While I have to admit that the Republicans started this whole bail out thing...
Posted By: Zville MT on 2009-02-09
In Reply to: Leftware liberal loons hate the truth. - sm
I really thought we were going to get change with Obama. I didn't vote for him, but this isn't just a continuation of the same old mess, this is adding on to it. You can't blame all of the dems for it, either - there are a couple of repubs signing on as well. I'm pretty sure that this isn't what those who voted for Obama signed on for.
All I can tell you is be sure to write your congressman about this - if you need email addresses or such, go to Congress.org - there's a place to put in your zip code and it gives you the names of all of the reps from your area. Doing that is a much better outlet than attacking each other on this board.
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Hey...this whole thing started when YOU interrupted a conversation...
but I suppose you don't remember that...because you can't resist the knife jab. Yeah, transparent. How does your monstrous ego fit in yer little old head??
Yer right! I forgot that's another thing the republicans are
:+
Well, it would not have been necessary to bail out...
FM/FM had the Democrats running it not stolen it blind, and the "reform" bill the Dems passed that nailed the coffin shut.
Obama dogged and hounded by the media? Are you JOKING? Any interview he did was on the softball channels where he never got a real question...were you even watching? He would not go on Fox where he knew he would have to answer the tough questions until this week. Hounded by the press my eye...only to fawn over him. Sheesh...lol
do you think they should just bail out
what kind of solution do you propose?
we bail out ceo's ......
It's okay to pump billions into the auto industry and wall street but not into our own people?
So what happens when we bail them out?
See! We bail out the big guys and the money goes straight to the CEOs that ran the company into the ground, rewarding their incompetence! Oh, lets hurry and bail out the automakers too!
WASHINGTON - American International Group is paying out millions of dollars in executive bonuses to meet a Sunday deadline. But the troubled insurance giant has agreed to administration demands to restrain future payments.
The Treasury Department determined that the government did not have the legal authority to block the current payments by the company that has already received more than $170 billion in U.S. support.
AIG declared earlier this month that it had suffered a loss of $61.7 billion for the fourth quarter of last year, the largest corporate loss in history.
Here's what happens when we bail them out: sm
AIG accepted our money after losing 60 billion, and guess what? They are paying out 167 million in bonuses. Why is this allowed to happen? How can you lose that much money, accept money in bailouts, and then have the unmitigated gall to pay yourselves bonuses? This is UNACCEPTABLE!! Out and out thievery!!
Do you think our government should bail out FM/FM
Just wondered what everyone thinks about this subject. I haven't seen it discussed yet and if it has been sorry. Do you think the government should bail out these two institutions and if so, or not so, why?
I heard someone on the TV today (didn't recognize the name but he's an idependent) he asked the question, so is it going to be the people who make $30K a year the ones who pay for this or the billionaires and trillionaires? I thought that was a good point.
Also I heard that one of the guys in charge (forget his name right now) made over $90 million and he isn't paying anything. I would think that if you make over $90M on this and you run it into the ground you should have to forfeit whatever you made and pay it back (but that's my own opinion).
the bail out really irks me
I think they should just let them fail and use the 700 billion or whatever it is to try and clean up the fallout from this mess. These greedy b@$st@rds need to deal with the consequences. I really don't get it. I thought you had to have mortgage insurance if you didn't have enough down. My sister has to pay for mortgage insurance, and it's highly unlikely that she is going to default on her mortgage (for one thing, she bought what she could afford). And as far a people losing their homes, well maybe they should move into homes they can afford anyway. There are nice 1-bedroom apartments in Harrisburg for $540, including utilities. Sounds good to me. grrrr....
The reason behind the bail out is
to put money back into the market. If we do nothing at all, the result is likely to be horrific. We have to do something to get money back into the market. However, bailing out these big banks and making us foot the bill is unacceptable to me. These banks and their big wigs should learn the consequences of their actions and not just walk away with a heck of a lot more money than I will ever see in my lifetime. This initial bail out is just a band-aid really. Our economy is collapsing and this bail out will slow down the collapse but there is no guarantee that it will stop it.
Right now they are debating about how to go about this bail out. Some want the bail out left like it is with us taxpayers footing the bill. Others are trying to come up with a plan to not make the burden on us and yet still get money into the market. That is why no agreement has been made.
My fear is that if we bail them out
what have they learned. They obviously won't have any consequences to their actions. We will be the ones to suffer for their greed and crimes. However, what is to become of us if we don't bail them out? I really don't know the answer to this. I am just thoroughly ticked off that our government has allowed things to get like this. Now they are sitting around crying and whining, pointing fingers, wanting special interests included in the bill, etc. I'm just so disgusted.
Is anyone actually in favor of the bail out?
I personally think that we should just let the banks fail and not save their greedy banker butts. It seems like that's the way a lot of other people feel too. I haven't heard one person say let's save their greedy banker butts. However, I'm pretty sure that congress will bail them out. If I could vote on this, I would definitely say no, no matter what consequence to myself (drop in stock, retirement and possibly the value of my home, no loan for college next semester).
Are there any average Americans out there that are for this?
bail out the world?
So we have to borrow our own money so we can bail out the world? Call your Senator.
Auto bail out s/m
Read the following report. 8-10% of total cost doesn't seem like a huge percentage for labor costs. Maybe they can't afford the big salaries and bonuses for the top dogs? About time the wealth started being redistributed. Funny I haven't heard any outrage over the outrageous salaries the top dogs in these automobile business are paid. Just whining about how much the UAW workers are paid. It's about time the working class started standing up for the working class!!!!!
Let 'em all go bankrupt. I have no doubt the idjits in Washington are way more concerned about job losses in "developing countries" than those of American citizens.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081115/ap_on_bi_ge/auto_bailout_gettelfinger
Did you see where if we bail out the automakers - see msg
There are people that are laid off and have been laid off for years that are drawing $31 an hour to just sit in a room - they play checkers, they read, they watch TV, or they sleep and stare at the walls. It is a guaranteed thing that cannot be stopped except through bankruptcy (and they may have to pay them off even then). So in effect, if we bail out the automakers, we who are struggling to make our money in this world will be paying those people to keep sitting there!!! 
How many think you should bail out illegal
what would that matter? you want to bail them out?
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I don't think we should bail out anyone's mortgage.
Anyone who took out a mortgage and signed a contract to repay the loan and needs to do so. I don't care if they are illegal aliens, legal aliens, space aliens, or United States citizens.
bail out.. Amen, sam. Disgusted with
the whole dang bunch of them, for sure. As far as this bail out goes, I think those at the top who made so many millions and apparently will just go on, should be treated the same way as Ken Lay and others of Enron fame. They should pay it back, confiscate their new homes and boats or whatever they have bought, do jail time and be forced out of their elite positions. Of course, by the time congress does an investigation they will no longer be around anyway. But I do not think they should continue to give away our jobs to nontax paying people and still fall back on the age old answer of taxing us. Even my math is better than that!
Fear is that they will still collapse even after the bail out.
Hedge funds are about to fold. Derivatives which I do not understand are a whole other ballgame - They are what made the hedge fund managers millionaires - it is like betting on stocks (as one would with football) and is somehow linked to the stock market.
This site explains it well:
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/06/derivatives-market-is-unwinding.html
What is the bank bail-out if not socialism? s/m
Maybe you'd have better luck with your employees if you gave them a raise. If you have a profit margin that allows you to give them a 25% bonus, surely a 10% raise wouldn't cause you to suffer too much.
And if we did bail out the auto industry......sm
how much is that going to cost us and where is the money going to come from?
I realize this country's economy is in the toilet at this point and people are hurting everywhere, but my question is, like I said above, where is the money going to come from (I don't believe tax increases on the wealthy are going to cover the tab) and what is going to happen when "they" call in the loans?
I think they shouldn't bail them out. They're
All those crooks in the banking, insurance/HMO industries, and most certainly Wall Street, need to be held accountable, have all of their assets seized to help pay for this, and then they should all be sent to Guantanamo Bay to rot.
445,000 per citizen is the bill for the bail outs.
And what then? The govt will own our homes and regulation will take on a whole new meaning.
This is called fascism.
Since when is a tax cut welfare? Corporate bail-outs, maybe...
corporations and plans to continue W's tax cuts for the rich in 2011. Is that welfare too? Sheesh.
And we bail out Wall St. who created this mess.....
Didja watch House of Cards? That spelled it out pretty succinctly. People were sucked into mortgages they couldn't afford, they were told they could refinance in 1-5 years and keep the mortgage payments they could afford - THEY WERE LIED TO. The bankers and Wall St. had to keep that Ponzi scheme going.......pizza delivery drivers were selling mortgages!! The more they sold, the more money they made - upwards $20,000 per month - they sucked people into refinancing to put cash in their pockets because housing values were skyrocketing.......and it all crashed down. So who did we bail out first? The banks and Wall St.............not the people who got screwed by con men. And these people were not POOR - they just got sucked into buying more house than they could afford. So, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Excellent idea. I'm also charging up my cards, so I hope you bail me out! SM
But wait. If I bail you out and you bail me out and we bail out AIG and the government bails out mortgage-skippers and China bails out the US and...somebody tell me again, where does all this money come from? It's all so confusing.
Foreign investors. China and Russia insisted on Fannie Mac bail out.
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You can't admit the war was
I am not sure I would admit that if I were you. nm.
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I believe one has to admit..
to his wrongdoing (we know how hard that is for W ) first and then repent. I do not see W doing either of those things. The only thing he can pull out of his hat to say he would do differently is use different language, like bring 'em on, dead or alive. That's it !!!!! Until he recognizes, owns up to and asks for forgiveness I don't think he'll get it. You do have to go and sin no more.
They will not admit anything except
IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!
BUT, they will NEVER admit that but will just
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yes and I bet if they would admit it, sm
many of those who voted for him would like to see him out of the White House now!
You have to admit...
that even if you don't like what they're saying, they are making people think about what the government is doing these days. I wish Beck had been around when Bush was in office - maybe some of the anger against congress would have shown up a little sooner.
You have to admit...
that even if you don't like what they're saying, they are making people think about what the government is doing these days. I wish Beck had been around when Bush was in office - maybe some of the anger against congress would have shown up a little sooner.
I will admit that there are
so-called Christians who use their religion to try and control the lives of others while they do as they please. These people definitely give others a bad name. However, don't group all of us into that. There are truly some wonderful Christians who do walk the walk and talk the talk. So please be respectful. You don't like to be stereotyped anymore than we do.
I will admit that there are some
nuts as evident by the man who shot Tiller.....but not anti-abortion people are nuts. Excuse us for caring about the life of a child that could survive outside of the womb but isn't given the chance. Once again, you liberals are more concerned about the treatment of terrorists than the innocent lives of babies and yet you have the balls to say we are nuts. Give me a break.
At least have the cajones to admit when you do something.
You posted the article above as a racial post and you shot the finger. We all know it. Someone might think you are lying.
at least you admit it was dirt
....and you obviously are not able to follow simple rules of courtesy and good manners in addition to the rules of this board. It seems your need to deride, disdain, mock and make fun of the liberal posters on a liberal board is something that you cannot control. You might wish to ponder at some point why you feel the compelling need for cruelty. It does not win us over, but rather is a very poor advertisement for your far right-wing beliefs.
As far as who I am, I am the same as every other poster - anonymous with a made-up moniker. It is NOT a good idea to post our real names on a public forum and I would advise you or anyone else against it, unless you have an extremely common name.
I am intolerant. I admit it.
I am intolerant of a great many things. I am most intolerant of lip service. My intolerance comes from living a life of seeing human life belittled, stepped on, and twisted by those who feel superior to others and that behavior being justified because of their beliefs, and most horrendously, in the name of their god. Yes, I do call myself a pagan now. God and I parted ways a long time ago.
I apologize to you. It seems that you have chosen a noble cause. I, however, cannot fathom how or why one can have so much compassion for one piece of humanity or human life and not another. If the children in your eyes need help the most, then how can you possibly justify the war in Iraq, or any war for that matter, is purposeful when they are dying by the thousands? Or worse, maimed for life. I do not see much balance in that.
I am going to chalk it up to perhaps that is the nature of conservatism. Or perhaps it is a lack of empahthy?
Spin the words all you want. Your posts may be written to illustrate a point of view, but with a great deal of superciliousness. I am not the only one with this belief. Others have tried to point it out as well. Perhaps they're just better at it than I am.
I call things the way I perceive them, and I don't sugar coat it and I won't apologize for it. But for the sake of propriety, I shall resist the temptation.
well...at least you admit it. You hate....
an entire block of people you don't even know who had nothing to do with Katrina or how it was handled...simply because they are Republican.
Geez.
surprised to see Mc admit
that the US tortured prisoners. He said we won't ever torture prisoners AGAIN. He stood around and allowed that to happen -- he the man who wants all to remember his pow experience?
Even I will admit that KO is extremely
biased toward Obama. Have you see McCain in the Membrane? But I do enjoy his humor. I often wonder though, who has to pick up those papers off the floor after he throws them at the camera?
They don't want to see the truth or admit the
truth because if they did they would have to admit that Bill Clinton, outside of Jimmy Carter, was the worst president this country has ever had....and now, they are so stupidly blind that they think Obama is going to bring "change" but it will be a change that no one can stomach or live with. All I can pray for is that there will be a second American Revolution and that we the people, under the law of the Constitution, can and will form a new government, one that is not corrupt and one that has not one DEM in office!!!
I admit that I am not black.
I guess you could say I have not walked in a black person's shoes. However, don't for one second think that I have never felt racism. I've seen the glares and dirty looks aimed in my direction by black people. I've given smiles to strangers who instead of smiling back would glare hatefully at me. I've said, "I have a nice day," to people who have either given me a dirty look or turned their back to me.
I was at a hospital visiting my dying father when I left with my son to get something to eat. My son is very young and has a developmental delay. A black mother and her daughter walked onto the elevator with us. My son, not knowing any better, looked at the little girl and commented that she was brown. Without even thinking I said, "Yes she is. Isn't she beautiful!" The mother gave me the dirtiest look.
If he screws up - I will admit it, but ....
I don't see that he did anything wrong. Traditionally, maybe the meetings are kept secret - but nowhere is that a written rule. And Obama did not go to the press and repeat his conversations, an aide anonymously released the information.
In my opinion, he was discussing things with his advisors and someone overstepped their boundaries releasing information. Maybe that person should be fired because they are not going to be able to be trusted?
However, I for one like to know what is going on in my country and the fact that no sensitive information was released makes it okay with me.
Obama is not perfect - he even said himself that he knew he would make mistakes. He is a HUMAN. I expect people to mess up. But remember also, he ran on a platform of change and maybe being honest and open with the American public is how he is going to begin that change.
I admit I am surprised at your age.
I think the majority of the older people realize what is coming. "Conspiracy" isn't exactly such a bad word for it.
Can you really not admit that there is a bias?
If this guy had done this same piece but insert Obama's name instead of Palin's, not one of the liberals would have had anything to say about it except praise. Yet when it's Palin, you all want to talk about "oh she's whining, she needs to grow up, etc". What needs to happen is that the media needs to get their lips off of Obama's bum.
I really can't wait until the day the media starts picking him to pieces. And it will come. One thing about affairs, eventually the fire burns out. The media will need something new and hot eventually.
you freely admit that you don't
know why she left. Your "Sue Ann" worship is more sickening than the admiration of Obama who has actual character attributes and accomplishments to admire - not just some little mind that agrees with yours. Grow up.
I will admit that I am afraid, because
and what he states is no different than how the Arab leaders make their speeches.
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