What? like sleep deprivation and waterboarding?
Posted By: Please. We dont cut fingers off.nm on 2009-01-20
In Reply to: So, if they do it.....(sm) - Just the big bad
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Sleep deprivation in the comfort of your own home
being hooded, bound and tied, naked, standing in the same position with lights on 24/7, being doused with ice water, insulted, harrassed, fondled and beaten for days on end....hardly the same.
Much sleep is to be lost over this...our soldiers are losing their sleep...so
if it is proven that the reason Plame was outed by our high government officials (which is a crime in and of itself) in order to expose her and her husband Joe Wilson to the media in retaliation for Wilson's findings on the WMD you should be able to tell the major difference between the two cases. But, I won't hold my breath.
If Plame was outed to the media by Scooter Libby, then it is a downright shame. How can any of the CIA coverts feel safe when the VP chief of staff is running his flap to the media leaking classified infomation?
They call "sleep deprivation" torture. Then I have
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A little waterboarding anyone?
Right wing radio jock tries to prove waterboarding isn't torture.
http://www.blueoregon.com/2009/05/trying-to-prove-waterboarding-isnt-torture-rightwing-radio-jock-tries-it-and.html
Waterboarding
I quote from your post...
'Waterboarding with medical personnel alongside to make sure no permanent harm is brought to these thugs...'
From Wikipedia...
Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[1] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[2][3] politicians, war veterans,[4][5] medical experts in the treatment of torture victims,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.[12]
what about Abu Ghaib and waterboarding......nm
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If waterboarding isn't torture...(sm)
then why did we execute Japanese war criminals for waterboarding American POWs after WWII? Maybe it's just considered torture when done to Americans? You can't have it both ways.
Waterboarding! Have you seen the movie, TAKEN?
Obama's little girls were taken or any other government offical's kids were taken, there would be no hesitation and would definitely use waterboarding.
Oh wait! Obama would rather reason? Ha, ha.
Waterboarding makes Jesus Cry
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Abu Ghraib and waterboarding are 2 completely
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Waterboarding is only a small part...(sm)
of what they have done.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0521-01.htm
torture,-if waterboarding can save thousands of
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You are kidding, right? Are you referring to the waterboarding in the prisons?
The difference is that those who are getting waterboarded in prisons do not know if they are going to be rescued or not. I also think that the 'procedure' takes longer than just 40 seconds.
Every second they have the feeling to get finally drowned. And I assume that some are really drowned when they do not give the expected answers.
And besides the interrogators are asking for 'answers' many do not have, or give answers just to get rescued.
It is different if a physician and a psychiatrist are standing by ensuring your rescue.
This thread started with waterboarding, torture or not?
Everybody is FREE to post one's opinion.
I NEVER STARTED being rude, maybe I REACTED rude.
The one who starts is the guilty one, even with insulting language. I dislike it immensely when people run out of ideas to defend their stance, the personal attacks, taken out of the blue, set in, like
'take your meds' or 'take your Xanax', or 'chill out.'
This puts them immediately into the loser position.
Or they become all of a sudden 'Grammar Nazis', because they run out of choices to prove their points, whereas these are mostly just TYPOS.
Or do you follow the Christian rule:
'If somebody slaps you on your right cheek, offer him also your left cheek.'
I NEVER understood this weird suggestion.
You got that right. I'd like to sleep
through the next few years, not because of who may win but what will happen after whoever gets in.
I sleep very well thank-you very much sm
If you read another post I said I do not wish any thing bad on this country nor do I wish anything bad on the president. But, the writing is on the wall, the man doesn't know what the heck he is doing. He has put this country out there as far as security goes. He is taking away means for this country to protect itself. It is he who is taking things lightly. I don't need to search for "crumbs" regarding his incompetence, its all right there in big boulders for you to see. I am trying to divide the country along party lines? It has been divided along party lines for decades. I sleep fine at night thank you..........except for when I worry when the next attack on this country will be because Obama does not know how to secure this country! BTW, he is only MY president because YOU voted him in. Wasn't my choice!
I agree. But put to sleep, no way. sm
I adopted a ferile kitten. They were going to drown them. Took me a long time to tame her, but she is greatest now even though she is very territorial. I have another persian cat who is no longer welcome at my local Petsmart because he bit the groomer. I guess I have what you would consider 2 attack cats.
I sleep very well at night, thank you.
I don't make near $80,000 a year but I pay my bills, insure my children, and they do not go without meals. We don't have the primo cable, we don't have the flat screen TVs, we don't drive the best cars. We don't have the high dollar video games. I have my priorities straight and I DO NOT expect tthe government to take care of my children. That is MY job. I am the parent.
As to disgusted for fund raises when kids get cancer...can you please get real? Even with insurance policies, there are huge bills left over. We all know that. Fund raisers help offset that. There is no policy in existence that pays every expense, I don't care HOW good it is. And there are hospitals all over this country...shriners, St. Jude to name a couple...and the ability to pay has nothing to do with children being treated. But they don't go looking for you; you actually have to go there for help.
Do you even really know what this bill would do or wouldn't do? Have you read it? You never answered my question. You think the government should pay the insurance for a family of 4 making $80K? WHY? You tell me why a family making $80K cannot pay for health insurance and feed their kids? If they can't, what they need is budget counseling, not freebie government insurance. As to payng huge premiums or eating....if a family of 4 making $80,000 has to choose between eating and insurance premiums...again...they need budget counseling. Families up to that level could get on SCHIP BEFORE the expansion. The reality is people did not make the hard decisions, and if they are making $80K a year with two kids and can't insure them, they have made wrong decisions. And..hellooo....unless it is a private hospital, if a child has a life-threatening illness such as cancer...they have to treat them. They cannot turn them away. And they have to accept payments "that the person can afford." We all know that too. You make it sound as if a diabetic child cannot get treatment if the government does not pay for it because his $80K parents can't take care of him. I cannot believe you made a statement like that. What parent, I ask you, making $80K a year could not/WOULD not take care of that diabetic child??? That has NOTHING to do with the government and EVERYTHING to do with the parent. Its called responsibility.
If you would do your homework and look at SCHIP as it is now and see how high up the income ladder it already goes...lower income families were covered then. Expanding it to include illegal aliens and families of 4 making $80K....not necessary.
I have nothing to look away from. If parents making $80K can look away and spend that insurance money on something other than their diabetic child....well, 'nuff said!!
You can't sleep without the last word eh?
Read through your posts on this forum - you gotta have the last word, and it's usually not a nice one. Troublemaker! 
How we sleep at night is also
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Boy, did you sleep through U.S. History?
Do you know the foundations this country was built on?
I didn't think so.
Don't lose sleep over it
Win or lose, we'll be rebuilding the Republican party. That means purging the RINOs, too. That's more than can be said for the Dems.
I need to be able to sleep at night
Leaning to the right said it and I want to put it in a separate post. I think this is one of the main reasons why people are voting for McCain.
I need to be able to sleep at night
How can they do this and sleep at night
I don't care what party someone is affiliated with. How can they do that and not think anything of it. I've got family out of work and losing homes and some going without eating some days and these politicians want money to go for pig smells, rodents, or whatever the pork product is. How can they do that and stand up there and act as though there is nothing wrong with it. When the politicians stop caring about what is happening in the economy that is the time they should stop being a politician.
So did I, guess he is a sleep-walker....
me. You know, Obama looked a little tired this morning. All those cigarettes are catching up with him. Let's see now, his mother died at what age, from what disease? Oh, and McCain's mother is 96 and still going?
The COUNTRY will be able to sleep at night? I doubt that..nm
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Bush said Obama asked to see the room where his girls would sleep -
Bush said it was obvious that Obama was going to be a family man even in office.
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