Where's my dead horse beating stick???
Posted By: Suzie on 2006-12-23
In Reply to: Question regarding Iraq - whorn
The US went to war with Iraq for a number of reasons, including concern over Saddam's failure to account for WMDs, which put him in violation of the treaty that ended Gulf War I, and violation of several UN resolutions - I can never remember if it was 14 or 17.
If you really want an answer to this question, a search for the resolution permitting use of force in Iraq should be relatively easy. I'm not sure it's worthwhile, though, since the matter is essentially moot, since we are there now.
My question to you: There is a lot of discussion lately about possibly increasing troop levels in Iraq to try to bring the security situation under control. What are your thoughts on that? Do you support it? Would you support it if you could be persuaded that there was a reasonable possibility of success?
Personally, I'm a bit ambivalent. I don't have a problem supporting more troops, but I think it's as much a PC problem as a troop number problem in Iraq. In other words, I don't think US forces can do much to bring security to Iraq if they are forced to always act in the most P.C. manner possible so as not to risk offending any single faction or, heaven forbid, creating negative spin in the press.
I certainly think we could be effective there in securing the country, but only if we realize that we might have to leave a heavy footprint in Iraq in order to accomplish that goal. For example, I think we should have taken out al Sadr, even if it meant leveling significant portions of Sadr City, when he first became a major underming influence to the new Iraqi government. Some may think that makes me a flag-waving member of the Death Squad, but I have to wonder how many lives could have been spared in the long run had we stamped al Sadr out then, when we had a good tactical opportunity and could have done so fairly easily.
If we're going to send our troops over there in harm's way to fight for the security of Iraq, the dream of democracy, and the creation of a competing vision for the future of the Middle East, then we must let them fight to win.
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He's beating a dead horse.
Even Bush finally came clean and said there were none. That's when the *reason* for the war changed from WMDs to freeing the Iraqis (while ignoring bin Laden in Afghanistan).
I find it very, VERY interesting that his sudden *find* came less than 24 hours after PBS aired a very revealing show (*The Dark Side*) about the Iraq war, Bush, Tenet, Rumsfeld and Cheney, with the majority of the people interviewed being CIA agents, who generally had more than 20 years of service with the CIA, and they said some pretty shocking (but not too surprising) things about this whole war. (If you'd like to see this show, you can view it in its entirety on line by going to http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/; I'd personally recommend it.)
When it's all said and done, though, regardless of how many facts are presented, Santorum could have declared to the world that there's evidence that Saddam had SLINGSHOTS, and some unfortunate souls on these boards would still say, *See? We told you he had WMDs.* It's really difficult to even be upset, frustrated or angry with them any more. I just mostly feel sorry for them. 
You are beating a dead horse! (nm)
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
JBB, I like your thinking, but at the risk of "beating a dead horse," .......
Buy new computers = putting money in the economy = jobs for people to build computers.
Those computers are built in Japan, China, Korea, and almost every place in the world BUT the USA.
Just like last year when we got our "stimulus check." The only economies jump started, if any, were the ones overseas when everybody bought their TV's, computers etc.
It's better off dead than dead AND rude and OBNOXIOUS.
Please respect the monitor's rules, even though you think they're stupid.
dum dum de de dum keep on beating
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Why don't you just keep beating a
dead horse? Just to keep sparks flying? Can't you come up with something worth discussing once in a while?
Actually I am beating myself up. s/m
If my dad taught me anything it was "look out in front of you and see what's comming at ya so ya don't get tripped up." Thus, in my lifetime I've been right about as many times as McCain voted with Bush. Well this time I got totally tripped up. Not because of Obama. As you said, I now think he is nothing more than a well-planned out puppet. You are right on all things you said when I look at it retrospectively. McCain could have contested the race, as I expected he would if he lost, yet he leaped out before it was hardly dark and gave his concession speech. A few days after their bitter rivalry Obama is consulting him????
I have a clear conscience because I voted the best I knew how, for what I thought MIGHT be change. I really believe that evil took over this country in 1960. The JFK assassination was never resolved to my mind.
Another thing that looks strange to me is all the righteous allegations that are causing congressmen to fall like flies...the latest being the Alaskan Senator and by the way.....WHY was Palin really put on the Republican ticket?
I know that now is seems like I'm bashing the Democrats. Let me be clear, I am bashing ALL politicians. There is only one party running our government and it becomes clear in my mind that we are ruled by Clintons/Bushs/Cheny and McCain. Obama, I think, is the perfect puppet. If I had it to do over I'd go for my original plan and do a write-in for Lou Dobbs!!! I certainly never intended to vote for more of the same!
I may have to start eating those crow feathers now!!!!!
still beating that drum huh
Not getting much traction with that.
If it is moving and a heart is beating its alive.
Your denial does not change that.
I don't have a horse
and I don't have any boots.
you could always marry a horse
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horse and pony
Hmmm........seems to me she has been decrying her innocence on this issue since it was brought up. What struck me the most during the convention when giving her speech written by Dubya's speechwriter - was the fact that she paraded her poor pregnant daughter in front of the masses - the girl looked terrified - and then they passed that tiny 4-month-old baby around like he had something big and stinky in his diaper (evident by the pained expression on Cindy McCain's face). I think they should be ashamed of themselves for USING her children like circus freaks. And.....Lord have Mercy........people are falling all over themselves for this soap opera.
high horse?
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Oh, get off your high horse.... I'm sure you
have had nothing to say when McCain and Palin are being kicked about here. Your true colors are showing!
Horse feathers! sm
"This country was not founded on Christianity or any other religion." What cave have you been living in, JTBB?
The preamble to our constitution written by our nation's founders states that we are endowed with certain inalienable rights by our CREATOR. While it does not mention God by name, obviously the founders of this nation believed in a higher being who created this world and all that is in it. Washington and Franklin and Jefferson, as well as others, may have been deists rather than Christians of a particular religion such as Baptists or Methodists, but they did believe in a supreme God who created the universe. So please stop it with "we were not founded on Christian beliefs." It really is wearing thin.
A nation that trusts in God, as our currency says we do, enjoys the benefits of the protection of a benevolent and loving God. I don't think that we should trust in God just to be seen in any particular way by other nations but rather so that we may receive blessings of God so that we may be a prosperous and moral nation, something that we are ceasing to be as we are increasingly turning our back on God.
Obama, The Trojan Horse...
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200812032845/editorial/obama-the-trojan-horse.html
Better the high horse than the low road....nm
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They just want to see us come down from our imperial high horse.
That's all.
Straight from the horse's mouth... sm
Did you not watch the video???? That is EXACTLY what Obama said. So now you are saying that Obama himself is not credible???? 
What I found even MORE ridiculous is what he said before having said "I am the change." 
You can lead a horse to water...
You can teach teenagers abstinence, but you can't make them practice it! Therefore, teaching birth control makes much more sense. If Bristol Palin had been given access to birth control, she wouldn't be in the predicament she's in.
Well, I wouldn't but that's what makes horse races. n/m
LOL I think that high horse is going to start bucking
and it's a long way to the ground.
if it were a "Dead Horse" the Supreme Court ...sm
would not be still considering it further, which they are. Perhaps that should be your first dose of reality.
meant "through" the mouth of a horse
Typo....oops.
Bridger, you put the cart before the horse. Read my
lips. DO NOT post the entire article. Post only excerpts from it with link to it.
Do you want the owners of this board in a legal battle? All it takes is someone reporting one of your posts for that to happen. I am warning you for your own good. If you don't care about the owners of this board, others of us do.
Get a grip, will ya? And, get legal.
I'll wait to hear it from the horse's mouth. sm
Though it really makes no difference to me one way or the other. I never considered him a Republican. I think he is a fiscal conservative. He said on another link he is apolitical. Should be interesting.
Heroe..like - He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road.
Bushisms
I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas, had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative eroding the important bridge between church and state.
I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children.
See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
The law I sign today directs new funds and new focus to the task of collecting vital intelligence on terrorist threats and on weapons of mass production.
http://www.wisdomquotes.com/cat_bushisms.html
Since Homeland security was a horse and pony show.....
there was really little Bush could do. But, he did promise to catch Bin Laden but never did - he invaded Iraq instead. I think Katrina gives a birdseye view on how a catastrophe would be handled by Bush. He screwed that up AFTER 9/11. Like they say - NEVER FORGET.
Mr. Dean talks thought the mouth of a horse
Yeah, like anything he has to say is valuable. This is the guy who screamed out all those states - HEEEEE-YAWWWWWW?
Mr. Dean is a spiteful crat to the bone and did not do his job properly. He didn't stand on the side of the people, who stood with the big money people.
If he's going to call anyone a murderer he best go back to Billy boy himself with those wars he started that he had no place involving the US troops. Lots of innocent people were slaughtered because of him back then and no he did not follow the Geneva code.
To paraphrase, you can lead a horse to the facts, but you can't make it think. nm
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Yes, better stick with
your characature of Obama because it always makes sense to take something and run with it.
Have to stick up for him already...nm
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Stick around
I got a million of 'em. I'M HERE ALL WEEK, FOLKS! Be sure to tip your waitress!
Just stick it to grandma,
that there medication..she's a fakin'..we'll slash her Medicare benefits! 'Sides we can always borrow more money from China..uh,what's his name? Oh and we'll let the grandkids pay....Huh? What deficit? Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and the war? Bake sales! Doin' a heckuva job! Just keep dem hands off doze tax cuts! 'Scuse me, gotta do more speechifyin' 'bout what a good job I'm doin'. {{{smirk}}}}
Ah, the Bush way...good plan. It would be funny if it wasn't so freakin' pathetic. Heaven help us.
please stick to the issues
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Take this website and stick it
you know where. We all know PUBS are the ones who cheat. Please, what is wrong with you, really???
I will stick up for Sam, too. -not a bully.
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So I should stick myself in a room
and never go anywhere because it's everyone's right to display sex drugs and violence everywhere? Where is my right to live in a society that doesn't bombard us day and night with those lifestyles?
The least you could do is stick to the subject...(sm)
As far as how I could vote for Obama after 911. Well, probably because he won't go running all over the middle east starting illegal wars in the name of fighting his "the axis of evil." My guess is once he straightens out Bush's mess, which is a job all by itself, he'll do what this country needs him to do -- restore credibility.
Did you stick your tongue out at me too?
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I will stick with my moniker...
Liberal, Pro-Choice, Agnostic.
Nah....I think I'll stick to the ones...(sm)
who would encourage violence. Maybe Hannity -- which violent revolution would you pick was the question on his website. How about Glenn Beck? How many people have been killed because of him now? Loved the gas can circus show, BTW. And then there's Limpbog -- the defacto leader of the pub party.
because conservatives stick to the old,
boring stuff and it is the independents and liberals that breathe fresh air into life.
Can we please stick to issues
And not come here to start a fight. I see a lot of issues being talked about below, and then we have the messages put out evidently to begin a fight with the "you republicans".
I want to hear about health care issues, TARP, job loss, Iran, and other issues affecting my life. Not the rantings of lunatics who want to instigate something.
For all those who are "you republicans" there are equal who are "you democrats".
Issues people, issues.
I think he should stick to his speech writers.
I can't hardly believe something as potentially volatile was discussed amongst that staff before he let that one go! Personally, I think its nothing more than a diversion to get people thinking and talking about something other than the war in Iraq.
Enough. Stick the with political discussions..
If your posts are directed towards posters and NOT a political issue or discussion, you will be banned. We've asked nicely, we've posted it on here.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE, just stop the childish behavior of attacking people on this board.
...except for all those straight-laced, stick-up-their
@rses republican biddies. They think anyone who isn't just like them is a witch. Sometimes it feels like Salem all over again.
OK. You stick with equating O with satan and
Like I said before. Gloom and doom does not seem to be working for the camp.
Sorry, Tech - but why don't you stick up for yourself with these no-nothing harpies? nm
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Oh please, spare the drama and stick to facts.
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Nice post. Stick to the facts and away from...
the "opinion" pieces for your information. Watch the pundits and commentators for entertainment. lol.
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