Whether you agree or disagree with this pick...
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: It's official. Rahm Emanuel star of democratic party - Wow. Scary guy.
Maybe we should all check the facts before judging this guy. Actions speak much louder than words. Below are 2 sites, The first is a list of bills he sponsored. The other is his voting record.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400120&tab=bills
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=33530
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And I still disagree. We shall agree to disagree. But....
welome to the board! A new voice is welcome, whichever side the voice decides to fall. :)
We will have 2 agree 2 disagree on this one.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing just like Sheehan knew when she wore that shirt 2 to the White House. I say, have the power of your convinctions and be a stand up person. I don't have a problem with making a statement, just obey the rules.
Again we agree to disagree...
I do not believe there is any valid motive to show the footage, blacked out or not. I think it is tasteless. I believe I know how snipers operate without having CNN air a wonderful propaganda film for jihadists...see, this is how we kill Americans, thank you so much CNN. I am sure there were high 5's in Al Qaeda camps all over the world. They get most of their information from CNN. CNN is their friend. If you don't believe that, look at some of the early footage and how CNN could get in places where no one else could and the big exec knew Uday Hussein on a first-name basis. The same CNN who knew for years exactly what Hussein was doing to his own people, but I didn't see THAT running on the 6:00 news. They stood idly by, on the pretense of keeping their reporters safe, and let the mass murder, rape rooms and various other human rights violations just keep right on keepin on. Instead of pulling their people out and telling us the truth, like you are saying they want to do now. Pardon me if I think, no matter what the faults of Fox, do not even come close to that. That alone shows while Fox may not be perfect, they certainly have higher values than CNN. As to sponsors of the programming about OJ, find out, and write to them. If you believe strongly what Fox is doing is wrong (I have already voiced my displeasure and have encouraged friends to do so), I encourage you to find out who the sponsors are, or at the very least, bombard Fox with emails. It is your right and you should exercise it. I certainly did with what CNN did, and I did bombard them with emails, not that they give a hoot what a conservative thinks, but I did it anyway. If enough people complain, it could have an effect.
Again we agree to disagree...
I do not think the Democrats are that much different today than they were during Civil War days, during the 60s, or today. In my opinion, Democrats still seek, as I said, to keep people enslaved by tying them to the government for survival instead of instead developing programs to make people productive citizens. So we will agree to disagree on that.
Johnson may have signed the bill, but go to the Congressional Archives and look at the votes. Democrats fought it tooth and nail. Had Republicans not voted it in, it would not have been there for him to sign. I would not say he carried anything into fruition, other than signing the bill.
Teddy said the same thing, that the parties are not what they once were. But the basic fiber is the same...one conservative...Lincoln...slaveowners and pro-slave...Democrats. In the 60s...Republicans for...Democrats against. Same way with the womens' vote. Most of the women who took to the streets to get women the vote ....were NOT Democrats. They were Republicans. It is there for anyone to look up. It is just that you could not convince half the country today that any of those milestones were brought about by Republicans...and they were. Are you saying that since the 60s the Democrats have suddenly transformed into the warm and fuzzy party of the people? Yep, that is their message...but in my view a lie. They used to be open about what they were about...now it is hidden. But to me, the agenda is the same. Again we agree to disagree.
Okay, agree to disagree and all that...
how about the question...is war ever justified? You never have weighed in on that one though I have asked numerous times.
As I stated, you did the graphic description of maimed and mangled war dead. I simply added that babies sliced and diced amount to the same thing. And it is way past the embryonic sac stage when it is aborted and I believe anyone who has looked at the stages of a baby's growth in utero knows that.
You don't have to keep justifying what you believe to me. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Just like I won't change your mind, you won't change mine.
Again...agree to disagree. I am sure, if the child were able to choose, it would not choose to be sliced and diced and left alone to mature and be born and live like it was supposed to had someone not "chosen" to end its chance to do that. But, you want to give that choice to someone else. I don't think that is right. Any more than it would be my right to kill someone who was inconvenient, annoyed me, or was too much trouble.
Why do you not support a woman's right to choose to kill the baby if the baby is too much to handle when it is a day old? Two days old? A week? A month? It certainly cannot live on its own without a lot of care for a whole lot longer than that. Somehow taking one breath makes all the difference. Yep. Uh huh. Whatever.
Human embryo, plants, animals?? Now I've heard it all.
Then we will agree to disagree....
if you have to kill it to keep it from being born....my friend, it is viable. You started as an "embryonic sac." Without intervention...here you are. Tim Tebow who just won the Heisman trophy...had his mother decided to dispose of him when he was an "embyronic sac" (she chose not to) that young man would exist today. There are consequences of every action. Every abortion prevents a life from continuing to maturity and being born. There is really no other way to look at that, that I can see. And to me, that is the most precious, most innocent of all human life. And I feel that someone should speak for them. You do not have to, you do not consider them "alive" until...well, I don't know when you consider them "alive." There are plenty in the world to speak against war, and rightly they should if that is what they believe. I just don't understand why someone would be so strenuously against someone speaking for the child. Because to me, from the time of conception it grows. If it grows, it is alive. That is simple biology.
So we will agree to disagree. Or just disagree.
No harm, no foul. Each of us entitled to their opinion on the matter. That is what makes America great.
Agree or disagree
If somehow the American people can put aside bias and have an open-minded discussion, then and only then will real change happen. I respect your opinion and I read what you and others say with an open mind. My problem is that neither the Democrats or Republicans have come up with anything I can support.
As for Palin, yeah, I relate to her "soccer mom" status. I was a football and cheerleader mom. My kids being only 2 years apart, there were times when my husband would go to one event and I would go to another so they all had a parent present. As a mom, I balanced family and a full-time job. There is NO WAY I could have balanced my family and the second most important job in the country. Maybe she is a superperson but I was not, although my kids will tell you I was "supermom." As for me, my job suffered before my family. Which would she chose to come in 2nd place? Think about it.
So we can agree to disagree
I fail to see her accomplisments but then that's just me and I doubt I'm alone.
I certainly think a redistribution of wealth would not be a bad thing, unless, of course, you're among the richest families in America and I certainly am not. . In the last 8 years the rich have gotten richer while the poor got poorer. Do your research. The Bush tax cuts are what made the rich richer, along with sending good jobs out of the country and allowing illegal aliens to come in and further depress wages. One of the causes of economic depression is when too much money is in the hands of too few people and that's just about where we are now. Palin aside, if McCain is elected I would bet my last dollar that we'll have a repeat of the Great Depression of the 30s. I wouldn't put any money on what will happen if Obama is elected but I expect the economic situation won't be any better. With Bush's popularity being so low, I can't imagine why anyone would want to elect his cronie to follow him but then people have different opinions and that's what makes horse races (or political races) I guess.
agree to disagree
sam, you have to just let it go. We will never change the minds of people so hard hearted. Anyone who votes for someone who will allow or encourage such laws will have the blood of innocent lives on their hands.
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I agree and disagree.....
You're right, most of the people on this board have no problem with abortion BUT abortions can be stopped; we do it all the time in my town. We have an organization that DOES NOT promote abortions but helps pregnant women with their pregnancy so they don't feel the need to abort their child in the first place. We give counseling, free medical care, free delivery by doctors here in this town, clothing for the mother, clothing for the newborn with supplies and necessities to keep her knowing she is loved and cared for; which is why so many end up with abortions; they feel no one cares and they feel scared and worried. We try to help take those worries from them and let them know they are not alone and there will be people to help them through their pregnancy and AFTER the baby is born as well.
So, yes, you can stop abortions. Very few of the girls/women who come in want an abortion; they just feel it's the only answer because of their present situations. We NEVER help with abortions in any way. If they decide they will have an abortion, they are on their own there but we do offer ongoing counseling for them.
I agree - and disagree. (sm)
This government has gone stark raving mad. The spending is insane. The villagers-with-torches mentality regarding the AIG bonuses is insane. The agenda Obama is pushing is insane.
Where I disaagree is that the country is a "laughing stock" (except, of course, the horse laughs that Obama got from Putin with his offer to dismantle the missile shield, and from Iran with his "speech to the people").
No, the world isn't laughing at the U.S. at all. In fact, the world is becoming concerned about the chaos in Washington, the insane spending (the Fed just created $1 trillion "out of thin air", as one writer put it, but it won't come from thin air - it will come from you, me, our children, and our grandchildren), and the likelihood that Washington will be the spark for worldwide superinflation.
Here's a very thoughtful piece that comes from Canada, for instance - and I could list other sources as well. Read it and weep: http://tinyurl.com/cs5qro
Then see my post above, "Find a Tax-Day Tea Party Near You", and DO IT. I've never participated in any sort of public demonstration of any kind (except on the police lines, of course) - but the time has come. We can speak now or forever hold our peace. As you say, God help us all!
We can agree to disagree
If you watch the old B/W movies, most all of the actors were smoking. Tobacco has been around a long time. My great-great-grandmother I'm told smoked a pipe. Danged if it didn't kill her at the age of 80 something. My grandmother dipped snuff, lived to be 86. My dad smoked like a freight train and died at 69 unrelated to tobacco. It's the personal freedom that concerns me. Tax won't make me quit and neither will government regulation. Used to be smokers and nonsmokers got along just fine and dandy in the same room, that only changed when the special interest goups decided they didn't want anyone smoking.
As for the junk that's stuck in our food, you're on to something but I don't expect the government to do anything about that until enough of the special interest groups (i.e. the antismoker group) raises enough ruckus. Not to mention the air we breathe. I'm allergic to car exhaust fumes as well as jet fumes. You don't hear anything about that. Okay, I'd be happy to go back to horse and buggies myself but I have the time, realize not everyone has that luxury, so I take my Benadryl and suffer. IMHO there are lots of things to worry about other than whether people smoke or wear seat belts. I don't wear those things either and they can ticket me all they want, I still won't do it.
disagree or agree, americans right
AG can post here anytime. Who are you to say she cant? Are you afraid of a debate? Maybe you will be proved wrong or will it put a seed in your brain to investigate? That is all I ask. Let conservatives post here, please do..and put a seed out there so we can investigate and maybe we can all come to a consensus that we are Americans first and foremost..How can we stop distrust around the world if we as Americans cannot stop it between us? Sure many conservative posts get my blood boiling but so what. I read them, get boiled and then laugh and either post a disagreement or an agreement.
Sorry, but I'll just have to agree to disagree with you...sm
I'm entitled to my own opinion and feelings and I'm NOT looking to make an issue out of a nonissue. I'm not the only one in America who thinks this is *glaringly* wrong, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation, so you can lay off of chastising me.
I'm smart enough to know that people will think and believe differently and while you can praise these remarks because you *know* everyone is just taking this out of context I don't think so. I think people slip the lip, and especially with his tone, and say what they mean every once and a while. I think Bennett was caught with his pants down.
Yeah, Alan Coombs is intelligent, but also a softy. He debates to politely with people who would just as soon bite his head off. That's what I don't like about him, and this is not just limited to his debate with Bennett.
With people throwing ideas like abortion of a race to reduce crime, I want to hear the the Bill Mahers type to tell them as plain as they can speak, take that trash and shove it.
This is the last post I will respond to about this because there is no sense in us going back and forth about this. I respect your opinion that this man has a right to say what he wants because he was just throwing ideas around and hypothetically speaking, but I don't agree and nothing you can say will make me be OK with it. Sorry.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree
because I've seen many a lies from the Obama campaign including Joe Biden who I believe was found to say 13 or more things during the VP debate that were not true.
As for the way Sarah talks during her speeches.....why should she hide who she is when she gives a speech. For some of us....it is nice to hear someone up there who talks like we do in every day life, who is successful, and has started from the bottom up and has no problem standing up to her political party....which is something I wish more politicians on both sides would do. I'm tired of this political party crap and politicians following what that party wants.
That is another thing that appeals to me about McCain/Palin. I feel they will stand up to their party if needs be. Obama and Biden, however, have not shown me that.
Okay, I'll agree to disagree n/m
Then we will agree to disagree. And a controlled interview...
is not like meeting with a hostile head of state. And I don't think an "understanding" of Islamic principles is going to help talk to the prime minister of Israel OR Ahmadinejad. That is just my opinion.
I beg to differ about Joe Biden's comfort zone...he is extremely comfortable in DC. He is an established member of DC politics. Unless you have not been paying attention in past years, you know this. He is a toe-the-line Democrat. When he actually said in public what he said about McCain, I thought well, maybe he isn't as partisan as I thought. Buzz, wrong thought. I was right. He is. He came from a blue collar background...so did Obama, so did his wife. But they are far, far removed from that now. And they trot it out when they feel they need to "connect" to the blue collar out here among us. Maybe some buy into that, and that is fine. But some do not, and that is also fine.
Personally, I feel Joe Biden wants to be Vice President and whoever he has to mow down in the process, fine, casualities of the political war. No blue collar people I know throw friends under the bus to promote themselves. But maybe the blue collar people I know are not like the blue collar people he comes from. Can't say.
Yes, he used to talk about partisan bickering, and he and McCain worked on a lot of issues, and if McCain felt he was right then he bucked his own party to support him. Which is why Biden said he viewed McCain as a friend and "I would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain." Notice how quickly that changed. Either you have integrity or you do not. Either you feel loyalty to a friend is more important than partisan politics or it is not. He showed me what was important to him. I was not impressed. That is my opinion of course, entitled to it, just like you are to yours. We just disagree.
All that being said, I do feel that he is much more qualified for the job than the man who is running for it. I would still be concerned, but I would not be as concerned if Biden were in the #1 seat instead of the #2 seat.
But that would not change my opinion of Joe Biden as a person. I think he lacks integrity, I know he lies, because he was either lying when he said Obama wasn't ready or he is lying now when he says he is. Either way...he lied. Same old Washington politics...sorry, I don't see much change or any hope thereof where Biden is concerned.
We will agree to disagree...I think she would wipe the floor with him.
Because he would underestimate her. Like I think many will. Time will tell.
Agree to disagree. I don't think we deserve Barack Obama...
and with his same stances on things, I wouldn't vote for him, I don't care what party he represented. It is not about party for me. It is about the stand of the man. And for me it is nobama, no way, no how...no matter what ticket he is running on.
Okie dokie. We agree to disagree. Someone should speak for the babies...
and I would be one of those. Because I think they deserve a shot at life just like you do. You don't. Your prerogative.
Who to pick?
I truly do not like either McCain or Obama. I don't want to NOT vote. I don't want to stay in the same course we are in.....which counts McCain out. But I don't want to vote for change just for the sake of change. If it were a change I could believe in and have faith....okay....but I don't and so that counts Obama out. So now what? 
VP pick
I don't know anything about her really, but I was just telling my husband last night that the only way McCain is going to be able to keep this race competitive at all would be to pick a pro-life woman. I didn't think he would really and my husband couldn't think of any (and he's a repub). As a Democrat I of course would have loved it if McCain would have picked Lieberman to demoralize the base or Huckabee to demoralize the independents, but ah well. It's a smart pick, I have to say.
I'd pick you to mod if I had the say
just to prove that it wouldn't matter who was moderating to me. I'm confident in my party, how 'bout you?
Take your pick from above.........
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where is my pick my up?
I pay and pay and I never get any pick me up. Since you would much rather pay for it, go ahead, pay for it. Don't ask me to pay, though, because I would much rather not. I think I paid enuff all ready.
Don't we pick and choose
Don't we pick which Bible adages we follow? The Bible also says turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor as thyself, do unto others....yet many Christians in various venues (including these boards) chide others for being advocates of peace, tolerance and love for all citizens of the world.
The Bible has contradictions, it was written by men, after all and seems incredibly subject to interpretation.
He should pick Hillary
They are two peas in a pod. It was evidenced by his speech tonight he thinks she such a great person. I could just feel the love he has for her. Seriously...they voted alike on almost everything. I think his speach tonight was more of him trying to pull her votes away from Barack to vote for him.
that should be "who" is your pick... duh (nm)
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Well said. If we could only pick and choose who to help..
someone as yourself would be on top of my list!
You know, at this point he could pick
Jesus Christ to be in his cabinet and you people would find some something to b**ch about that, too. Good grief!!
You can't pick and choose WHEN you
want majority rule to count. The people have spoken, they don't want it, try again next time.
He wasn't my first pick....(sm)
However, we are now at a point where time is the word of the day. Here's my problem with the situation. If he's so terrible, why are they voting him in? That applies to dems and pubs, as both sides have expressed concern. So, we know they're going to vote him in, so what's the point in all the delays? I think at this point it's just political grandstanding by the pubs. They did the same thing with Hillary. The guy that held that one up actually voted for her, and said he was going to vote for her, but still delayed the process.
For that matter, check out the attorney general position. What's the problem with Holder? On this one the pubs want to *question* him more about torture. Exactly what do the pubs want to hear? Maybe *torture is wrong, but we won't prosecute?* More pollitical grandstanding.
May we pick which finger??
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I'll pick one...LOL...(sm)
You said: "What about the voters of CA voting against gay marriage and now it's supposedly going to the Supreme Court? That's ridiculous. Since when is the Supreme Court allowed to overturn the voter's wishes? "
My question to you would be when was the last time it was okay for individual rights to be taken away with a popular vote? Individual rights are guaranteed by the constitution (which discourages discrimination), not subject to the vote of the day. That is why it needs to go to the supreme court. Do you think it would be okay to all of the sudden pop up and have a vote in 2009 on whether or not women can vote when we already have that right? On top of that, the state supreme court has now ruled that prop 8 stands, so at this point LGBTs cannot get married. However, (and here comes the double standard), LGBTs who are already married can stay married? What kind of reasoning is that? As far as I'm concerned, this is a textbook case of discrimination.
a pick-me-up for Congress???
you're kidding right?? Pick them up from what? all the hard work they have been doing finding new ways to spend our money??
It isn't fair to pick out a few bad apples...
...and characterize a whole group based on them. And you're also right about Conservatives (loosely put) not always agreeing with one another, especially these days. Seems dissent among the ranks is breaking wide open.
But regardless of degree of badness of the apples in general - any group as a whole who supports Bush remains suspect as a whole because there is simply no reason left for an intelligent person to do so. Most who still do, do so because they aren't aware of the facts and aren't very good judges of character. Just my opinion, but I stand by it, and see more proof of it every day.
No, but I do hear him saying "don't pick
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Okay Republicans, you is YOUR pick for McCain VP?
I'm not looking to start either a we-love-McCain or we-hate-McCain thread (same for Obama), just curious to hear from the Republicans here who they would like to see McCain pick. It sounds like he may announce Friday.
Dems are also ecstatic over this pick.
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No. It was sexist of him to pick a token fm
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anyone else insulted over the Palin pick?
As an American woman I am insulted over the cynical pick of Sarah Palin as the Republican VP. She has a vaginia and everything I believe is supposed to suddenly escape my female pee sized brain?! I am suppose to want to vote Republican because they pick a woman? This proves the Republicans are insane.
Sarah Palin is against abortion and does not believe in birth control.
Sarah does not believe in evolution and thinks all schools should teach creationism.
She doesn't have an opinion on the Iraq war.
She is a pro gun person.
She doesn't believe in global warming.
She oppose gay marriage.
She is against putting polar bears on the endangered species list.
She is an advocate strongly for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Her husband works for BP (British Petroleum) and she pushed for another pipeline to be built in Alaska.
At the age of 45, since she does not believe in birth control, had another baby and he has down syndrome. This seems to me to be pretty poor judgement on her part.
She says she has family values, she is a Governor and her husband works on the North Shore full time, who raises the Palin kids?
Palin has her sisters ex husband fired from the Alaska State Patrol.
Can anyone say abuse of power?
Palin was a Mayor of a 9,000 person town and has been Governor for only 20 months.
She voted for pat Buchanan over George Bush in 2000. If you think Bush is bad Buchanan is even worse.
She stated on 7/30/2008 she does not know what the VP does every day.
Gos is named her kids Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig.
The major newspapers in Alaska do not think she should be the VP pick.
Her mother-in-law said she is voting for Obama.
So America, is this this a responsible pick from a 72 year old man who has had repeated bouts of cancer? Do you want Palin running our country? Does being a lucky beauty queen now give people the credentials to be the VP?
Look....if liberals can pick and choose...
statements of what someone said once and once they say now...so can conservatives. You can't have it both ways.
Yep, as long as none of us pick up a phone or
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Kissinger seems to think she's a good pick (sm)
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-11-16-voa17.cfm
we pick up new accounts all the time...
like I said, the cpl pay is low comparatively, but I do alright. By the way, I certainly didn't mean to offend you!
Are we going to pick on his toileting habits next?
How petty.
Take your pick--World Net Daily or
Sad, just sad.
Excuse me but what do you mean by pick and choose?
Obama has NO right to 'pick and choose.' He cannot interfere in Iran's sovereignty and internal affairs only with the justification that he supports and defends democracy. I wished he could! But he cannot, this would have been a grave mistake, a bigger mistake than Iraq.
The Iranian government's reaction would have been to tell Obama 'Mind your own business.'
You would pick a fight with anyone, wouldnt you?
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That's not necessarily true. You've been able to pick up the slack sm
for them very nicely if I may say so myself.
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