Why do you call it cut down when all they want is to hear the truth
Posted By: icytoes on 2009-02-12
In Reply to: I have heard nothing but cut downs - from Faux FOX news, but here ya go from CNN
I don't get it. Whenever the truth is trying to be had if it goes against the crats it is called a "cut down" or mean spirited. All we want is the truth and Fox news is the only place I'm getting to hear the actual news story. Shepard Smith and others report news from all over the world. I stopped watching MNSBC a long time ago because if something favored poorly to the crats they wouldn't report it. I am surprised CNN came out with this but maybe that's because the Clinton News Network is mad that Obama's administration is giving Hillary Clinton a bad deal and making her position less important than it should be.
All I know is I want to hear the truth. I get that from Fox news, hence I watch Fox news and sometimes a little bit of CNN, but forget MSNBC. They are the worst at reporting news - only their hate-filled spew.
BTW - I was watching O'Reilly last night and he had a guest on that said he was making fun of Helen Thomas and the way she looks. Bill O'Reilly had made a comment that Helen Thomas' voice sound like the Wicked Witch of the West (and it actually does) but he never said anything about her appearance, but this guest kept saying O'Reilly was making fun of Helen Thomas' appearance (which he wasn't because I heard the comment he made). However, when O'Reilly asked her where she was when the liberal media was trashing Palin and Saturday Night Live was making fun of the way Palin dresses and talks where was she and her group. This lady kept coming back with the standard "I believe all woman have the right to run in politics, blah, blah, blah". She never answered O'Reilly's questions because she couldn't. They didn't come to Gov. Pailins defense when she was being trashed and made fun of but they attack O'Reilly because he made fun of a voice and now they are lying about what he said. He called it like it is - they are hypocrits.
Wanting to know the truth is not a "cut down". Right now the only truth I'm getting is from the news stories on FOX NEWS.
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You just don't want to hear the truth
Facts is what we get from FOX News. Unlike the other stations which only give you fluff and lies.
A simple "I refuse to hear the truth" would do.
What Conyers is doing is playing by the rules. This is a HJC hearing, not a congressional hearing. There have been a number of ridiculous restrictions on what they can or cannot say imposed on this process. For example, they are not allowed to utter the word "impeachment" and Bush's name in the same sentence. Absurd. In spite of all the obstacles, he opened the hearings and has vowed to see it through and to bring the truth into the public discourse once the investigation is concluded. He is quite aware of the fact that he is putting his reputation as a senior member of Congress on the line, so it would make sense that what goes on there is compelling. He is doing nothing to distract or circle around THE ISSUES. He is moving the process along. He is chairing the committee. All the details of the restrictions, who put them there and why, Conyer's position, etctera, can be found in the numerous links that have been provided and is well summarized in DK's interview.
The difference between him and you? Are you serious? He is familiar with every single player, position, stance, viewpoint, piece of evidence and rebuttal. He is a fact checker. He is not considering this evidence on the basis of hearsay. He is evaluating the integrity of the proof as it is presented. You, on the other hand, say you know all you need to know because you have "heard it from other democrats." In other words, you are not willing to even listen to the prosecution case or its evidence as it is presented directly from the source. Instead you talk all around what is really taking place inside those chambers. You are still doing it, trying to twist this into something it most definitely is not. Here's the deal. When you can't win on the issues, out comes the smear and smut.
No one said anything about your having made anything up about Niger. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make this about that one single subject. There are literally scores of talking points and hundreds of pieces of evidence to sift through. You are not the least bit interested in any evidence. If you were, you would watch the interview and post you rebuttals. You're not doing that. You are obsfuscating. It's what you do. What possible difference could it make in terms of valid claims and conclusive evidence whether this process occurs in formal or informal impeachment hearings? Truth is truth. Proof is proof.
You are not interested in hearing from all the witnesses or seeing all the proof. Exactly the opposite. You want to see no witnesses and no proof, unless of course it backs your own contentions. Stop trying to imply that the process is rigged. In the post 9/11 politics of fear world, the republicans would classify the White House address, if they could get away with it. Preponderance of the evidence usually is all that is required to achieve majority vote. If that evidence is incomplete, you have the republicans to thank for that. Do you really think that all that info held in secret is vital to national security? The only thing it is vital to is covering the neoCONS behinds.
You doest protest too much. More obstacles. Be honest. This is not about you want this and you want that. It's what you DON'T want that is plain to see. You don't want to face the reality that they just might be onto something. Another pot shot at Clinton. You really think that lying about an affair is a more serious impeachable offense than misleading an entire nation on the reasons for going to war? One thing is for sure here. As long as you continue to refuse to view the process as it is happening, instead of what you speculate about what may or may not be going on, you really do not have any way to justify anything you are saying about it. You say you have heard what DK has said. Okay. Did you watch the interview? What was in it? You must have skipped over the stuff about the live blogging from inside the chambers. The information is available for those who are interested. Go to the links. It's all in there….including information on how to follow it on a day-to-day basis.
Since the rest of this post has disintegrated into non-stop personal attack, I will not waste my time with it. Clearly, you will not engage yourself in any direct, honest, informed dialogue on this subject. This is still about your comfort zone. This just goes to show how extremely intolerant you are whenever anybody tries to challenge your ideas and how terrified you really are with what might be coming out of those chambers.
But the truth is, I didn't call you ignorant. sm
So I am not sure where you are going with this.
Obama is a wonderful man and people know the truth when they hear it nm
People know the truth when they hear it.
Bush worshippers don't want to hear the truth repeated
They just want us to forget what a mockery and mess that buffoon made of our country.
Oh, but watch out for Obama - that Democrat might just FIX everything and then the Pubs will have no one to point fingers at.
What a joke that anyone thinks they can defend that jerk!
Truth hurts, don't it? Hey, whenever attacked, call someone a liar.
Sez a lot about you.
As Saint Augustine said: "Why does truth call forth hatred?"
as is evidenced here with the unnecessary spiteful attacks initiated on what was only intended to be an innocent discussion that was specifically presented to JTBB.
The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
!!!! hahaha
Hear, hear! He is an exceptional person for an ....sm
exceptionable time. They say that God is watching us from a distance and I believe that is true. I think that Obama has a good pure heart, extraordinary intelligence, does truly want to improve our lives, and my prayers are with him. How about that he has Bobby Kennedy's desk (my hero).
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
GP, I like your sense of humor.
You call it hysteria, some call it concern for the
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Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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Hear ye, hear ye. We don't want to be scared.
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Then call it what it is...or call for conservation...
but don't make up a myth to try to gain control. That is what Gore is after...what all the global warming hoohah is after. They have an agenda...pure and simple. And the base fact is that a very low percentage of the greenhouse gas effect is from cars. Every time you breathe out, you contribute. Are we all going to stop breathing? Are cows going to stop belching? I have no problem with ethanol...I have used it. My husband is from Iowa...I would love it if we started using ethanol more extensively. But in previous years, Democrats (Hillary being a primary one) opposed the use of ethanol. I guess if I believed any of those people out there hawking global warming actually believed what they were saying it would be different...but I don't. The science is not there. As I said...if the real interest is conservation with the side benefit of less CO2...fine. Just say so. But as the article pointed out...if it is as bad as they say it is, you can't stop it anyway. It just does not make good sense to me.
Fine. Call if whatever you want to call it....
I will call it as I see it. I look at a totality of things. He has embraced black liberation theology which is racist and has Marxist tones for 20 years. There is no way the man went to that church for 20 years and did not know their doctrine. But, if you choose to believe that, again, fine. I do not. I believe he knows that theology backward and forward and believes it to his core. You don't have to. That is the wonderful thing about America. We can agree or disagree. On this we disagree.
Yes, I am feeling a pinch. But I don't think the government should take money from you and give it to me. I don't think they should take money from any private business and give it to me. If you think that is fair, fine. I don't. That is how socialism/Marxism takes hold. Historically it ends the same way. I don't want that for America. Perhaps you do...you want the pinch eased for you and if that means taking money from someone else that they earned, and giving it to you, who did not earn it, to you it is all good. To me it isn't.
He never has said who the $1000 checks are going to. I am thinking not every person in the whole US of A...so not only does he get to choose who he takes the money from, he gets to choose who to give it to. That would be another interesting piece of the puzzle. If he confirms to the Marxist view, it would be issuing checks to the "poor." And he gets to define who that is. You may be okay with that...me, not so much.
And by the way...have you ever researched an oil company profit margin? It is not as huge as Obama would like you to believe. But, again, he is counting on no one researching what he says. They hear free money and that's all they want to hear. Also, do you think oil companies don't employ people? You think it is one CEO at a desk in an office raking in billions? You don't think there are rank and file regular folks who work for oil companies? Whose jobs might be impacted by you and others wanting to take money away from their employers and doling it out to people who have not earned it? You think there is a chance they might have a problem with that?
I call, fax, and call again and I do campaign....
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
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Do you hear yourself?
You drive even other Democrats off this board. There hasn't been logical debate here in weeks. You have no idea how you appear on the conservative board. Like a bunch of grade schoolers. They have stayed away from the most part from here, but you have not afforded them the same courtesy. And yet you think YOU have taken the higher ground. It's just amazing your lack of insight into your own behavior. Just as you were accused, so was I. By one of YOU. Unbelieveable.
My God, do you hear yourself? NM
You won't hear that in the MSM!
Thanks for posting the article!
So what I hear you saying is...
...that you're terribly proud of youself because when you beat up on people and they bite back at you that you don't whine about it? And also that you beat up on the libs because of their feelings about the troops and the war. Seems like you lash out indiscriminately on this board without really knowing what most folks believe.
And you are deceitful in saying I saw someone on the conservative board being wished to die and burn in hell once. ACtually I wrote the post you refer to and that is NOT what I wrote. Do you recall the game folks play at parties where a story is whispered in the ear of one person after another and then the story is read as it started out and then read as it ended up? And then everyone marvels over how much it changed? Well, that's what has happened here. So you are lying when you provide a quote of that post as the truth.
I did not hear this but it was probably said
in reference to global warming, not Bush, causing more numerous and more severe hurricanes. The water in the Gulf of Mexico is right now around 90 degrees Fahrenheit. The warmth of the water is what restrengthed the hurricane.
I hear ya.
Reading your post, I think you'd be shocked if you realized how close you came to describing MY life!
Do you hear yourself?
Talk about talking points...you were firing them like crazy yesterday. And again...the moderator has said over and over and over again anyone who wants to post on either board can. I guess at least the moderator still believes in free speech, even if liberals do not. Liberals, who profess to be tolerant, are the most INtolerant group I have ever seen (at least most of the ones who come here). You ask a question, counter a point, ask them to defend a belief, and they go nuts. At least you finally put the truth into words...separate. I guess that is what liberals want. Well, my friend, I have news for you. This is America. COnservatives have just as much right to be here as liberals. If you are firm in your beliefs, you should have no problem debating. There is 1 who posts here who still believes that conservatives have the same rights liberals do, and is able to look past idealistic rhetoric to get to the real truth of things. Extremely refreshing. As to bothered...you do not bother me at all. You have every right to say what you want to say....but you should not expect it to go unchallenged.
That is another thing I do not understand about liberals...and why live and let live rings hollow. What you really mean is....we live over here on this board and we let you live over there on that board and don't you DARE to come over to this board because we don't want you to live over here.
That is the definition of intolerant...segregation.
I hear ya, DW....
but it does seem like the Republicans recognize those in their midst who claim to be Republican but their actions do not follow...and they call them out on it. RINOs. Obviously there are those on the liberal side as well. Makes sense there would be. It is just that I have never seen them separate themselves before...especially to the extent of a couple of posters who answered my question a couple of weeks ago. Very interesting. And actually very encouraging.
I hear what you are saying....
and I agree it would be difficult. You are right; the statistics I find say that 40% of the "convenience abortions" are not the first or even the second abortion for the woman. That being the case, I am not content to say because it would be hard to sort out, just go ahead and kill'em all anyway. So I will continue to vote for a man who will at least take a stab at trying to fix it.
And so myself and others with agree to disagree...and some of us will agree, at least, that abortion is wrong but fixing it won't be easy...
God bless!
Not that you want to hear from me, but...
actually I did watch it. From a completely objective viewpoint, just looking at the performance and content per se, I agree with you. Hillary, I thought, was much stronger and did not let the others run over her like before. Again, objectively, I think Obama talked too much, meaning, took forever to get to his point and the way he delivers things might go over the heads of some people, or they stop listening waiting for the point. Biden was strong, and he looks presidential, and to some people that is really important. I know Hillary is not a tall person, and I know Obama is, but it was really striking in a couple of the shots...she really had the head back so she could look up at him and he had the head down ya-yaing at her. Just an observation. But I think she handled herself well. As much flak as Hillary has gotten over the driver's licenses to illegals thing, I thought the way she answered the question if she was for it, was priceless...after Obama went on and on, she just said "No." I think that was a bit of a coup DE grace for her, as an objective "observer." lol
How sad to hear that....
This country was founded on a belief of being "free", allowing freedom from government involvement and corruption. Obama has stated he wants bigger government, more government to tell you how to act/feel/breath, all at your expense. Now, where is the freedom in that? Taxation, taxation, taxation.....it is sad to hear citizens of the US say they would rather be a socialist than fascist, when what one should be saying is I don't want government in my life at all...period!!!
No, what I am saying is if I want to hear anything about the ...
conservative side of things along with the liberal/Democrat side of things, Fox is the only alternative. Democrats/liberals are not the only people who tell the "Truth." So far I have not caught Fox in an outright lie, and they chose NOT to run that ad about Obama and Ayers that the guy in Texas made up, which I thought was fair, and if they were indeed as they are described here they would be running it every hour. Geez.
i hear ya
The unique thing about conservatives is that they form their own opinions. Savage came out against Palin, and yesterday he was still against her. I don't need anyone to decide or think for me. But his stories are so worth the time. This is one area where he's completely different from all of them. That's why he wrote this current book and did every bit of it himself. No editing, no publisher, just his words. Gotta respect that, I say. His dog (Teddy) has become a big star, too, and has his own section on his w/s.
Would rather hear a few ers and uhs
a polished, poised parrot delivering scripted speech from mysterious authors. It may be shocking to some, but we like our leaders to show us a glimpse of original thought and inspired vision all on their own from time to time.
I hear ya.......... sm
you want to see a stagnated salary? Just look at my paycheck!!
The thing that really fries my taters is that we are the ones who will ultimately pay for these raises.
Hear, Hear!
thx
I hear ya...lol (nm)
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you can HEAR me?
rapidly progressing . . .
Do you hear yourself?
Adultry is okay as long as you say it out loud. Now dictatorship is okay as long as the candidate has the "decency" to say it out loud? Democrats are not socialists, no matter how persistently you try to assert that claim. Scare tactics are boring and downright insulting in view of the crisis the country now finds itself in. These pathetic distractions will end up costing your party any chance it may have once had of winning this race. Enjoy your descent and your ultimate defeat. Your party has earned it....10 times over.
What exactly do you want to hear.....
For the sake of pretending you didn't just read how VP nominee Biden can't stand his own presidential running mate, we'll do this again.
Now, that being said why do you automatically assume I am pushing the McCain ticket?
I am pointing out why Obama is a joke. If a man's character cannot be upheld, why in the heck would you want him running your country. There are numerous FACTS, yes, FACTS where this man is associated with horrible people, questionable organizations, and now he and Biden are great friends, all this without question. I'm sorry to say at this point our economy won't be worth crap in a pot if we have a corrupt man heading up this country. He and McCain can't get anything straight on the economics issue because it is a mess and they know it. There is no one thing that will make this all turnaround. They cannot make any promises without those monies coming from somewhere to pay for all those monies.
McCain has said he wants to cut taxes.....haven't heard that with Obama and no way we will. Socialists do not do that. Everything about his history screams socialist and that should be very frightening to everyone. There is nothing about McCain's history that scream socialist views and you cannot tie him in with terrorists, no matter how hard you try. So there are my choices, socialist or capitalist, very questionable associations or not.
McCain said he wanted to create an alternative system for paying income taxes and double the income tax exemption for dependents. Have an income tax system that offers two basic rates and a generous standard deduction. McCain would let Americans choose between the new system and the present one.
This is what he said and sounds better than anything I've heard from Obama.
"Americans do not resent paying their rightful share of taxes -- what they do resent is being subjected to thousands of pages of needless and often irrational rules and demands" from the Internal Revenue Service, he said. "We are going to create a new and simpler tax system -- and give the American people a choice."
McCain said he also would like eventually to phase out the alternative minimum tax, and says this will save more than 25 million middle-class families more than 2,000 dollars every year.
McCain said he plans to overhaul the tax code, close costly, unfair corporate loopholes and veto every bill containing earmarks "until the Congress stops sending bills with earmarks because lawmakers always use earmarks -- spending initiatives attached to unrelated bills -- to fund pet projects and curry favor with constituents and donors.
He wants to enact a one-year pause in discretionary spending and have the governmentw investigate each department's and agency's budget. Military spending and veterans benefits would be exempt.
McCain said he would use the money saved from these proposals to ease the burden on employers by lowering the business income tax from 35 percent to 25 percent. He said, "As it is, we have the second-highest tax on business in the industrialized world. High tax rates are driving many businesses and jobs overseas -- and, of course, our foreign competitors wouldn't mind if we kept it that way," he said.
Not all, but most from what I hear.
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You say what you say. I hear what I hear. Must have been
pouring out of the red camp hate macine for weeks on end, so much so that it is all becoming just one big slur blur. Did you see the Johnstown PA McCain rally clip? How about republicans who hang Obama in effigy in front of their house by tying a noose around a Halloween ghost wearing an Obama T-shirt and let him swing from a tree branch for all those world, including their own children, to see? Yeah. Not a racist amoungst you.
i hear ya
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I hear you on that one!
Why is is that we have to vote in a new president every four years, but Congress gets to stay in for life? They'll probably have to tear Nancy Pelosi's cold dead body out of her chair, not to mention some of the other cronies that have been there forever. Term limits on Congress? An idea to think over.
If I hear that (sm)
I'm moving because I am SOOOO in a horror movie....LOL.
Because I believe NOTHING I hear
and only half of what I see. 
I am sorry to hear that. nm
Sorry to hear
that you condone racism coming from one church but one someone points it out you accuse them of racism. In all forms it needs to be eliminated.
I hear ya, GP. (sm)
Every day, same old, same old. It's disheartening. 
Actually we just don't want to hear him at all
Until he is sworn and and "legally" president.
sorry to hear that
but not too much.
I don't think the right wants to hear her either. (sm)
Check out how well Fox treated her.....ROFL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZLfLmncPEc
I am very sorry to hear.....(sm)
about your stepson. However, respectfully, I don't think that's a very good comparison. I would agree with you except for the fact that it has been proven that Bush did receive notice of an eminent threat repeatedly, which included the use of commercial airplanes. He chose to ignore those threats.
Proof of this is easy to find. It's all over the internet and in the backlog of most network sites. However, one in particular that comes to mind is below.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/flashback-biden-on-91001-warned-the-real-threat-may-come-in-the-belly-of-a-plane/
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