What part of just stating fact escapes you?
Posted By: In the end, those calls on 2009-02-07
In Reply to: With a 37% approval rating, I daresay - MTfromLA
didn't amount to a hill of beans when it came time for your representatives to roll their sleeves up and hammer out a compromise. My statements are supportive of bipartisan initiatives (as in both parties coming to a middle ground) that move us forward from here. Whether or not I agree with the plan, which side of the fence I live on or what percentage of support for the plan is reflected in the latest polls is immaterial at this point. I keep my eyes on the prize. Those folks needed to do THEIR JOBS, get past their differences, try to come up with solutions and do what is right for the economy...or at least give it their BEST shot. Go stir somebody else's pot.
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Insinuating?? We're stating it as a fact!!!
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Like I said, principle of the constitution escapes you
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Sorry the parallel escapes you. It doesn't
And the analogy is completely on-point. Methinks thou protestest too much.
This sharing the wealth...the pub mantra that escapes no one.
"collective ownership of resources" in Alaska (straight out of the moose's mouth)....that VERY different, too?
BTW, tax cuts, tax credits, progressive tax system is VERY American and not the least bit socialist. Letting tax cuts expire and tax rates return to their previous levels is hardly a radical policy. Rich folks have ALWAYS paid higher tax rates under the progressive tax order. Until that system is replaced, there is nothing unusual at all about the proposal to adjust the rate, or the candidate who is proposing to do it.
Run and hide if you like, but don't expect to pull the wool over anybody's eyes except the choir members whose votes are already in McC's pocket. This hypocrisy will not be escaping the undecided independents whose votes can make or break the pubs bid for the White House.
It may have started with sexual escapes. It ended with Perjury to a grand jury.
So for all the Monica smokescreen, there was a crime committed by a jurist, none the less. He (Clinton) lost his law license. But no one even feels it necessary to mention that.
The fact that an article was written does not make it fact. I hope you know that. nm
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only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article. This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
Thank you for stating this.
there is a good chance Clinton is out or (which of course will happen) government will change the constitution.
Thanks for stating this. (NM)
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Stating that sin
is sin is not passing judgement. If I was judging, I would be telling people they were going to burn in hale. Anyone can repent of their sins but pointing out a sin is not a judgement. It's reiterating what God tells us.
Thank you for stating this.
This is why I am ticked off with Obama and government. He is just taking over EVERYTHING!
I was stating my opinion. sm
I was simply stating that my father has 3 purple hearts and I was a military dependent, living 6 years of my childhood in cold war Germany. I am tired of the right referring to anyone who does not support the Iraq civil war as "unpatriotic". I am a soldier's daughter, and I want our troops home, because I do support the troops.
Yes 911 was a terrible terrorist thing. What does that have to do with Iraq? Nothing. Never has, never will.
No problem....just stating
proven facts. Hoover raised taxes during a recession and it lead to the great depression. FDR spend money on goverment programs and it actually prolonged the duration of the depression. History, my friends.....history.
Just stating facts
and the fact is that McPalin's campaign money was spent on those hateful calls. Dirty, dirty politics. I am just the messenger so don't take it out on me.
Just stating facts
Obama has been caught in lies and distorting the truth. One man cannot change this country. One man did not get this country into this mess. You can't blame the President for every dang thing happening.
Do you know what Obama called Pennsylvanians? "Those white people," "bitter," "cling to their guns and religion," "they'll call me a black man."
Sound like a great, caring candidate to you?
No, was just stating that we are still paying them...
its not like they are not getting an income while they are campaigning.
The point was that he could share his own wealth if he wanted to without being forced to by the government...lead by example, before he forces the rest of us to join in whether we want to or not.
True, but GM is stating it will take
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As my post above, stating
We did not rush in. Gave Iraq plenty of time so they could move their weapons.
Stating the obvious
resemble a personal attack. You have clearly defined yourself here. All I did was to tell it like it is.
I never heard her stating that about herself.
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If you are stating that he is lying, then
Yes, I did read the whole post. You wrote I'm more concerned about **the lying**, not **I would be concerned if I found out he was lying** or something along those lines. **The lying** -- again, WHAT lying?
I was merely stating there are TWO sides....
to every story. I have not taken sides, as apparently you have. That is all I am saying. The Palestinians are not without fault either, and their present governing body are on the terror watch list. That should mean something....?
If you had stopped at stating it was from Newsmax...
and not followed that with conservative propaganda in the body of your post...obviously said in an effort to discredit whatever was in the article. I can read between the lines, as can other posters, right and left, I feel sure.
Good for you for stating your views on the war then...
I find it ultra annoying when people start calling others unpatriotic when they don't agree with the war or something else the government is doing. Isn't being passionate about what you feel is best for the country the epitome of patriotism!? I think so.
I agree. Sam is stating the facts as well (sm)
as opinions. Take them or leave them. Stop bashing others for your benefit. Sam is above that and doesn't play the bashing game. Just a strong poster with opinions that don't agree with yours. You guys are like a pack of wolves. You are really full of yourselves, aren't you? Shame on you.
This is a forum for posting opinions, observations, and finds. Leave it at that and stop the catfighting.
All I'm stating is that this election may determine
At no time did I say other countries are directly involved in our system of picking a President. (That system already sucks enough as it is. Look at the Florida fiasco a couple elections ago).
What I'm saying is, if we don't get some leaders in office that have less ego, and more people skills, who can speak AS WELL AS LISTEN, then we're doomed to continue to have the same problems, and very likely worse.
If our next leader is more into bombing than talking, then we better dust off our nuclear arsenal, 'cause we could end up having to use it. Personally, though, I'd rather see the next Prez. talking and using diplomacy, rather than bombing the s**t out of the rest of the world. What goes around does have a tendency to come around.
I haven't condemned anyone...just stating
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nope, just stating facts
and not providing backup - seems to be a common thing on this board. But, since I posted it, it must be true, and if you don't take me at my word, you are blinded by the light of your favorite (insert name here) politician.
I don't think there was any insinuation there. Just stating the facts. sm
Obama better wear a bullet proof vest all the time. I am voting for McCain, not because I like him but as a vote AGAINST Obama. I don't want a president that is not an American citizen much less one who believes in a different God than I do.
Stating our servicemen died for nothing.....
is misinterpreted. No one wants to lose one single troop. The war is senseless and our troops have to believe in what they are doing in order to survive. But, most could claim all wars are senseless. No, I did not know people were protesting our service people (the war, YES, but not our actual service members - head in the sand on that point). Ignorance, if they understood anything at all, they would understand that our troops are doing their jobs by following orders.
Horrible signs were stating
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That is the most clear-cut stating of the facts that I have ever heard. sm
Unfortunately, this could go out on national TV and the Dems and others bowing at the "Altar of Obama" will just keep on blaming Bush and the Republicans.
I for one am going to send it to as many people as I can. It may not make a difference, but it sure can't hurt.
Palin stating Africa was a country
Even after losing the election, VP candidate Sarah Palin has continued to be in the news for various reasons. Among them was the claim that Palin is so stupid that she thought Africa was a continent, not a country. She was also said to not be able to name the three NAFTA countries. The source: “Unnamed former McCain advisers.”
Makes sense, right? After all, Sarah Palin is your typical simple-minded, non-Ivy-League-educated, baby-making, hick conservative Republican, right? She was John McCain’s middle finger to the American people, right libs?
Well, turns out the whole story is false, a hoax, a scam.
Only this time, one of the guilty parties is Fox News.
Nothing silly about stating obvious facts.
Voters recognized that and acted accordingly. It takes some longer than others to catch on.
What? She has a valid question and stating facts.
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Forget the bowing, how about Obama stating
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5104350/Republicans-slam-Barack-Obama-over-American-arrogance-speech.html
WHO THE HECK DOES HE THINK HE IS? PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD?
Obama states America is changing. America showed arrogance, been dismissive and even derisive and in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious and blah, blah, blah. He just LOVES making speeches.
Canadian citizen just on the news stating how its
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The b/c issue - Stating factcheck as a reliable source
Since they are all one in the same. Factcheck is not an independent source.
McCain inside - stating his aspirations: I have always aspired to be a dictator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p94Nvs9sZSA&feature=related
You Bushies are struggling to find a new daddy. Senator Hague (sp?) was a great senator and he was a logical man who appeared to be forthright - which is how I like my politicians.
It must be terrible for you to have had the man you placed in charge to have displaced blatant dereliction of duty in his handling of terrorism, the economy, international relations. I know you credit him for "keep us safe for 8 years" but Osama bin laden speech clearly stated his aim was not to fly jets into buildings or drop dirty bombs off at bus stops - but bankrupt America by way of war. This is retaliation against America for their involvement in the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
http://mprofaca.cro.net/binladen_transcript.html
By the way, do you find it rather odd that of all the countries in the world collapsing from their involvement in the U.S. stock market and corporations, Israel is not and is, in fact, economically thriving quite well. This is after veing at war nonstop for the past 15 years. Do you find that unusual in the least? Are you even curious about this since Paulson, Bernanke, Barney Frank along with the owners of the corporations that just been bailed out (why did they bail out freddie and fannie and not Indymac??? Why Bear Stearns and AIG but not Lehman Brothers????).
I have a feeling when everything is said and done, the world will realize we have been fleeced by an elite group of very determined men, men who have thought about this for years. Bush is a Harvard bus school grad. He appears stupid and everyone laughs and thinks it is endearing. But i think he is acting - he thought Iraqi's would greet us with flowers and chocalate? His father and Cheney have both been documented as saying a civil war would break out if Saddam was removed from power and that it would destabilize the middle east.
Bush and the republican party as they stand now are corrupt and I believe that many of the democrats are as well. Special interests and corrupt America as bought them. Now, you may disagree and defend every move made in the last eight years as smart but that is just your ego talking.
Repubs would be wise to listen to both sides a little more closely and raise your expectations for your next candidate.
Bush is accountable for the mess the country is in. He is a liar, a cheater and a thief - And you can bet he makes a bee line for So. America with his loot when his term is finally up. Bush, it is stated, was actually a black sheep in his family (Jeb was supposed to be the Bush son who reached the presidency, not George who was not his father's favorite child).
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Fact is, since I'm not
etc., you wouldn't believe it - no matter how strong the evidence - so why would I supply you with more?
Fact is fact ???
The economy is growing. I don't care if it is exploding. The fact here is that more and more people are becoming more and more desperate. I think going to college is fine but what jobs are these people going to get when they get out of college. You mentioned something about trades...please, all the manufacturing jobs are gone. Small business...only a handful ever succeed. My guess is that most people wiped out of good paying jobs with benefits are supposed to go to Wal-Mart and just pretend everything is okay, and here in Florida, join the service industry. Money, the real god of our times, is what is killing a lot of people here in Florida. As an example, in my town, there are hundreds of small mobile home parks inhabited primarily by the elderly. The big money developers are coming in here, buying the parks and the people are out on the street. The owners of the park get millions of dollars and the people are usually offered a flat fee that would pay rent for about 2 years, or given 60 days to find a place to move their homes, On fixed income this, of course, cannot be done. Many of these folks lived all their lives doing the right thing, playing by all the rules. They moved to Florida, own a little bit of property and now they are expected to rent again and work again. An apartment 1 BR 1 BA that is decent would be around $1000. You do the math. Even those communities that are owned by the homeowners themselves have no say. Eminent domain comes into play and then they are really in trouble so...being elderly, forced out of your home, having Medicare screwed up beyond belief is okay because the economy is strong. I don't care about words or pie charts. I care about what I see and know to be true by looking at it with my own eyes. Just who is it benefitting from this growing economy?? Oh well, the market will straighten everything out, just wait.
Another thing is that everyone is not college material, even these days when a degree doesn't mean all that much anyway. It surely won't guarantee you a job and if you went to college after the 1970s you don't even have to be smart to get in; not that smart people are not in college, you just don't have to be anymore. You don't even have to know how to read..but that is for another day. How many middle management degreed people have lost their jobs...quite a few. Airlines, GM, drug companies, utility companies...all these places hire degreed people. That old sheepskin won't save you anymore.
You say the poor will always be with us and I believe that as well. I do not believe that it is okay to walk over the additional bodies that greed has produced and there are legion. You call it lack of motivation on the part of the poor. I call it greed.
By the way, I see that the Iraq election is mysteriously mirroring the US election, split right down the middle.
Oh, and the drilling in Alaska. Why don't they drill in Detroit and make some cars that use some other form of fuel. It just never ends.
Debacle...absolutely.
So is the fact sm
that Saddam's son-in-law said the WMDs were moved to Syria before the U.S. got involved. But that always gets overlooked. There are a lot of facts out there. Suffice it to say, people believe the set that fits their overall world view.
While I still do not buy the fact that....
the US has made "constant intrusion" in the middle east for oil (if that were the case, you would think that when it has not netted results in the 40+ years posters here say it has been happening, they could see the handwriting on the wall)...in fact, I don't believe it. The reason we started importing so much oil is that the lovely Democratic congresses so taxed the oil industry in this country that drilling became too expensive, they stopped building refineries because not only taxation but environmentalists raising all kind of cane, yada yada. Our own government has done it to us. Overtaxation is the cause of multiple problems and is the MAIN reason for outsourcing. People want the cheapest they can buy, so in order for businesses to meet that demand they have to offshore...because their own government has taxed them to death. Sad, but true.
I do agree with what you said about Obama not knowing squat about foreign affairs....you are right, he does not. And who he has advising him should scare the knickers off ALL of us.
Obama is a figurehead with big money backers and politcos behind him...a marionette with a hand up his back. When he is not giving "hope" and "change" speeches that have been written for him, when he has to think on his feet, he is not as "eloquent." That being said, it is the hand up his back and the people he surrounds himself with that concern me. THAT tells the tale.
I look at his voting record...one of the most liberal in the US...THAT is the real Barack Obama. He is trying to move to the center now as he doesn't think there are enough of the far left (like he really is) to get him elected. Like I said in the other post...beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't trust him, I don't believe him. "Hope" and "change" are buzz words. Yeah, he wants to "change" things...but to what is the question.
It was me; I said, in fact, you were the one who had the...
inside track to what Obama thinks...I believe it was because you posted "Obama thinks" and went on to say what he thought... ;)
What I said in this post was common sense...if Obama is as smart as everyone says he is, he has sat on boards with Ayers and Ayers hosted a political fundraiser for him, so I can't imagine he doesn't know what Ayers is about. It is not exactly a secret...I wasn't very old when Ayers was doing his bombing but I know he still holds the same beliefs..he has said so on numerous occasions. So if little old me knows it, I cannot imagine Barack Obama does not know it. I never hinted what Obama THINKS about Ayers, what I said was that he knows Ayers and knows that Ayers still holds anarchist views and is not a bit bit sorry for what he did in the past. It should be obvious to anyone he knows what Ayers is about. Now what he personally thinks about Ayers...that is another story entirely. I don't know. Maybe the stuff Columbia University released will shed some light. Maybe it won't. We shall see.
The fact is
The teen was raised in that family, but as a human being she made her own decisions that her mother can't always control. Just because she didn't fully coincide with her mother's platform of abstinence, she is with her pro-life stance and keeping her baby, marrying the dad.
Fact is fact whether you want to believe it or not
Your hatred for one candidate blinds you to the truth of what your candidate is all about and who supports him.
Obama's plans for America WILL turn our country into a socialist country. They will take your hard earned money to support their programs. That is not a scare tactic, that is the truth and his website even supports those facts (the website lists all his programs he supports). If you think it's fair that I have to work 60 hours a week to support my family, but when Obama gets in there I'll now have to work 80 hours a week because the extra 20 hours I get paid for is going to go the the people who benefit from me working (when they don't). That is not free enterprise, that IS most definitely socialism. What part of that don't you understand. I learned that in grammar school. You make it sound so innocent "help our fellow American's in need". That is not helping them. That is stealing from people who work pretty darn hard at their jobs, but now have to work more hours so the government can steal it from us and give it to people who are not working and who will benefit from all these programs. That is redistrubution of wealth. That is socialism. I don't know if its communism, not sure what the difference between the two are, but I do know that a lot of the people who influenced Obama when he was growing up were communists. And if I want to "help my fellow American in time of need" I will donate to the charity I want to donate to and I will donate how much I want to. Right now I work from 7:30 am to 10:30 pm just to earn enough money to live (and have maybe an extra $10 left over at the end of a couple weeks. Now when Obama gets in I'm going to have to work from maybe 6am to 12 am if not more with the extra taxes I will have to pay. That is the cold hard truth and it doesn't sound too comforting to me.
The only thing rediculous about this post was asking if Jesus was a socialist, and then giving a sermon in the post (again that place is the faith board). Socialism was not around when Jesus lived. I also think if this was happening when he was alive people would give what they could to help out others, but Jesus would not go out and tell them you have to work double time now and give to those while they do nothing.
People seem to think they know what Jesus would do but they don't. They don't do enough researching to find out what this man was about. They just repeat what they've heard their church leader spout and then try and make others feel guilty if they don't give (but then again that is for another post).
I don't think the fact that I don't like
Obama's view on united healthcare, pro-choice, tax plans and foreign policy make me ignorant. I have a different idea on where I would like this country to be and that just isn't it. Just because it's not your viewpoint does not mean that it's ignorant.
I totally understand that conservatives are not going to be able to convince liberals to take their viewpoint and vice versa because they want different things! How hard is that for people to understand?
The sad fact is
it is so possible for it to get that bad here, for another civil war to break out. Only this time, we have bigger and better guns and equipment which will kill so many more. And don't forget, the whole world is watching us, and don't think for a second that these unfriendly countries wouldn't pounce on us in a second if they saw we were at war with ourselves.
We need to be able to debate about this without resorting to name calling, fighting, death threats, cheating, blowing things out of proportion, etc. I believe this election has thrown us way back in terms of racism and segregation. From BOTH sides! I live in Georgia and you would swear we were back in the 1930s. The animosity and tension that is growing is ridiculous.
I think our biggest problem is that we have two candidates that, for the most part, have followers who are 100% FOR them or people who are 100% against them. It's not like we are choosing who we think is the better of the two. We are choosing by saying we don't want the other guy. I'm just as guilty as everyone else. So therefore, whoever wins, there will be quite a few people who still don't agree with him and will watch his every move and be ready to point out the slightest mistake. So we are in for at least four years of being torn apart. THAT isn't going to fix anything!
We have to wake up. We have to stop getting so EMOTIONAL about this election. We have to remember that half of what these POLITICIANS say, no matter how "great" we think they are or are not, half of what they say they aren't going to do. And half of what they are saying they won't do, they will.
Either way, we need to all start living within our means and working together and helping each other, not expecting government to do it for us. That's just humanity, not politics.
No...it has to do with the fact
that some of the associations he has had in his lifetime condone terrorist attacks on our country and others condone racism by spouting hate messages from the pulpit. It has nothing to do with his name or his color. It has to do with who he associates with. If you want to know a true person.....look who they hang with. Birds of a feather, my friend.
But putting all sketchy associations aside, the bottom line is that there are issues that I just don't agree with Obama on. That is why I'm not voting for him. I do not condone abortion. I want to keep my guns. I do not want to raise taxes for anyone. I don't want to give welfare checks to people who are too lazy to get an education and work. I want to stop government spending. I want smaller government. There are just so many issues where Barrack Obama and I do not see eye to eye that I really don't even have to use his race or associations as a reason to not vote for him.
Fact
It is a fact that he did not vote for it because there was already legislation in place to protect the infant in this case.
More scare tactics.
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