented grant of
authority.
The Bush administration now argues those powers were inherently contained in the resolution adopted by Congress -- but at the time, the administration clearly felt they weren't or it wouldn't have tried to insert the additional language.
All Americans agree that keeping our nation safe from terrorists demands aggressive and innovative tactics. This unity was reflected in the near-unanimous support for the original resolution and the Patriot Act in those harrowing days after Sept. 11. But there are right and wrong ways to defeat terrorists, and that is a distinction this administration has never seemed to accept. Instead of employing tactics that preserve Americans' freedoms and inspire the faith and confidence of the American people, the White House seems to have chosen methods that can only breed fear and suspicion.
If the stories in the media over the past week are accurate, the president has exercised authority that I do not believe is granted to him in the Constitution, and that I know is not granted to him in the law that I helped negotiate with his counsel and that Congress approved in the days after Sept. 11. For that reason, the president should explain the specific legal justification for his authorization of these actions, Congress should fully investigate these actions and the president's justification for them, and the administration should cooperate fully with that investigation.
In the meantime, if the president believes the current legal architecture of our country is insufficient for the fight against terrorism, he should propose changes to our laws in the light of day.
That is how a great democracy operates. And that is how this great democracy will defeat
terrorism.
The writer, a former Democratic senator from South Dakota, was Senate majority leader in 2001-02. He is now distinguished senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.
© 2005 The Washington Post Company
Why do you give Bush the power
to do this to you?
*I die a little inside each time I see President Bush on TV or read about another dumb thing he said. It bothers me so much!!!*
Wow, if you give someone that much power over your emotions and life you have to be living a sad existence.
He's really not THAT BAD, but of course you already know that.
Sounds familiar, nut at the top has the power!
Not all socialist states have fallen to such a state, many just fizzled out like lambs. Some countries today still have socialistic parties though have not adopted full-blown socialism as an ideal and have enjoyed economic success while keeping the head dog in check.
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