Why wont Obama just show his long-form
Posted By: vault copy and clear it up, huh? creepy.nm on 2008-11-29
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It is the original long form birth certificate
that usually has more information about parents, their address, occupation, baby weight etc., on it, as opposed to the abridged version which only will have DOB and parents names,for example.
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC...HMMM
Just stop the conspiracy by showing your long form BC, why hire three law firms...HMMM
Can you believe how long this show has...sm
been on and always with high ratings? Almost 40 years? It tells us that we need to be not so serious and laugh at ourselves and take a break from being so serious all the time. My favorites are still the originals but haven't watche it much the last few years,
Everyone Obama appoints appears to be some form
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Show me where Obama has said he would provide
did not earn income. Try to stay on task with this Sam. The associations argument is a one-way conversation headed toward a dead-end destination. Let's talk PROGRESSIVE TAX...which is the central issue here.
SP seems to be fine with windfall profits....call them what you like, rebate of whatever, but they are still windfall profits redistributed oil company revenues to the owners of "collectively owned resources"...her words, not mine.
Did you look at the chart? Do you have any comment on those telling historical rates? What about McCain's intent to keep the progressive tax structure as is...since it has serve our CAPITALIST economy well in the past.
Your argument is bankrupt. No soup for you.
Show us how her experience is "more" than Obama's.
Nothing wrong with serving local community, but never hurts to serve yourself while you're at it. Thing is, other than showing how squeaky clean she is and playing into the public perception of government corruption, what exactly did she do for the PEOPLE in the community?
Of course she pro-life. Of course she is against gay marriage. Anything less would have spelled political suicide for McCain, especially after all the uproar from the right when he was considering one of his own maverick choices…Tom Ridge. Towing party line ..despicable in democrats, according to you, but GREAT when the republicans do it. Double standards do not enhance one's credibility.
She got rid of him, all right, along 35 of his appointees (she was one among them). Just wondering on what grounds they were all fired. Guilt by association, perhaps? Like the poster said, beware the woman scorned.
Don't have to be careful about the lack of experience issue. McCain has killed that one by his own hand. Careful, Sam, your bias is showing again. By what stretch of the imagination does 8 years serving a tiny Alaska community and less than 2 years as governor with no identifiable benefit to the voters who put her there constitute more experience than 7 years as a state senator, 3 war on terrorism years in the US senate, and a successful bid for the party nomination for the highest office in the land (a position of popular mandate, NOT selection by one man)? Holds plenty of water now, thanks to your #1 chair. Enlighten us, please.
Service to the people? What programs here directly served her citizens instead of her own personal agenda? Slashing funds for local construction projects? Where's the meat here? Ethics clean-up her main claim to fame? She's going to have to come out and play with the big boys now. Whistelblowing not likely to win her any Miss Congeniality contests in DC. How many of us "little people" want her to be on the other end of that 3 a.m. phone call? What's will she do, tell them to go clean their house? Pitiful.
Check the new show about Obama at 9EST
Studies show that Barrack Obama
has had a major advantage in this election because of the liberal leaning media. Here is how balanced the news media has been.
Including all the media in one lump....there were 57% negative McCain articles and only 29% negative Obama articles.
In newspapers.....69% negative McCain and only 28% negative Obama.
NBC....54% negative McCain and only 21% Obama.
MSNBC.....73% negative McCain and only 14% negative Obama.
Fox News.....40% negative McCain and 40% negative Obama.
Looks to me like the only media that seems to be fair to each candidate would be.....would you look at that.....Fox News. At least Fox News covers both sides and lets their viewers decide instead of just showing more negative Obama articles to try and swing our decisions like all the other news media appears to be doing in favor of Barrack Obama.
I agree with Obama's decision to not show them. (sm)
It would embolden our enemies and help to recruit more terrorists. I thought Obama, once again, listened to both sides and then made his decision. If only Bush could have done that, instead of only hiring aides that would reflect HIS views and discarding those who didn't, including some of those "generals on the ground" that Bush claimed to honor.
I don't understand the posts below about Obama showing the photos. Last I heard, the complete opposite was true. Did something change, or are these comments just another attempt to completely ignore the truth in order to continue their assault on Obama, regardless of whether it's true or not?
As long as Obama is in charge, you better believe it
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Obama made the same statement long before
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This is long but worth the read, about Obama senior...
foreign policy advisor....
http://www.rense.com/general80/obb.htm
Obama and his supporters dont care. as long as
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What if Obama didn't hang around with terrorists? What if he was not a long-time follower of a r
Then I would be voting for him.
Just goes to show the j@ckas@es/crooks running the show!
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You'll be waiting a long, long time, then, cuz she's going to do
Beck says - almost every show - that he is NOT doing a news show.
He does an opinion show - meaning HIS opinion. As such, he's entitled to stick pins in little Obama dolls for all I care.
I can hear Chris Wallace laughing at you folks from here because it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that knows zip about Beck, or Wallace for that matter. In fact, I can't think what Wallace has to do with Beck anyway. Everyone of INTELLIGENCE who watches Beck and Wallace is perfectly aware that one does one type of show and the other does another.
But what do you expect from one of George Soros' puppet sites like Media Matters and Move Bowels.org?
You really should delete your Favorites list and start over.
He died a long, long time ago! (If he was ever
Don't force your beliefs on others. It further devalues your faith in the eyes of others.
In rare form, I agree with you...nm
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Like women who are resistant to every form of BC
Before you start preaching to me about adoption, been there, done that. Easy for you to say from your ivory tower pulpit. Try it once of twice, like I did, and then come back and tell us all how right it is for "everyone concerned." Blinded to your own gender by right-wing dogma. Not exactly the perfect example to follow. Stay out of other people's business unless you know what you are talking about.
She has raised most all her kids while in some form...
of public service. I think she is fully capable of raising this one. I see no evidence to the contrary.
Come on now...are you saying that if the Obamas had a down's child and he was elected that Michelle should just stay in the white house and raise him and not do what the first ladies normally do? They travel, they give speeches, yada yada.
Palin's husband will be of help. It's not like she is going to be in DC, just she and Trig with no help whatsoever.
Yes, he is a down's baby, but he is perfectly healthy in every other way.
Yes. I also know that Buffet is a rare form of CEO.
Man of principle, to be sure. Drives you crazy, doesn't it?
Then why does your opinion always form on the left?????? (sm)
I doubt you really truly watch Fox News and Fox programs as you much as say you do. You are seem far too liberal to do so with any regularity. They are definitely middle and more towards left, than right, in their attempt to be fair and balanced.
Same goes for a lot of O'Reilly. Two left views for one right view.....
Really wish there was a real and true conservative network out there. Fox ain't it, anymore, honey.
Now Rush....ever listen to Rush? He's a true, blue righie, that's for sure. Nice to have someone with the guts these days to be consistently on the right of everything.
Wow, JTBB. You are in top form today.
Keep 'em coming. I couldn't improve on this thread if my life depended on it.
ROFLMAO --- I am in no way, shape or form
Sam who posts on this board, but thanks for the laughs.
I don't usually post on this board that often because it's usually a waste of time, but I was bored last night.
It is definitely some form of prejudice! So if not racism...
To say someone's administration is a failure 3 months into a 48 month term is pre-judging. Prejudging is another word for prejudice.
No matter what kind of sanctimonious spin they want to put on their words, the bottom line is their are prejudiced.
"Flattery is the sincerest form of fla"
Were you trying to say "IMITATION is the sincerest form of flattery", perhaps?
If so, it's one of those stupid bits of "common wisdom" that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Go stand in front of the gorilla cage at the zoo and you'll see what I mean...unless, of course, you consider that the gorillas are flattering you.
True to form, if you can't refute, attack. nm
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True to form...if you can't refute, attack. nm
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Words in the form of an executive order
If you are content to subscribe in all this voodoo spell casting and foreboding pronouncements to nowhere, be my guest. I prefer to stay grounded in the reality of the moment and give time for the plan to unfold.
It was blue long ago and turning blue now thanks to OBAMA THE HERO
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Form email from John Kerry and my reply
...and my response. (Warning: It's lengthy.)
This is our moment of truth. You and I have to make it absolutely clear that we won't stand for Republican Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
Yesterday, an extraordinary congressman, former Marine Drill Sergeant and decorated Vietnam veteran, spoke out on the war in Iraq. He didn't come to that moment lightly. He spoke his mind and spoke his heart out of love for his country and support for our troops. No sooner had the words left his lips than the vicious assault on his character and patriotism began.
Today, in a statement on the Senate floor, in interviews with the national media, and in this message to you, I am seeking out every opportunity to defend a brave American hero that the Republican attack machine has set their sights on.
I urge you to do the same. Whether you agree or disagree with Jack Murtha is irrelevant. These despicable attacks on Jack Murtha's patriotism and courage must be met with an enormous public outcry. Call your local talk radio show, write a letter to the editor, phone your members of Congress - join me in acting now to reject these Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform of their country have aimed their venom at a marine who served America heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever since. No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and conscience.
Dennis Hastert -- the Speaker of the House who never served -- accused Jack Murtha of being a coward. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasn't a coward when he put himself in harm's way for his country in Vietnam and earned two purple hearts -- he was a patriot then, and he is a patriot today. Jack Murtha's courage in combat earned him a Bronze Star, and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today cut and run from the truth.
Instead of letting his cronies run their mouths, the President for once should stop his allies from doing to Jack Murtha what he set them loose to do to John McCain in South Carolina and Max Cleland in Georgia.
The President should finally find the courage to debate the real issue instead of destroying anyone who speaks truth to power as they see it. It's time for Americans to stand up, fight back, and make it clear it's unacceptable to do this to any leader of any party anywhere in our country.
I urge you to join today in a massive public outcry that rejects the attempt to demonize and destroy anyone who dares to disagree with George W. Bush's aimless stay for as long as it takes policy on Iraq.
Please act now. Call and email your elected officials. Flood talk radio with calls rejecting these vicious smear tactics. Send a letter to the editor.
Express your outrage about the tired old Rovian Swift Boat style attacks on Jack Murtha.
Sincerely,
John Kerry
MY REPLY:
Dear Senator Kerry:
I absolutely agree with everything you wrote, and I have been posting my views on political message boards, as well as emailing Duncan Hunter, and I've written a four-page letter to Congressman Murtha himself.
Now I must address YOUR response to the attacks on Congressman Murtha.
I thank you for your defense of him; however, I felt it was very, VERY weak. (By the way, please pass this on to Senators Clinton and Reid so they might get a clue into what makes the majority of Americans tick).
For years now, Democrats, including yourself, have openly expressed their opposition to the Iraq war, but you haven't had one single idea to fix the problem, and when asked WHY you voted for it (before you voted against it), you all give some lame, limp, meaningless excuse.
NOW is the time to aggressively defend Congressman Murtha and his plan for leaving Iraq. Bush HAS NO PLAN. MURTHA DOES. It's really quite a simple concept.
Although I'm beginning to lose patience with you all, let's regroup and start over. Today is the first day of the rest of our lives.
I realize that most of you fell down on the job and didn't really scrutinize the Bush intelligence (this term is found in the dictionary under oxymoron and/or just plain old moron).
You were probably busy and didn't have time to read thousands of pages of documents. That's understandable. What's even more understandable is that as President of the United States, there's a preconceived notion that this person is, in fact, ethical and honorable. We now know that is not the case. We now know that he possibly took America to war on the blood of thousands of 9/11 victims simply to insure a successful Presidency. NOW is the time to admit that you, as well as every intelligent, thinking American and the entire WORLD, were FOOLED by this man because he was so blatant and aggressive in his pursuit of this war, it simply never occurred to any of you that you were dealing with a man who planned on attacking Iraq before he was even (s)elected President. (See
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20...went_to_war.php,)
NOW is the time to expose the true character and motives of this prior alcoholic who never received professional help for his addiction. He comes across as a simple man because he IS a simple man, in every sense of the word. His simplicity extends to the largest deficit in American history, and his tactics remind me of a teenager who recklessly maxes out Daddy's credit card because he has no responsibility for the bill, given that Daddy will pay it.
NOW is the time to embrace Congressman Murtha's plan, since it DOES make sense, reflects an actual THOUGHT PROCESS taking place, and is the thing that most Americans want. This man is not some 5-deferment draft dodger or Air National Guard absentee. He's a decorated Purple Heart recipient, who has devoted his entire life to helping the military and veterans.
NOW is the time to reveal an administration who would place the lives of a CIA agent in jeopardy and with everyone who ever worked with her, simply because her husband exposed the TRUTH.
NOW is the time to reveal the administration's press secretary's Plamerizing of John Murtha. NOW is the time to acknowledge that you truly have connected the dots, and the picture of a lying, unethical administration has emerged. If you do this NOW, most forward-thinking Americans will probably forgive you for now just catching up with everything they've known for months.
NOW is the time to publicly condemn Friday's histrionics of the House of Representatives. I, as a taxpayer, resent having to pay for that crap.
Sadly, you've pretty much already proven that you don't have many original ideas. NOW is the time to attach yourselves to John Murtha's coattails and hang on for dear life.
In case you haven't figured this out yet, you're up against an administration who will stop at NOTHING to transform this country into a theoracy, who will brag about the impending freedom for all Iraqis, while simultaneously slowly removing the freedoms of Americans, as his narrow-minded base pursues control over every single American regarding when we're born, who we love, which God we're allowed to worship, and when and how we die.
NOW is the time to expose the evangelical recruitment taking place in the Air Force in Colorado and the accompanying ridicule and persecution of soldiers who have different religious beliefs.
NOW is the time (albeit it four years LATE) to prove you care about the safety of Americans and aggressively pursue the security of our borders so that al Qaeda members cannot come into America from Mexico and KILL US.
Above all else, NOW IS THE TIME to reveal this President as the one who is truly aiding and abetting the enemy by providing them free, complimentary OTJ training in Iraq where they can hone their craft while killing our American soldiers.
NOW is the time to STOP being quiet and milquetoasty and to aggressively pursue this Administration's lies (I know they're numerous, ongoing, and difficult to keep track of) and reveal them for what they truly are.
MOST OF ALL, NOW is the time to honestly express what Congressman Murtha REALLY said when he outlined his plan to leave Iraq. It was a very thoughtful, sensible plan, and the fact that administration henchmen are maliciously mischaracterizing it should be revealed and aggressively FOUGHT.
If you truly foresee a future for your party, NOW is the time to embrace and advertise something the Administration doesn't have: A PLAN for Iraq. Although you might be able to win some elections by simply being the least worst party, is that really the future you envision for the Democratic party?
The ball is in your court. Don't let this one get away.... again.
Americans are losing patience.
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I guess it's not bad form to ignore moderator requests
ROFL. You're in top form tonight, JTBB.
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He has shown a short-form fraud piece of garbage. I
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Saw the show. It was a guest on the show....
not a commentator. Why don't you post the link to the clip so everyone can decide?
Show me who your friends are and I’ll show you who you are.’
This subject is not old, and is very, very relevant.
Obama's friends/associates (supposedly former friends and associates, only since this campaign):
Ayers
Wright
Dorhn
Michelle
Khalidi
The company he keeps:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=
I find it very, very troubling, that this man has no visible friends, other than the ones above (not Michelle, although she has been kept under lock and key out of public sight for some time now, so as to keep her from embarrassing herself again).
Does this man not have any other friends/associates, other than the ones above?
Democrats See Dream of ག Victory Taking Form ...see link
see link
Too bad McCain can't form a sentence w/o gagging, slurring, making faces
That is his problem. Obama is eloquent... oh well
I know most of it's for show
But how does she get on TV saying things like she did about Jewish people? How does she sleep at night after saying something like that? She just gets more and more outrageous just to get a reaction - and yeah sometimes it works because what she says is hateful. I have no problem with anyone giving their views, but she's hateful about it and that is what I have a problem with (and no, as I've said before I don't condone hateful things on either board)
goes to show
even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Just goes to show you that you need to ...sm
have an inquiring mind and not take as gospel what is spoon fed to you by either party. I particularly like the "fact checks" on both party's candidates. The perception is that we American voters are fools and will believe anything we are told.
Show me a pic
I can't find a pic with a lump on his jaw.
show me
show me refusal to acknowedge - I haven't seen it.
Goes to show you - sm
McCain is concerned about the people. Obama is concerned about himself.
McCain was absolutely right on the spot when he said there needs to be an investigation, just as there was when 9-11 happened, we need one now for this crisis.
One more plus to show McCain is interested and will work for us, while Obama....well Obama is for Obama.
Once again....goes to show
how people who get their tail feathers all ruffled after someone personally attacks an Obama supporter on the board, but they have no problem calling McCain supporters names and personally attacking them by stating they lack intelligence.
Look in the mirror....your hypocracy is showing.
Don't believe it. Show me. nm
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You show me anywhere where he said...
95% of American workers WHO PAY TAXES. SHOW me where it says that. But, supposing that is what he means...there are still that 30-40%. Those people pay taxes. Then they get deductions and credits. They get back every dime they paid in and THEN some. They are part of that 95% who "pay taxes." Got it? And about 30-40% of the working public fall into that category. so it is back to square one. Yes, they "pay taxes." Taxes are deducted. Then they file. They get the deductions and the credits and whatever (I am talking about NOW). They get back every dime they paid in. These people technically "pay taxes." If you work one day a year and have deductions, you "pay taxes" and will be included.
I understand that you don't see it. I understand that you are filling in the blanks that he left open. I don't see it the way you see it. He is counting on people seeing it the way you see it. So be it.
YOu can yell BOGUS until you are blue in the face. I will yell NAIVE just as loud.
"He is assuming it is understood." Well, he is hoping that everyone will understand it the way YOU understand it. I am not so enamored of him that I cannot read between the lines. And frankly, as BOGUS as my line of thinking appears to me, YOURS is naive at best. So we will agree to disagree. If he went on television and told you tomorrow that he was going to cut checks to people who don't pay taxes because it is the right thing to do, you would be on this board defending the decision tomorrow night.
You show me where he says it is not.
You assume it is not. I assume that it will be. Based on everything his history is, based on everything he has said, including starting at the BOTTOM. Just where do you think Mr Obama perceives the bottom to be? What is your assumption on that?
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